Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[TheFrog]

It does make sense that chasing points down comes from natural talent.

Natural talent should also stop you getting 12, 14 or 18 behind in the first half.

 

[mxlegend99]

Natural talent should also stop you getting 12, 14 or 18 behind in the first half.

Great defence comes from structure, discipline and trust. Being a well drilled side willing to bust their arse and put in those extra efforts.

That shit isnt natural. That's a lot of hard work.

 

[TheFrog]

We will all wait with baited breath in hope that the poor starts will be a thing of the past while the strong finishes will continue. I'm all for optimism.

 

[OldPanther]

We will all wait with baited breath in hope that the poor starts will be a thing of the past while the strong finishes will continue. I'm all for optimism.

If we start well we won't have to finish like a team who is desperate in the last 15 minutes.

 

[age.s]

Reckon tripsters closest to the money and it was discussed many times during the season. Our pack was just physically not up to explosive starts to the game, but was much fitter over longer distances. Kikau epitomises this. His defense is ordinary and gets shown up in the first half. In the second half he looks like he's playing in a different age group.

On one hand the coach the coach cant necessarily just "fix" that on a game to game basis. On the other hand he built the squad, oversaw the players physical conditioning etc. Its always on him at some level. More on Hook than Ciro too.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter as much as some think. Points are worth the same in both halves.

 

[OldPanther]

Reckon tripsters closest to the money and it was discussed many times during the season. Our pack was just physically not up to explosive starts to the game, but was much fitter over longer distances. Kikau epitomises this. His defense is ordinary and gets shown up in the first half. In the second half he looks like he's playing in a different age group.

On one hand the coach the coach cant necessarily just "fix" that on a game to game basis. On the other hand he built the squad, oversaw the players physical conditioning etc. Its always on him at some level. More on Hook than Ciro too.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter as much as some think. Points are worth the same in both halves.

Physically they look different. Really lean compared to other packs.

 

[tripster]

Reckon tripsters closest to the money and it was discussed many times during the season. Our pack was just physically not up to explosive starts to the game, but was much fitter over longer distances. Kikau epitomises this. His defense is ordinary and gets shown up in the first half. In the second half he looks like he's playing in a different age group.

On one hand the coach the coach cant necessarily just "fix" that on a game to game basis. On the other hand he built the squad, oversaw the players physical conditioning etc. Its always on him at some level. More on Hook than Ciro too.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter as much as some think. Points are worth the same in both halves.

Exactly. There is also a game plan to play to our strength. For the first 20 minutes we should just play super conservative football to minimise the risk of handing over possession and kick deep on every opportunity to try to keep the opposition away from our try line.

Then shift after about 20 minutes.

 

[Westernised Panther]

Looks like it's happening.......

Tigers set to part ways with Cleary and seal Bennett deal
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/10/04...with-ivan-cleary-and-seal-wayne-bennett-deal/

 

[Exsilium]

For those coming in late, I looked him up and apparently he has coached our side before.

We finished 15th, 10th, 4th and 11th.

We actually fired him, not even kidding. Ended up with a 44.9% winning record.

Looked up premierships, none. He did get to grand final so credit where it’s due, not with us but did make the preliminary final which was that top four finish.

Then back to 11th the next year.

I can see why we’re going all out for him.

Edit: We actually came second last in 2012

 

[TheEroticGamer]

He would have taken us to a grand final in 2014 if Shayne Hayne actually policed the ruck in the Dogs Prelim and we were robbed of contending for the premiership in 2015 because of injuries.

Now we have much better players in an arguably weaker competition.

Ivan's an awesome coach and I'm not saying this just because he's coming back. I tweeted my disappointment when he left in 2015 and always had a feeling from even the day he was let go that he would come back to Penrith eventually.

I know people would rather a multi premiership winning coach in his prime but the reality is that Ivan always makes teams perform above their ability. Imagine him doing that with our f***ing team. That's all we need to win the comp. Just a spec of competent coaching.

Personally I'm f***ing ecstatic.

 

[franklin2323]

It does make sense that chasing points down comes from natural talent. Other teams with better coaches often couldn't do it like us.

Look at Canberra... I am certain the coaching staff doesn't train them to fade after 60mins.

Yet they do it. They are a big team maybe their fitness is poor.

 

[Panfa]

Bennett and cleary both managed by the same person which will make things a lot easier.Bennett wants a long term contract although he will have to take a paycut at the tigers 3 yrs is better than 1.And im sure ivan would like to join nathan asap his hearts not in it at the tigers id say its definitely happening and could ve sorted as early as next week

 

[franklin2323]

For those coming in late, I looked him up and apparently he has coached our side before.

We finished 12th, 10th, 4th and 11th.

We actually fired him, not even kidding. Ended up with a 44.9% winning record.

Looked up premierships, none. He did get to grand final so credit where it’s due, not with us but did make the preliminary final which was that top four finish.

Then back to 11th the next year.

I can see why we’re going all out for him.

I am with you.

 

[TheFrog]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...l/news-story/73b8e659154f6656c1ab11bd9ad068fc

Telegraph reporting Ivan has signed with Panthers from 2021.

 

[OldPanther]

Look at Canberra... I am certain the coaching staff doesn't train them to fade after 60mins.

Yet they do it. They are a big team maybe their fitness is poor.

I'm guessing their fitness. Seems martie has me ignored lol.

 

[franklin2323]

I'm guessing their fitness. Seems martie has me ignored lol.

No one in our team is like that. So maybe we lose the battle early on. So do stupid stuff to change it leading to our penalties

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Lmao you can't seriously use 2012, 2013 and 2015 as a read on Ivan Cleary.

Not his fault a team filled with Clint Newton's and Luke Walsh's or a team with the worst injury toll in NRL history can't make the finals.

Dumb overly pessimistic takes doesn't make you come across as a more realistic unbiased source of information. It just makes you look stupid.

 

[TheFrog]

Not his fault a team filled with Clint Newton's and Luke Walsh's or a team with the worst injury toll in NRL history can't make the finals.

2013 missed the finals by one game, with a roster that included Moylan, the Limmo, Sauce, Mose Masoe and little else. The 8-6 loss in Newcastle it was that cost us. But we crumbled against good opposition at the business end, sort of like the Tigers this year.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

2013 missed the finals by one game, with a roster that included Moylan, the Limmo, Sauce, Mose Masoe and little else. The 8-6 loss in Newcastle it was that cost us. But we crumbled against good opposition at the business end, sort of like the Tigers this year.

Mose was awesome when in form. A lot of those guys were very green though. Moylan couldn't play at the end of the season because of Coote coming back from injury and the rules around the salary cap forced Moylan out.

Wasn't that Newcastle game the one where we conceded a 90m try off a scrum? Someone like Mullen just ran straight through the middle. Shittest try ever.

 

[TheFrog]

The Newcastle game McManus scored their only try. Must've been the Penrith game when they flogged us.

I know Moylan was stood down against the Tigers due to salary cap rules, and he also missed the last 4 games but I'm not sure whether that was due to injury.

Moylan couldn't play at the end of the season because of Coote coming back from injury and the rules around the salary cap forced Moylan out.

Edit: This forum is an excellent resource. Checked back to 2013 and you are 100% correct.