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Where will the St George Illawarra Dragons finish in 2019?

Where will the St George Illawarra Dragons finish in 2019?


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possm

Coach
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Mate I agree Widdop obviously is a better option, he would want to be, he is an international and has years experience on Dufty. I am happy for Widdop to go to FB, as he isn’t a good enough 5/8 in my opinion, and getting him to a position that might suit him more will be a welcome relief for me, away from controlling the game, which he has shown many times he hasn’t the skills to do.

However, putting the knife in Duftys back as a few do on here when the kid is still learning while also doing some brilliant things is not the way to go. Dufty will be in the 17 man squad, betchya.

I can see Dufty in the 17 man squad if:

1. He addresses his short comings this off-season. I'm sure he himself understands the need for good defence, confidently taking the high ball and positioning himself to be there when required. If explained to him properly and if he is helped by the coaching staff to address these problems, Dufty could end up being our long term fullback from 2020 on.

2. Widdop is granted an early release to got to England.
 

possm

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Despite Mary, I am one of those who have SGI winning the comp however, we need a few thing to go our way:

1. We need the fullback issues solved.
2. We need our wingers to step up and finish off the fine work that will be done by our forwards and halves.
3. We need the halves - Norman and Hunt - to gel.
4. We need Lomax in the centres.
5. We need to have a good plan B if De Belin is not available.
6. We need to have Robson in the 14 jumper.
 

Drag Queen

Bench
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Mate I agree Widdop obviously is a better option, he would want to be, he is an international and has years experience on Dufty. I am happy for Widdop to go to FB, as he isn’t a good enough 5/8 in my opinion, and getting him to a position that might suit him more will be a welcome relief for me, away from controlling the game, which he has shown many times he hasn’t the skills to do.

However, putting the knife in Duftys back as a few do on here when the kid is still learning while also doing some brilliant things is not the way to go. Dufty will be in the 17 man squad, betchya.
Hypocrite. You're the one always sticking the knife in Widdop's back.
 

ruthless dragon

Juniors
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Premiers with this squad Sims bro's the pack speaks for its self.
Norman, Widdop, Hunt and DUFTY serious challenge BUT Mary mary quite contrary??? please let the bloody garden grow!!
 

possm

Coach
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Our young and inexperienced wingers should do OK if given extra attention by the coaching staff. Pereira still needs to improve his defensive skills. Mary needs to curb Lafai's instinct to flick pass at will. If he uses this skill sparingly and focuses more on putting his winger through a hole by giving him space and early ball, Pearson will surely do the rest.

Mary will decide who will be selected in the key spine positions. Being a conservative thinker, he will most probably select Norman over Widdop at 6 because Norman can run a team and close out a game. He would also most likely select Widdop over Dufty because Widdop is the better player and has had international experience at fullback. I think McInnes is safe at hooker for now but may be in a hooker rotation with Robson. I doubt very much that Hun would be selected at hooker mainly because his defence capability is not up to the job week in, week out.
 

RufusRex

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we are capable of top 4 and making it deep into the finals
we are also capable of finishing 10th

team selections/strategy and the ability to coach cohesion are critical
 
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Our 1-5 is probably one of the weakest in the comp (depending on where he plays, Norman may make a difference at fullback but that still leaves a weak 2-5).

Mary is the weakest coach in the comp.

Between 7 and 10. Again.

Straight Shooter
 

slippery5

Juniors
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Because for all the good Dufty did do, it was the things he did not do that got up the nose of the fans.

All of the leaks down the right with Aitken making Nightingale look like a novice in defence, Dufty was nowhere to be seen as the last line of defence.

Like Field, Dufty is a good attacking player but that is only one element of what is required to be a good NRL fullback. Maybe with time he will get there but right now we are talking about 2019. I am comparing Dufty with Widdop as the possible fullback and I'm afraid Widdop wins hands down.

The way forward is for Dufty to realise his short-comings and understand he must address them before any thought of being a fulltime first grade fullback. I'm tipping Widdop to fullback and Norman to five-eighth with Difty to ISP.
Surely no one thinks they were targeting Hayne for anything other then FB or 5/8 with Widdop to FB do they?, so why would the signing of Norman be any different. The fact is, they were unimpressed with Dufty's defence & high ball issues that cannot be fixed overnight. Those who think different have no idea. I don't care how many games he won for us.
 

possm

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Our 1-5 is probably one of the weakest in the comp (depending on where he plays, Norman may make a difference at fullback but that still leaves a weak 2-5).

Mary is the weakest coach in the comp.

Between 7 and 10. Again.

Straight Shooter
There are many contenders for all backline positions and in my opinion it all depends on the selection process. If Mary picks the players who performed best in the off-season and who he believes can do the job well, then we could have a very strong backline.

I believe we need to know about the defence ability of our two new young wingers and the form of Runciman during the off-season. If these two questions are answered in the positive, it may well be that we have a whole new 1-6 line-up that can best or a least equal the top 4 clubs of the competition. I hope to see the following 1-7:

1. Widdop - improved defence and experience
2. Pearson - Big and fast, he needs to show good defence
3. Lomax - Showed us how good he is against Brisbane
4. Runciman - Form in the off-season might win him spot 30
5. Ravalawa - Big and fast, he needs to show good defence
6. Norman - By far our best game manager and half
7. Hunt - Will be free to run and do his magic
 

Crush

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Surely no one thinks they were targeting Hayne for anything other then FB or 5/8 with Widdop to FB do they?, so why would the signing of Norman be any different. The fact is, they were unimpressed with Dufty's defence & high ball issues that cannot be fixed overnight. Those who think different have no idea. I don't care how many games he won for us.
To win a comp you need players with x factor, you need players that can win you a game themselves.
That is what Dufty has. He is never going to be the complete package because he is too small. But we need a bit of x factor if we are going to win a comp. Soward had weaknesses but had x factor. Barba had deficiencies but had x factor. We need Dufty.
 

possm

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To win a comp you need players with x factor, you need players that can win you a game themselves.
That is what Dufty has. He is never going to be the complete package because he is too small. But we need a bit of x factor if we are going to win a comp. Soward had weaknesses but had x factor. Barba had deficiencies but had x factor. We need Dufty.
Dufty will need to work hard in the off-season to rectify his problems in defence and positional play. He will need to gain confidence in taking the high ball. These 3 areas are essential for any first grade fullback. I don't completely his lack of readiness on Dufty, surely his coaches in the lower grades are a fault for not helping him address his shortfalls.
 

slippery5

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Dufty will need to work hard in the off-season to rectify his problems in defence and positional play. He will need to gain confidence in taking the high ball. These 3 areas are essential for any first grade fullback. I don't completely his lack of readiness on Dufty, surely his coaches in the lower grades are a fault for not helping him address his shortfalls.
It has crept into our game from Junior football ever since touch football competition was introduced. Fact.
Junior coaches don't get enough support with helpers to do one on one coaching in areas that may need attention with some kids.
 

slippery5

Juniors
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To win a comp you need players with x factor, you need players that can win you a game themselves.
That is what Dufty has. He is never going to be the complete package because he is too small. But we need a bit of x factor if we are going to win a comp. Soward had weaknesses but had x factor. Barba had deficiencies but had x factor. We need Dufty.
I absolutely agree with you, however Soward played in the front line & had Scott protecting him, Barber always attacked the high ball, so both players had 1 of the 2 requirements when defending covered, Dufty has yet to show either, my excitement with Dufty when he was introduced to 1st grade was Steve Morris type, but for me, flaws that were exposed in the latter half of the season had nothing to do with team performance or "feeling tired" to which I think was a load of hogwash cover up, hence the priority that they have showed to sign a half/FB. McGregor just trying to pull the wool over our eyes IMO.
 

BLM01

First Grade
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It has crept into our game from Junior football ever since touch football competition was introduced. Fact.
Junior coaches don't get enough support with helpers to do one on one coaching in areas that may need attention with some kids.
The problem with Junior foortball which goes on into Under 18's (first level of Seniors) is coaches are trying to emulate 1st grade with its wrestle, wrap the ball up tackle focus, forward plays + block plays, as are forced too with the current NRL rules, unlimited interchange and utilising favouring the big kids for age that in some cases far outweigh the average sized kids.
And then your got the PC with coaching as you cant use constructive criticism anymore for young kids to help them improve, get the right football mongrel into them, working on deficiencies and my old favourite... legs tackles are not as affective now.
Parents on the side line preferring the softly softly little Johnny's trying his best approach, fear of collision and i will take my son or daughter to another sport approach if their kid does not get what they perceive fair treatment have their part to play in all this as well.
(i.e. all above is OK in Up to 10 yrs and it is still about being just a sport for enjoyment but it is a competitve contact sport and when kids start reaching 12 + into teenage they need to be able to accept responsibility for mistakes, poor performances and ability to listen, respect the coach wher it is deserved, working and training hard on their game, and the big one accepting serious injuries and collision are a potential downside, you just got to keep working on those areas of their games that need it etc especially if they want to play senior football even just local park 1st / reggies grade levels for fun and mateship.
 
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BLM01

First Grade
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It has crept into our game from Junior football ever since touch football competition was introduced. Fact.
Junior coaches don't get enough support with helpers to do one on one coaching in areas that may need attention with some kids.
You are 100% correct with support for any football club. Nothing from NRL etc and getting volunteers in any capacitiy is difficult. I am iin a senior position invloved with a CRL club and as every one is time poor and the amount of paper work / admin demanded by the CRL / NRL and processes are just harder and harder to keep up with. Players are changing in respect to what they put in back intto club V what they expect in return in salaries and others etc etc, so we have to start to cross them off the list for helping in fund raising.
People would rather sit their and critiside your club on social media about what your not doing right than actually getting in and offering help.
But I still put my hand up and love it. Crazy aye!
 

AyiosYiorgos

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You are 100% correct with support for any football club. Nothing from NRL etc and getting volunteers in any capacitiy is difficult. I am iin a senior position invloved with a CRL club and as every one is time poor and the amount of paper work / admin demanded by the CRL / NRL and processes are just harder and harder to keep up with. Players are changing in respect to what they put in back intto club V what they expect in return in salaries and others etc etc, so we have to start to cross them off the list for helping in fund raising.
People would rather sit their and critiside your club on social media about what your not doing right than actually getting in and offering help.
But I still put my hand up and love it. Crazy aye!
This in a nutshell, this is society now, easier to critise now, we have all the answer behind our keyboard, we will force our opinion and tell you that its right with only 1/2 the facts, we are all guilty of it one way or another...
 

possm

Coach
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Grass roots funding has been a problem across the board in most sports programs in Australia. I'd like to see schools funded to run rugby league programs and teachers rathere than parents be given priority for training as rugby league coaches. Of course parents would still be allowed to apply for coaching positions but all junior coaches should pass a course prior to coaching.

More Federal and State Government funding should be allocated to junior sport. Some of this funding should be directed towards specialist coaching of junior players. Players who achieve levels of excellence by the end of their junior years, should receive a certificate of excellence and be paid a bonus by the NRL when first contracted to play grade football. All junior reps can only be selected in representative teams if they possess a certificate of excellence.

All of the above are only little measures that together would steer junior players towards attaining the skills needed to play grade football at the right standard.
 

slippery5

Juniors
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The problem with Junior foortball which goes on into Under 18's (first level of Seniors) is coaches are trying to emulate 1st grade with its wrestle, wrap the ball up tackle focus, forward plays + block plays, as are forced too with the current NRL rules, unlimited interchange and utilising favouring the big kids for age that in some cases far outweigh the average sized kids.
And then your got the PC with coaching as you cant use constructive criticism anymore for young kids to help them improve, get the right football mongrel into them, working on deficiencies and my old favourite... legs tackles are not as affective now.
Parents on the side line preferring the softly softly little Johnny's trying his best approach, fear of collision and i will take my son or daughter to another sport approach if their kid does not get what they perceive fair treatment have their part to play in all this as well.
(i.e. all above is OK in Up to 10 yrs and it is still about being just a sport for enjoyment but it is a competitve contact sport and when kids start reaching 12 + into teenage they need to be able to accept responsibility for mistakes, poor performances and ability to listen, respect the coach wher it is deserved, working and training hard on their game, and the big one accepting serious injuries and collision are a potential downside, you just got to keep working on those areas of their games that need it etc especially if they want to play senior football even just local park 1st / reggies grade levels for fun and mateship.
Don't start me on the wrestle....I was a legs tackler, but the only legs tackle I would advise to do today is a side on cover defence. A friend of mine's boy was being taught to hold & wait for the wrestle from the age of 13 which resulted in bouncing off players & them being able to offload at times, I gave him some lessons when he was about 15 on the sand to hit like a legs tackle but under the ribs instead, driving in a diagonally direction to knock the ball carrier off their feet, since then he has made all rep sides including Qld schoolboys & signed with Storm as a 17yr old, just doing their summer pre season & although they do train to wrap & hold, he acknowledges that he only gets complements when doing a one on one driving tackle.
It doesn't matter if you are the size of Dufty or not, if you are shown ways to counteract the size difference, every one should be able to perfect a tackle, just like a small being able to flip a larger man in Judo. ( to a certain degree)
Gone a bit of topic so back to the post.
Top 4
If not bye bye Mcgregor
 
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Gareth67

First Grade
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As said by others the Dragons have the potential to finish in the top 4 , BUT also the unique ability to be just a ‘ all- so ran ‘ team . It does come down to having a coach whom realizes how best to use the players in his squad to their maximum potential .

Will the maestro have learnt to rest his SOO players this year , or will we yet again go through the sorry ordeal of watching a team that is capable of winning the premiership go down the drain with a couple of wins at the very death of the season ?

That question can only be answered by the coach himself. We DO have the experience and youth to go a long way in 2019 , hopefully our Mary shall finally pass his coaching exams this time a round and then everything shall fall into place .
 
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