Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[franklin2323]

Have you ever done some basic maths on our squad?

Very rough and conservative estimates let’s do some sums?

Cleary 800K, Maloney 800K, Tamou 700K, RCG 700K, Kikau 600K, Fisher Harris 500K, Yeo 500K, DWZ, Blake Mansour all 400K. There’s approximately 5.8 million spent on arguably our 10 highest earning players.

That only leaves 3.8 million for the remaining 20 players. Average of say 190K for the remaining 20 and there’s our 9.6 million well and truly spent, gone. Quite of a few of the remaining 20 are likely on deals closer to 300K than the 190K average.

I'd agree with those figures just think could be better spent elsewhere

Both wingers and a whole forward pack shouldn't be in your top 10 paid.

Compare that where Roosters or Storm spend their cap

 

[OldPanther]

We have even reason to be proud of our junior development programs who continue to produce NRL quality players year in year out. Not all stay with us, that is simply not possible. Again this season already we have seen To’o, Naden, Martin & Kenny step with the prospect of one or two more before seasons end. Some will enjoy long NRL careers others may not achieve any significant milestones but it is only a matter of time before we unearth a golden generation which will take us to our next premiership. It’s not far away. Maybe not next year but I actually feel coach Cleary has a great opportunity to win a premiership during his lengthy contract given the strength, depth and quality of the kids coming thru.

Well said. I absolutely love seeing the kids come through. Not happy with every decision made by the club but overall I think we have come a long way since 2011. Managing an NRL club is incredibly difficult, that’s why most are basketcases that bleed money. I mean people want effective cap management with no one being released, releasing players IS cap management ffs.

People need to accept we do not go through more players than other clubs. It’s a MYTH. A myth that’s being used to heavily criticise the club. There’s always this feeling that we are so much worse off then other clubs, it’s really getting old.

I love that Panthers is a development club. We just need to start developing some of them long term in the NRL. I keep saying it but I hope it comes down to the fact we are now only starting to see the generation with full use of the academy come through and that will be our moment.

 

[betcats]

They also replaced RTS with Tedesco. Some teams do stuff better

They got rid of Jimmy because they thought Hastings could do the job. They make mistakes also. They just have more buying power than us, a lot more.

 

[franklin2323]

They got rid of Jimmy because they thought Hastings could do the job. They make mistakes also. They just have more buying power than us, a lot more.

Cap would of been behind that they kept Pearce and Friend to go around him. The top teams know how to relieve cap pressure wisely.

Every year under hook we had new halves. So you are effectively starting from scratch each year

 

[franklin2323]

I love that Panthers is a development club. We just need to start developing some of them long term in the NRL. I keep saying it but I hope it comes down to the fact we are now only starting to see the generation with full use of the academy come through and that will be our moment.

Also to realise we don't need to keep everyone. A good core of 10 or so in key positions should be the aim

 

[betcats]

Cap would of been behind that they kept Pearce and Friend to go around him. The top teams know how to relieve cap pressure wisely.

Every year under hook we had new halves. So you are effectively starting from scratch each year

Yeah hook really didn't settle on anything. We hade different centres all the time. Different fullbacks. Even the edge backrowers were constantly changing, it is really hard to build anything that way.

 

[Abacus]

Also to realise we don't need to keep everyone. A good core of 10 or so in key positions should be the aim

10 is to many - core should be 5.

 

[OldPanther]

Also to realise we don't need to keep everyone. A good core of 10 or so in key positions should be the aim

Yeah. You're the one who mentioned that 2019/20 Is when we see the first guys with use of the new processes for their entire development so my wishful thinking is now we get that core you mentioned from here.

 

[franklin2323]

10 is to many - core should be 5.

Yeah it is hard want to keep a stable spine. Good prop. Good backrower. Need some class out wide kinda like the way the storm have done it

 

[Abacus]

Well I've finally been able to read through all the hysteria posted in this thread over the past couple of days. I truly can't believe the uproar of losing DWZ & Blake.

We all that they landed at the Dogs & Eels. More enlightening was the clubs that they were linked to throughout - Dogs, Eels, Tigers, Titans, Cowboys. None of these are the heavy hitters in the competition.

Another way to look at it is that the better teams (Storm, Roosters, Souths, Raiders, Sharks and even Manly and the Broncs) were apparently not interested in either of them. If Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson and Hasler don't rate them, then I'm not sure why we're getting so upset here. Maybe just a bit of shock and/or something to complain about?

Neither player is critical in terms of the makeup or results of the team - therefore they are tradable. The club took a punt to give these 2 the opportunity to develop and become central to the team - they haven't done it. To stick with them knowing their limitations (& so limiting the team) would be foolish. Now its whether they are replaced by juniors or external recruitment.

The better clubs have been doing this for years - I'd rather we try to emulate this aspect these better clubs than stick with limited first graders.

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah. You're the one who mentioned that 2019/20 Is when we see the first guys with use of the new processes for their entire development so my wishful thinking is now we get that core you mentioned from here.

Look at both times in recent times we got in cap problems. Back when Gus 1st came our went on 2 props. A centre and fullback.

Now we have elite money on 2 props. DWZ and Blake reportedly out the door due to being on overs. No doubt Mansour would be up there for high paid wingers

 

[franklin2323]

Well I've finally been able to read through all the hysteria posted in this thread over the past couple of days. I truly can't believe the uproar of losing DWZ & Blake.

We all that they landed at the Dogs & Eels. More enlightening was the clubs that they were linked to throughout - Dogs, Eels, Tigers, Titans, Cowboys. None of these are the heavy hitters in the competition.

Another way to look at it is that the better teams (Storm, Roosters, Souths, Raiders, Sharks and even Manly and the Broncs) were apparently not interested in either of them. If Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson and Hasler don't rate them, then I'm not sure why we're getting so upset here. Maybe just a bit of shock and/or something to complain about?

Neither player is critical in terms of the makeup or results of the team - therefore they are tradable. The club took a punt to give these 2 the opportunity to develop and become central to the team - they haven't done it. To stick with them knowing their limitations (& so limiting the team) would be foolish. Now its whether they are replaced by juniors or external recruitment.

The better clubs have been doing this for years - I'd rather we try to emulate this aspect these better clubs than stick with limited first graders.

Good post

 

[OldPanther]

Well I've finally been able to read through all the hysteria posted in this thread over the past couple of days. I truly can't believe the uproar of losing DWZ & Blake.

We all that they landed at the Dogs & Eels. More enlightening was the clubs that they were linked to throughout - Dogs, Eels, Tigers, Titans, Cowboys. None of these are the heavy hitters in the competition.

Another way to look at it is that the better teams (Storm, Roosters, Souths, Raiders, Sharks and even Manly and the Broncs) were apparently not interested in either of them. If Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson and Hasler don't rate them, then I'm not sure why we're getting so upset here. Maybe just a bit of shock and/or something to complain about?

Neither player is critical in terms of the makeup or results of the team - therefore they are tradable. The club took a punt to give these 2 the opportunity to develop and become central to the team - they haven't done it. To stick with them knowing their limitations (& so limiting the team) would be foolish. Now its whether they are replaced by juniors or external recruitment.

The better clubs have been doing this for years - I'd rather we try to emulate this aspect these better clubs than stick with limited first graders.

Mine is just fandom. I rate Blake quite highly. A team who utilises their backline will get good use out of him.

 

[Abacus]

Yeah it is hard want to keep a stable spine. Good prop. Good backrower. Need some class out wide kinda like the way the storm have done it

Yes, but not all 4 of your spine will be included in the "core".

Whem you look at the competition there are not a whole lot of outside backs that I would recruit. I'd be happy to never pay more than $250k for wingers - just keep rolling the next young outside back onto the wing and have them do a job.

We've got a good backrower (Kikau), good front rower (JFH) and interesting to see if Martin has any ball playing in him.

Really just need a fast fullback (preferably with some ballplay) and a serviceable hooker. There's enough talent around to fill the other gaps.

 

[Abacus]

Mine is just fandom. I rate Blake quite highly. A team who utilises their backline will get good use out of him.

Yeah, I get and respect fandom - we're all fans. I'm just surprised at the extent to which emotion overrules rational thought (generally, not you specifically).

Teams that can get Blake running into gaps will get value from him - just don't expect him to create from nothing, beat his opposite 1 on 1 or effectively use his outside man. Might seem critical but trying to view his performances objectively.

 

[Flashstep]

Well I've finally been able to read through all the hysteria posted in this thread over the past couple of days. I truly can't believe the uproar of losing DWZ & Blake.

We all that they landed at the Dogs & Eels. More enlightening was the clubs that they were linked to throughout - Dogs, Eels, Tigers, Titans, Cowboys. None of these are the heavy hitters in the competition.

Another way to look at it is that the better teams (Storm, Roosters, Souths, Raiders, Sharks and even Manly and the Broncs) were apparently not interested in either of them. If Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson and Hasler don't rate them, then I'm not sure why we're getting so upset here. Maybe just a bit of shock and/or something to complain about?

Neither player is critical in terms of the makeup or results of the team - therefore they are tradable. The club took a punt to give these 2 the opportunity to develop and become central to the team - they haven't done it. To stick with them knowing their limitations (& so limiting the team) would be foolish. Now its whether they are replaced by juniors or external recruitment.

The better clubs have been doing this for years - I'd rather we try to emulate this aspect these better clubs than stick with limited first graders.

Recruitment isn’t as simple as you make it out to be, it’s not that top teams don’t rate DWZ or Blake, it more comes down to factors such as is the position in need of an upgrade or can they afford to sign said players halfway through a season, if it’s true they’re on big money it makes it even harder to unload them.

This is the problem, even if it’s true big teams don’t rate DWZ or Blake that’s fine, but when you release them with years to run on their contract we’re forced into paying parts of their contracts for the foreseeable future, so even if it eases salary cap pressure it’s not like we can just go out and start looking for stars ourselves, it’s not like our recruitment strategy has paid off in recent years anyway. What we will do is replace them with a junior no doubt, and when that junior hits some bad form well he can get f**ked and well just bring the next one in line in, rinse and repeat and then we’ll wonder why we stay an inconsistent team with glaring weaknesses, because that’s the biggest issues with young teams, just look at Brisbane and they have a much higher draw when it comes to bringing in players.

 

[franklin2323]

Yes, but not all 4 of your spine will be included in the "core".

Whem you look at the competition there are not a whole lot of outside backs that I would recruit. I'd be happy to never pay more than $250k for wingers - just keep rolling the next young outside back onto the wing and have them do a job.

We've got a good backrower (Kikau), good front rower (JFH) and interesting to see if Martin has any ball playing in him.

Really just need a fast fullback (preferably with some ballplay) and a serviceable hooker. There's enough talent around to fill the other gaps.

So far To'o and Naden are doing what they have to but it is a lot different being some depleted teams in the middle of the season than working over good teams come finals time (Which should be the aim)

JFH and Kikau both look to be elite forwards... Problem is our elite forward money is going to RCG. We have a stack of promising halves. Assuming Luai is Maloney's replacement (I'd move him to FB personally) We still have very good options in halves to move to those positions BUT will we have cap space if they come any good?

 

[mxlegend99]

Well I've finally been able to read through all the hysteria posted in this thread over the past couple of days. I truly can't believe the uproar of losing DWZ & Blake.

We all that they landed at the Dogs & Eels. More enlightening was the clubs that they were linked to throughout - Dogs, Eels, Tigers, Titans, Cowboys. None of these are the heavy hitters in the competition.

Another way to look at it is that the better teams (Storm, Roosters, Souths, Raiders, Sharks and even Manly and the Broncs) were apparently not interested in either of them. If Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson and Hasler don't rate them, then I'm not sure why we're getting so upset here. Maybe just a bit of shock and/or something to complain about?

Neither player is critical in terms of the makeup or results of the team - therefore they are tradable. The club took a punt to give these 2 the opportunity to develop and become central to the team - they haven't done it. To stick with them knowing their limitations (& so limiting the team) would be foolish. Now its whether they are replaced by juniors or external recruitment.

The better clubs have been doing this for years - I'd rather we try to emulate this aspect these better clubs than stick with limited first graders.

Who says those clubs or coaches weren't interested? Bulldogs came from nowhere for Dallins signature. All along he was Tigers to lose... yet a club the media had barely linked to him got him.

Blake was never on the market. Eels approached us about him... really neither player was in a situation where you could say what clubs were interested or not.

But once again we lose established NRL players and need to develop new ones. I cant believe how many people are ok with our club constantly being stuck in redevelopment. We arent building toward anything and haven't taken a step toward anything in 5 years.

 

[betcats]

Who says those clubs or coaches weren't interested? Bulldogs came from nowhere for Dallins signature. All along he was Tigers to lose... yet a club the media had barely linked to him got him.

Blake was never on the market. Eels approached us about him... really neither player was in a situation where you could say what clubs were interested or not.

But once again we lose established NRL players and need to develop new ones. I cant believe how many people are ok with our club constantly being stuck in redevelopment. We arent building toward anything and haven't taken a step toward anything in 5 years.

FMD, So many pessimistic merkins these days. We should just be happy to overpay average first graders? Your idea of redevelopment is the club trying to improve.

 

[franklin2323]

FMD, So many pessimistic merkins these days. We should just be happy to overpay average first graders? Your idea of redevelopment is the club trying to improve.

Both I don't think would of improved for us and if the rumour contracts are too be believed then it was the right choice to move them on