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From the Telegragh.

McGregor's head off the chopping block.

The St George Illawarra review is complete and Paul McGregor will retain his position as coach.

Differences of opinion on the club’s board have been resolved and the announcement McGregor is safe will be made within a few days.

The board is expecting a fan backlash but there was nowhere else to go once Shane Flanagan was ruled out of a head coaching position until 2022.

The Dragons’ membership numbers will be interesting. McGregor needs a solid start next year to retain support.

There is talk he wants to bring home Bronco Jack Bird. Others at the Dragons believe he is too big an injury risk.



 
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From the Telegragh.

McGregor's head off the chopping block.

The St George Illawarra review is complete and Paul McGregor will retain his position as coach.

Differences of opinion on the club’s board have been resolved and the announcement McGregor is safe will be made within a few days.

The board is expecting a fan backlash but there was nowhere else to go once Shane Flanagan was ruled out of a head coaching position until 2022.

The Dragons’ membership numbers will be interesting. McGregor needs a solid start next year to retain support.

There is talk he wants to bring home Bronco Jack Bird. Others at the Dragons believe he is too big an injury risk.


Then he can use jacks injury in a litany of excuses as to why we finished 11th
 

18to87

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The Dragons membership drive post on Facebook is lighting up. Great to see!

I quite like this post:

"I also have to ask, what does McGregor think of this. Literally hundreds of fans refusing to renew membership because he’s the coach.

If he really had the club’s best interests at heart, he’d walk away like Nathan Brown.

He’ll never be remembered as a legend of the club for being a great player. He’ll be remembered as a charity case who kept putting his hand out for more contracts because he couldn’t get a job anywhere else."
 

getsmarty

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I don’t think many subscribers to this thread are at all surprised the Frizelle matter has finally exploded.

I heard he was angry about the abandonment of jdb,

The problem with no fault stand down is that it assumes possible guilt before the legal system has determined that to be the case.

With the cops getting it wrong 7% of the time ( ie people not guilty) that’s too big a margin for error for the nrl to rely on.

The nrl has no business at all involving itself in criminal law matters. Look at what happened to the snake.

Football players are massive targets for mischief from all kinds of people.

There will be more players on the way out as the club is on its knees.

Even if Mary is sacked, looking unlikely, there’s still 2 or 3 years of intensive de-maryfication to undergo afterwards as the white knights and favourites are eradicated.

But the real problem may remain. The board.
 
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Old Kogarah Boy 1

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I don’t think many subscribers to this thread are at all surprised the Frizelle matter has finally exploded.

I heard he was angry about the abandonment of jdb,

The problem with no fault stand down is that it assumes possible guilt before the legal system has determined that to be the case.

With the cops getting it wrong 7% of the time ( ie people not guilty) that’s too big a margin for error for the nrl to rely on.

The nrl has no business at all involving itself in criminal law matters. Look at what happened to the snake.

Football players are massive targets for mischief from all kinds of people.

There will be more players on the way out as the club is on its knees.

Even if Mary is sacked, looking unlikely, there’s still 2 or 3 years of intensive de-maryfication to undergo afterwards as the white knights and favourites are eradicated.

But the real problem may remain. The board.

If the board exit Mary, that in itself is a forward move by the board.

Yes, the aftermath will take some cleaning up but as long as the McGregor is gone, everything else pales into insignificance, so to speak.
 
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If the board exit Mary, that in itself is a forward move by the board.

Yes, the aftermath will take some cleaning up but as long as the McGregor is gone, everything else pales into insignificance, so to speak.

I’d like to think so, but @Objective View and many others argue that the board are ultimately responsible for Maryfication and I suppose these fans and members are concerned that even once he goes, under the boards continued “leadership” the club will continue to struggle.

The question of whether or not the board can be trusted any longer is staring people the face.

Mary goes and the odds at the moment are that they simply sign a substitute Mary.

Yet another ruffian with more mates and excuses than plans.

People seem to be quite sick and now horrified of the club being used as a rich mans hobby.

I think the nrl should step in and save the club...from itself.

Sell it back to the fans and a mix of sound corporate leaders at arms length. Balance the interests properly.

For a club people can believe in again.
 
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Gareth67

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Phoned the club earlier today and told them that I will not be renewing my membership.
Lovely young lady said it shall be done , but will keep my name on the books just in case I should change my mind .

Explained the reason why to her which her response was “ oh you are not the only member ( now ex -member ) to do so . Let’s hope that things shall improve next season “ .

Shame about that but most unfortunately the time has come to hit the beggars where it will really hurt and that is in their wallet .
 

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Sorry Mary, it's time to go



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In 2019 the team conceded the most points in a season in St George Illawarra history (575), and scored the second fewest (427), and achieved the worst differential.

The problems underlying this failure are longstanding. McGregor has repeatedly demonstrated conservative management of his team and squad, failed to develop players and refused to accept responsibility for his errors or learn from his mistakes.

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The current board also failing. In addition to overseeing the club’s worst finish in 98 years, the club has managed the worst ever crowds at Wollongong (5578 versus Melb on 4 June 2019) and Kogarah (6532 v Titans on 10 August). The club is demoralised, their football is terrible, and the fans are either revolting or uninterested.

Dragons’ ladder finishes under McGregor: 2014 (11th), 2015 (eighth), 2016 (11th), 2017 (ninth), 2018 (seventh) and 2019 (15th).

McGregor’s results make for poor reading. Between 2014 and 2019, he has a highest finish of seventh and a lowest of 15th. In a 16-team competition, with a well regulated salary cap, this is an objective failure.

All else being equal teams should finish around eighth or ninth most of the time, sometimes higher, sometimes lower. McGregor’s teams have finished higher than the median just once in six years.

In addition, in 2012 and 2013 as reserve grade coach, he led teams to sixth and ninth.

2019 has been the worst year of McGregor’s long tenure, in addition to being the Dragons’ worst since their grading in 1921.


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Sympathetic commentary has sought reasons including the loss of Jack de Belin and the injury to Gareth Widdop. Losing quality players is an issue, but not one unique to the Dragons.

The Storm performed without Cooper Cronk, and the Dragons won four of their first six without de Belin. The problems at the Dragons are deeper, and will not be solved with McGregor at the helm.

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Gareth Widdop and Paul McGregor (AAP Image/Michael Chambers)

End of season fade-outs
Setting aside 2014 (McGregor’s first half-season), the Dragons have run out of puff mid-way through every year. In 2015 they did not win between Rounds 12 and 21. In 2016, they registered just two wins after Round 16. In 2017, they won four after Round 13. In 2018 it was just three wins after Round 16.

In 2019, after re-signing McGregor for a further two years, the Dragons managed just four wins after Round 6. Two of these were against the atrocious Titans, one against the 14th-placed Cowboys, and one against the then last-placed Bulldogs.

McGregor has not been able to identify or fix these problems. The flip side to this is that for the last three years the Dragons have started the season well.

Rumour has it that the Dragons board is determined not to admit that they erred in re-signing McGregor so soon, and have set him an early 2020 test that he needs to pass in order to retain his position. History suggests he will pass this test, then fade again.

Inability to nurture up and coming talent
In 2016, the Dragons reserve grade side won the premiership and interstate cup under Jason Demetriou. Demetriou was moved on the next year. In 2019 the Dragons reserve grade side is in the preliminary final under Matt Head. There are reports he will be sacked at the end of the year.


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The Dragons’ development systems are full of talent that does not get a look into McGregor’s teams, and either atrophies or looks for opportunities elsewhere.

For example Lachlan Timm leads the reserve grade competition for runs, decoy runs, metres, post contact metres and tackles. McGregor could not find a place for him in his top 21 all year, nor explain to fans why.

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Dragons coach Paul McGregor needs to shake his team selections up. (AAP Image/Michael Chambers)

Jackson Ford, who just trailed Timm in numerous categories, was given a start in Round 21 with the season long gone. Jason Saab was handed a jersey in Round 19. Zac Lomax was demoted to reserve grade after starring at the back end of 2018. Reuben Garrick, starved of opportunities, fled to Manly where he starred.

Pat Herbert found a start at the Warriors. Josh Kerr, Mikaele Ravilawa, Jai Field, Taane Milne were and are ignored. Coach favourites Josh McCrone, Jeremy Latimore, Euan Aitken, Tim Lafai and others have been automatic selections, and opportunities presented to journeymen like Lachlan Maranta and Patrick Faufusi.

This phenomenon is not new. As early as 2016 articles about this coaching technique destroying the Dragons were written after McGregor “left the great red and white hope and off-load machine, Luciano Leilua, on the bench” in a crucial game until the team was 30 points down and the season done.

The highly talented Leilua remains a fringe first grader in 2019. In 2017, Brendan Bradford asked whether it was “time for McGregor to start playing some of the young-guns the Dragons have in their ranks?” McGregor circa 2019 appears to disagree still.

Sympathetic commentators point out that squad deficiencies are not McGregor’s fault. Apart from the fact that McGregor himself says he ‘has the roster he wants’, those same commentators would do well to acknowledge that McGregor lost responsibility for recruitment and retention after a disastrous 2016 season at the recommendation of Mark Coyne and the board.
 

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