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News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

  • I want him back in the NRL.

    Votes: 60 17.2%
  • I don't want him back in the NRL.

    Votes: 113 32.4%
  • I couldn't care less if he returns or not.

    Votes: 176 50.4%

  • Total voters
    349

Mr Angry

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Does the RLIF have a say?
Do players have to be registered as a rugby league player in some local league?
George the treacherous Tongan would have him registered when required.

Cling to anything and bring the lot down.
 
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Does the RLIF have a say?
Do players have to be registered as a rugby league player in some local league?

He does have to be registered, and Folau's statement said he was cleared by the RLIF when both its Chairman and CEO have said that is not accurate at all when all the media have inquired of them.

I think this article by Phil Lutton for the Sydney Morning Herald sums up the issues regarding how Folau wants to return to rugby league -

Crossing picket line won't endear Folau to striking Tonga players
By Phil Lutton

September 24, 2019 — 9.13pm

Israel Folau’s intention to cross the picket line and return to rugby league via a strife-torn Tonga will only give his critics further assurances that he considers his own career more important than the sports that have made him a fortune.

In a bungled oh-so-rugby league reveal on Monday night, which turned out to be laden with inconsistencies, the Tonga National Rugby League said Folau would play in Tests against the Kangaroos and Great Britain in October and November.

The Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) had approved the whole deal, read the statement, which also included a resounding approval from new coach Frank Endacott. Neither the RLIF nor Endacott knew anything about it before they were told by reporters seeking comment on the controversial move.

Folau was quoted as saying that he would not "bring any of my personal matters into this" – which he found impossible to stick to as a Wallaby, hence his dismissal by Rugby Australia – and that he was rejoicing at being given the opportunity.

"What I will do now is focus on playing great rugby league and do my talking on the field," Folau was quoted as saying in the statement. Most familiar with the inner workings of Tongan rugby league don't believe Folau will make it that far.

While Folau is more than happy to pull on the jersey for the land of his father's birth, almost every other Mate Ma'a Tonga player of any note is at loggerheads with TNRL chairman George Koloamatangi and secretary William Edwards.

Unhappy with the sacking of coach Kristian Woolf, a block of almost 30 players have made a pact to boycott the national side until Woolf is reinstated and Koloamatangi and Edwards step down.

Former Titans coach Garth Brennan was to coach the team for the World Nines in October, but he quit late on Tuesday afternoon, saying it was all too political for his liking. It seems like Folau is the only man running towards the explosions.

With Andrew Fifita and Jason Taumalolo at the vanguard, the playing group want a new board elected and Woolf, who had coached the team from 2014 and into the memorable 2017 World Cup, back in his former role.

They are refusing to budge and are determined to make good on their threats to sit out the Nines and the following Tests. It would literally gut the squad to the point where it would be near impossible for Tonga to field any sort of competitive unit.

Fifita and Taumalolo famously pledged their allegiance to Tonga for that World Cup, and the move sparked a resurgence in the international game. Tonga were the hottest team in tournament, stunning New Zealand before a heartbreaking loss to England in the semi-finals. It was a stirring rise for a potential superpower of the code.

Not that any of that means much to Folau. Presented with a chance to get back on a football field –any football field – he appears to be content to thumb his nose at their solidarity and sacrifices.

Rest assured, many of the striking players will be deeply unhappy with Folau volunteering his services. They do not consider him "one of them", no matter how many Mate Ma'a fans want to see him in a red and white jumper.

If the issue was resolved in time for the Nines and the Tests, and Folau still wanted to compete, team insiders questioned whether he would make the cut in any case, given the Tongan ranks are now full of fit and often in-form NRL players.

The other query that immediately arose when news of Folau's potential return became public was what impact, if any, it would have on his Federal Court proceedings against Rugby Australia. He was sacked for a contract breach following homophobic social media posts.

He will allege his dismissal constitutes a restraint of trade based on his religious views, the question then being: How can he say his trade has been restrained if he is back playing a professional rugby code so soon?

Of more interest, says commercial sports lawyer with Gadens, Tim Fuller, is what impact it would have on his case if the RLIF vetoed any potential selection with Mate Ma'a Tonga. With NRL chiefs Todd Greenberg and Peter Beattie on the board, there will be substantial roadblocks in place.

Fuller said if that was the case, it may only serve to strengthen his claims in the Federal Court that he has been curtailed from seeking fair employment in his chosen field.

"I think it would be a dangerous precedent that the RLIF would establish to exclude Folau based on social media publications from a previous code after the member nation [Tonga] selected him," Fuller said.

"It smacks of, at a minimum, poor governance to their own rules and, at worst, discrimination. Any attempt to ban him exemplifies the claim that he has in court that he is being unreasonably restrained in his attempt to play sport and earn a living."

There will be twists and turns in this story as it plays out over the coming weeks, beginning with a RLIF board meeting on Friday. Regardless of what happens, don't expect Fifita and his comrades to forget that Folau was ready to stroll in just as they were walking out.
 

Grapple

Bench
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I've thought long and hard about this issue over quite a few red wines and i've come to the conclusion that we need t.....
 

Twizzle

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Tongan government intervenes to stop Israel Folau rugby league comeback
By WWOS staff
4 hours ago

Israel Folau's bid to represent Tonga in a return to rugby league has copped a potentially fatal blow with the government intervening to try to stop it.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Tongan Prime Minister Semisi Sika has reacted decisively to the push for Folau to wear the Tongan jersey, contacting representatives of the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) to inform them he wants the Tongan National Rugby League board removed.

According to the report, a phone hook-up of Rugby League International Federation directors has been scheduled on Thursday to discuss the dramas engulfing the Tongan team.

Folau's possible return is just part of a story that gets messier by the day.

While the sacked Wallaby's links to the team have created widespread headlines, the sacking of former coach Kristian Woolf is arguably a more pressing issue among the players with stars including Jason Taumalolo and Andrew Fifita threatening to boycott the off-season Tests unless Woolf is reinstated.


Interim Prime minister Sika has told the RLIF he does not support or acknowledge the current TNRL board and wants to establish an interim board to oversee the national team, according to the Herald report.

A new board would likely placate the disgruntled players and end the chances of inviting Folau into the fold.
 
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But we have chosen to include home invaders, head stompers, woman pushers, fan punchers, drink drivers, vagina grabbers, gangbangers, drug suppliers carriers and takers, amateur pornographers and aĺleged gang rapists.

Are religious tweeting homophobes a step too far?

Fmd. Who signed Donald Trump?
 
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Would Izzy have been sacked if Qantas and the sponsors didn't kick up a stink and threaten to pull their sponsor ship dollars ?? No of course not, he was the biggest draw card in the sport.

Don't get it confused, this whole thing comes down to money no matter what spin the ARU tries.

And why the nrl wont let him back. He is kn the nose with sponsors and they are terrified he will tweet something else that will result in money walking away from the game
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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And why the nrl wont let him back. He is kn the nose with sponsors and they are terrified he will tweet something else that will result in money walking away from the game

As they should be, he has shown nothing to suggest he won’t do it again and the nrl’s job is to protect the business first and foremost.
 

bazza

Immortal
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And why the nrl wont let him back. He is kn the nose with sponsors and they are terrified he will tweet something else that will result in money walking away from the game
Depending on the outcome of his case against the ARU, it may prove that a code of conduct as part of a contract would be enough to prevent that happening
 

This Year?

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Rugby league has always been an inclusive sport. We already have thugs, women bashers alleged rapists., druggos and amatuer porn stars. What more damage could another god squadder with orthodox view do?

I couldn't care less if he returns but the pc stuff is a bit lame IMO.
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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Ha ha.

Yeah because the NRL is all about integrity and business first.

It might not be, but if it is another step in that direction I applaud it.

Out of interest if Izzy was white and in the KKK and was spouting that coloureds are inferior and don’t deserve to be treat as equals would people hold the same view that it is just PC gone mad? I doubt it, just because it is written in some 2000 year old piece of fiction doesn’t justify his bigotry.
 

chrisD

Coach
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It might not be, but if it is another step in that direction I applaud it.

Out of interest if Izzy was white and in the KKK and was spouting that coloureds are inferior and don’t deserve to be treat as equals would people hold the same view that it is just PC gone mad? I doubt it, just because it is written in some 2000 year old piece of fiction doesn’t justify his bigotry.
Yes, if something was different, it would likely be received differently. Thank you Socrates.
 

myrrh ken

First Grade
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It might not be, but if it is another step in that direction I applaud it.

Out of interest if Izzy was white and in the KKK and was spouting that coloureds are inferior and don’t deserve to be treat as equals would people hold the same view that it is just PC gone mad? I doubt it, just because it is written in some 2000 year old piece of fiction doesn’t justify his bigotry.

\Why are we playing against Tonga if they have laws against homosexuality?

If you think about it, Folau wants them saved, Tonga wants them locked up.
 

YoHadrian

Juniors
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Tongan government intervenes to stop Israel Folau rugby league comeback
By WWOS staff
4 hours ago

Israel Folau's bid to represent Tonga in a return to rugby league has copped a potentially fatal blow with the government intervening to try to stop it.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Tongan Prime Minister Semisi Sika has reacted decisively to the push for Folau to wear the Tongan jersey, contacting representatives of the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) to inform them he wants the Tongan National Rugby League board removed.

According to the report, a phone hook-up of Rugby League International Federation directors has been scheduled on Thursday to discuss the dramas engulfing the Tongan team.

Folau's possible return is just part of a story that gets messier by the day.

While the sacked Wallaby's links to the team have created widespread headlines, the sacking of former coach Kristian Woolf is arguably a more pressing issue among the players with stars including Jason Taumalolo and Andrew Fifita threatening to boycott the off-season Tests unless Woolf is reinstated.


Interim Prime minister Sika has told the RLIF he does not support or acknowledge the current TNRL board and wants to establish an interim board to oversee the national team, according to the Herald report.

A new board would likely placate the disgruntled players and end the chances of inviting Folau into the fold.

Looks like they've been told.
 

SBD82

Coach
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Can we finally agree that Izzy might be a bit of a liability for the NRL?

Israel Folau preaches bushfires and drought are God’s punishment for same-sex marriage and abortion

November 17, 20199:38pm

Sky News contributor Gemma Tognini says she is "a little bit lost for words" following reports Israel Folau allegedly linked the nation...

In his latest sermon, Israel Folau has linked the bushfires and drought which have ravaged NSW and Queensland to same-sex marriage and abortion legislation.

Speaking at The Truth of Jesus Christ Church in Kenthurst, north west of Sydney, Folau has again delivered yet another sermon which has taken aim at homosexuals.

In June, Folau launched an attack on homosexuals and transgender children, a matter of months after he had his Wallabies contract torn up for a series of social media posts.

Folau had his $4 million contract torn up by Rugby Australia after he was found guilty of a code of conduct breach for saying “hell awaits” gay people in a social media post earlier this year.

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He has since launched legal action, reportedly seeking $10 million in damages, believing he has been discriminated against because of his religious views.

Folau is set to return to court in December ahead of a trial in February 2020 if mediation is unsuccessful.

But in his latest sermon, Folau linked the devastating natural disasters to recent legislation.

“The message I mainly want to speak about today is mainly for the people who are outside within the world,” he began. “I’ve been looking around at the events that have been happening around Australia in the last couple of weeks with the bushfires and the droughts and all these things that are currently happening.”

Folau said he was passing on the message “out of love” but quickly doubled down on his views on homosexuality and abortion.

Folau spoke from Isaiah 24, which says: “The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, and those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left.”

He pointed to marriage equality laws and abortions and said “they’ve changed the law, they’ve changed the ordinance”.

“I just want to see the events that have happened here in Australia in the last couple of years,” he said. “God’s word says for a man and a woman to be together, one man and one woman to be in the covenant of marriage together.

“Abortion, it’s okay to murder and kill unborn children and they deem that to be okay.

“Look how rapid these bushfires, these droughts, all these things have come in a short period of time, do you think it’s a coincidence? God is speaking to you guys — Australia, you need to repent and take these laws and turn it back into what is right by God.”

He said “God is speaking to us”, urging the congregation to repent and turn away from their sins, comparing the current world to Sodom and Gomorrah — Old Testament cities which were destroyed by God for the sin of its inhabitants.

And in a passage of his sermon which appeared to speak to the scandal which saw his Rugby Australia contract torn up, Folau said Christians are “shut out” by the world.

“As a Christian in society, the world will look at you like you’re something different,” Folau said. “If you speak the truth, they will try to shut you out.

“To be a Christian and stand up for the truth seems like a criminal act compared to people who do drugs, sexual assault, go and murder, the world will accept you. As soon as you stand up and stand for the truth and proclaim the truth, they will try to shut you out.”

Folau said the current generation is “full of arrogance and full of pride”.

The exiled rugby star also he had the “solution for what’s happening in Australia”.

“Not even with the natural disaster but anyone who is not born again in Christ,” he said. “So many people are hard hearted, they don’t want to open their hearts and show humility to let the lord in and change them.

“Repent and the lord will heal you, forgive your sins and heal your land — that is the solution to what is happening right now in this nation.”

Folau had his contract torn up in April and has since stood by his statements.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sport...je4Ro_IoUulTCTQAZewoFloGWvs5kKkKmkiC4dyarPM4c
 
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Wizardman

First Grade
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The NRL can be a mixed bag according to the decisions they make about the game. But they got this one 100% correct regarding not letting him into the NRL. Could you imagine the damage control an NRL club would be in today if they signed him and he said these comments? The NRL have saved themselves a lot of trouble just on today's comments alone.
 
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The NRL can be a mixed bag according to the decisions they make about the game. But they got this one 100% correct regarding not letting him into the NRL. Could you imagine the damage control an NRL club would be in today if they signed him and he said these comments? The NRL have saved themselves a lot of trouble just on today's comments alone.
What's wrong with what Izzy has said? People should not have gay sex, and same sex couples should not be allowed to adopt, what is wrong with that?
 
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