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Avenger

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This is my cousin, Peter. I’m so proud of him. Technically a cousin in law but I’ve known him since he was a kid. Lost a stack of weight since this article. His colleague literally died from a heart attack at work. They work so hard.

https://magazine.uow.edu.au/alumni/outlook/uow222422.html

edit: and my son received early entry to do the same course at the University of Wollongong.
 
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Gronk

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Very nice, Sveta !

Since election day, Russia's Kremlin-controlled media have increasingly focused on amplifying unsubstantiated allegations of vote-rigging about the US vote.

This line has been promoted on bulletins and talk shows on state TV, as well by pro-Kremlin accounts on Twitter.

Russia's main international news outlet, RT, on Thursday put out several tweets talking about alleged fraud that were flagged by Twitter as misleading.

Much of the allegations appeared to be based on unsubstantiated fraud claims made by Donald Trump and his supporters, particularly about postal voting.

A talk-show host on top state channel Rossiya 1 TV said "the world has not seen any honest democratic elections” in the US.

He went on to speak of “manipulation and falsification”, adding that the perpetrators were not “even an attempting to hide them anymore".

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5fa59f3a45324002c52d93ab&Russian media push false vote-rigging narrative&2020-11-06T22:25:30.302Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:b5d7cf7f-4dd3-4518-a3fc-cf98eecd1135&pinned_post_asset_id=5fa59f3a45324002c52d93ab&pinned_post_type=share
 

Bandwagon

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Agree .... and there is absolutely no difference with mainstream - they pick and choose what and how they want to present it .... i genuinely dont know if there are entirely reliable sources any more. MSM is as much about keeping their jobs these days as telling you the facts

A lot of MSM also runs the same story in written form these days, which whilst it makes it no more true, having a transcript does give a much easier reference for checking out what is being claimed, if you can be arsed.
 
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Hmm , the thing with video is you still only see what the producer wants you to see, in the context in which they wish to present it, and even then without further supporting evidence, you don't know what you're told you're seeing is what you're seeing.

Now when the producer of said videos has a history such as that of project Veritas and James O'keefe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas - https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_Veritas - then it's pretty much certain that there are a helluva lot more reliable sources of evidence to be found.

Of course you could lay claim as you do to video being more reliable than a bunch of talking heads, such as that which we see on Fox or CNN, and in general I'd probably agree with that, but hey, that's not exactly a high bar to set.

Their basic MO is to target low level employees ( who may or may not be who they say they are ) and through various means lead them into saying something incriminating or immoral, and then attempt to expand that to apply to the entire organisation they are attempting to "sting".



You throw enough mud, you'll get enough to stick, and that'll lead to an investigation. I'll tell you what'd be telling, and that is that should an investigation commence, that James Okeefe fronts up to the investigators, supplies his video as evidence, and signs his name to the fact that it is a true and full account of what happened.

If it is indeed a true and full account, he should have no qualms with exposing himself to potential indictment through providing a false statement should it turn out it is neither a true, nor full account.

I wouldn't be holding your breath waiting for that to happen though mate.
I wasn't implying that an investigation suggests wrongdoing but only that if they investigate they'll either find something or not. The guy has been revealed now.

 

Poupou Escobar

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For mine, his sole aim is to is to leave office with a cloud over Biden so the ongoing rhetoric for the next 4 years will be that Biden is an illegitimate president, won via nefarious means.
I wonder if he might've seen that tactic used before.

#Russians
 

strider

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A lot of MSM also runs the same story in written form these days, which whilst it makes it no more true, having a transcript does give a much easier reference for checking out what is being claimed, if you can be arsed.
why can't you re-watch videos? to re-reference them .... I'm sure there is probably software to generate transcripts if you really can be arsed

the biggest problem with video atm is that people are censoring it (taking it down) - so you can't even revisit it if you want to prove or disprove it - video relies more heavily on a hosting platform, like youtube, which are controlled, rightly or wrongly, by the people who run them - though there are more independant hosts popping up

video (and audio) is just a different medium - which is more likely to be consumed these days .... which true, makes it more likely to be used as a means of sending something fake (or not fake) viral
 

Poupou Escobar

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Blockchain would certainly provide integrity of the vote once cast. However how do you ensure that each voter is legitimate?

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The problem with software-based systems is that they can (and usually do) contain security flaws that might not be discovered for a long time. The problem here is when these flaws are discovered early by a nefarious actor who exploits the flaw rather than disclosing it. The inevitable march of time and new technology makes this increasingly likely.

So unlike a building (for example) which can be proven to be secure against various attacks according to the laws of physics, there is no way (yet) to prove that software is likewise secure. The amount of the interactions between components creates complexity that even modern computers are unable to reliably find and flag. When humans find these vulnerabilities there is always an element of luck involved, as well as creative use of prior knowledge. Advances in quantum computing might change this, but that is likely to create new security problems.

The point is, if mail-in voting is vulnerable to exploitation and problems of opacity/legitimacy, electronic voting is even more so.
 

Poupou Escobar

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I have a cousin who works on Wall Street.
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Poupou Escobar

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No, I generally accept there are truths to the stereotypes, what I’m having a hard time believing is that these would have one side more susceptible to voter fraud than the other.
Probably because you believe that while Democrats are more likely to be smart enough to do it, you also believe they are less likely to be Evil enough, am I right?
 

Poupou Escobar

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Agree .... and there is absolutely no difference with mainstream - they pick and choose what and how they want to present it .... i genuinely dont know if there are entirely reliable sources any more. MSM is as much about keeping their jobs these days as telling you the facts
And selling the stories their customers want to hear. Look at the New York Times recently, and the backlash they received from customers (and employees) over trying to present an opposing voice.

Now if we don't like something it is 'harmful'. Kill it with fire.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Oh right ... yeah for sure. Tell him to come back to the tranquil south coast.

The thing i find weird tho, is that there has been more concern shown that the Republicans will go nuts if they lose than the other way ..... i think it was always just as big a chance, probably moreso the other way, purely cos of the passionate hate of trump.

But then there is also the fact that in the USA, anything is a good excuse to riot.
And they're forgetting recent mob violence by the anti-Trump crowd. If Democrats are worried it's because they endorsed a precedent.
 

Bandwagon

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why can't you re-watch videos? to re-reference them .... I'm sure there is probably software to generate transcripts if you really can be arsed

the biggest problem with video atm is that people are censoring it (taking it down) - so you can't even revisit it if you want to prove or disprove it - video relies more heavily on a hosting platform, like youtube, which are controlled, rightly or wrongly, by the people who run them - though there are more independant hosts popping up

video (and audio) is just a different medium - which is more likely to be consumed these days .... which true, makes it more likely to be used as a means of sending something fake (or not fake) viral

Sure you can, It's just easier with the written word. Added to which, a lot of stuff is hyperlinked to sources nowadays, making it easier still.

That in it's self is very revealing sometimes, as you'll see multiple versions of the same stories and can trace them back to same source.
 

Happy MEel

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Probably because you believe that while Democrats are more likely to be smart enough to do it, you also believe they are less likely to be Evil enough, am I right?
No, I believe that both sides are equally likely/unlikely to do it. However, all I’m hearing is whingeing from one side, and that side is losing and is led by a petulant child. Sounds more like sour grapes.
 
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Joshuatheeel

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edit: and my son received early entry to do the same course at the University of Wollongong.

good uni, my daughter just graduated from the same course. Disappointing there was no ceremony due to covid.

my other daughter is in first year there and it’s been tough as everything has been online nothing on campus. Hopefully they go back to face to face next year.
 

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