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Bandwagon

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It doesn't get much more reliable than video evidence. It isn't perfect but it's a damn sight more reliable than a parade of talking heads telling us what happened and what it means, without ever showing us.

Hmm , the thing with video is you still only see what the producer wants you to see, in the context in which they wish to present it, and even then without further supporting evidence, you don't know what you're told you're seeing is what you're seeing.

Now when the producer of said videos has a history such as that of project Veritas and James O'keefe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas - https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_Veritas - then it's pretty much certain that there are a helluva lot more reliable sources of evidence to be found.

Of course you could lay claim as you do to video being more reliable than a bunch of talking heads, such as that which we see on Fox or CNN, and in general I'd probably agree with that, but hey, that's not exactly a high bar to set.

Their basic MO is to target low level employees ( who may or may not be who they say they are ) and through various means lead them into saying something incriminating or immoral, and then attempt to expand that to apply to the entire organisation they are attempting to "sting".

Just had a quick look. I'm not endorsing them but OTOH these are the sort of people who would be reporting this sort of stuff, both real and bullshit. If it's being investigated as they claim then that should tell us more.

You throw enough mud, you'll get enough to stick, and that'll lead to an investigation. I'll tell you what'd be telling, and that is that should an investigation commence, that James Okeefe fronts up to the investigators, supplies his video as evidence, and signs his name to the fact that it is a true and full account of what happened.

If it is indeed a true and full account, he should have no qualms with exposing himself to potential indictment through providing a false statement should it turn out it is neither a true, nor full account.

I wouldn't be holding your breath waiting for that to happen though mate.
 

Bandwagon

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Have they released the metadata behind that video?

genuine question as I don’t know.

Even more important, will they ever release the non edited version, I don't even have to watch it to know that the "interview" will be heavily edited, and that it'll be clumsy enough to be able to pinpoint multiple points in each and every "interview" where that has happened.
 

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Trump’s running commentary is doing nothing for his cause. If they have a legal case for a recount or even a challenge for a state to be re-run, then STFU and let it happen in due course.

For mine, his sole aim is to is to leave office with a cloud over Biden so the ongoing rhetoric for the next 4 years will be that Biden is an illegitimate president, won via nefarious means.

His social media commentary is like BA being on twitter during a match and claiming the ref is cheating every 30 seconds. Like the Eels stands chant “get ‘em on side”.

PS I’m enjoying Fox News right now, sipping on an espresso. upload_2020-11-7_6-54-42.gif
 

Bandwagon

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Trump’s running commentary is doing nothing for his cause. If they have a legal case for a recount or even a challenge for a state to be re-run, then STFU and let it happen in due course.

For mine, his sole aim is to is to leave office with a cloud over Biden so the ongoing rhetoric for the next 4 years will be that Biden is an illegitimate president, won via nefarious means.

His social media commentary is like BA being on twitter during a match and claiming the ref is cheating every 30 seconds. Like the Eels stands chant “get ‘em on side”.

PS I’m enjoying Fox News right now, sipping on an espresso. View attachment 43631

Recounts are automatically available if the loser is within 1% of the vote of the winner, so at this stage PA and GA look fairly likely to have recounts, WI might, AZ could swing late back to Trump enough to, though it looks unlikely, kinda same with NV, though that's more of chance for a recount than is AZ i'd reckon.

Historically recounts rarely lead to a change in result though.

So it seems that Trumps only chance now is to get a number of recounts, and have the SCOTUS rule to have quite a number of votes illegal / ineligible in a number of states.

I should also mention NC won't finish counting till the 12th, and there's potentially enough votes there, if the late swing to Biden repeats it's self, to bring that state to a close enough margin for a recount. Even though at present Trump has a pretty decent looking lead.
 

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I have a cousin who works on Wall Street. He is a really nice guy. A Wollongong boy who married an American lady. He voted for Biden but is a little anxious on what may transpire after the election.
 

Happy MEel

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I think there is truth behind every stereotype. So while most bureaucrats would vote Democrat, most ignorant rural dwellers would vote Republican. Are you pretending there is no merit to the stereotypes? They don't come from nowhere. I absolutely think your stereotype about Republican voters being less informed is on the money. Are you really trying to 'both sides' this? As though the types of people who become bureaucrats or rednecks are equally likely to vote for either US party?

It's no conspiracy. All the data points to Democrat and Republican voters skewing along several very distinct lines. I'm sure some bureaucrats vote Republican but I'm equally sure the numbers are significantly fewer than for Democrats. Likewise there would be plenty of dopey welfare parasites living in cities who vote blue, but these would represent a significantly smaller portion of Dem voters than their rural 'cousins' would for the Republicans.
No, I generally accept there are truths to the stereotypes, what I’m having a hard time believing is that these would have one side more susceptible to voter fraud than the other.
 

strider

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I have a cousin who works on Wall Street. He is a really nice guy. A Wollongong boy who married an American lady. He voted for Biden but is a little anxious on what may transpire after the election.
As in share crash? Or something else?
 

strider

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Hmm , the thing with video is you still only see what the producer wants you to see, in the context in which they wish to present it, and even then without further supporting evidence, you don't know what you're told you're seeing is what you're seeing.

Agree .... and there is absolutely no difference with mainstream - they pick and choose what and how they want to present it .... i genuinely dont know if there are entirely reliable sources any more. MSM is as much about keeping their jobs these days as telling you the facts
 

Gary Gutful

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Agree .... and there is absolutely no difference with mainstream - they pick and choose what and how they want to present it .... i genuinely dont know if there are entirely reliable sources any more. MSM is as much about keeping their jobs these days as telling you the facts
Everyone is forced to view things from multiple sources and make their own judgement, though many deadshits aren’t capable of that.
 

strider

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Violence in the country.
Oh right ... yeah for sure. Tell him to come back to the tranquil south coast.

The thing i find weird tho, is that there has been more concern shown that the Republicans will go nuts if they lose than the other way ..... i think it was always just as big a chance, probably moreso the other way, purely cos of the passionate hate of trump.

But then there is also the fact that in the USA, anything is a good excuse to riot.
 

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