Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[Black Magik]

3 of those still unsigned. Agree that deals for Luai & Yeo should get done but not sure you can count Leniu as more than 50/50.

Probably should add Api to your list too.

Probably keep Kiks too...

 

[Abacus]

You moved the goalpost you moron. 2 or 3 changes for 2021 is absolutely true and that is what they were specifically talking about. Then you come in with this 2022 rubbish with your own comments being inaccurate acting like you've made some great point.

How far up your arse is your head? Keeping blokes from 2020 to 2021 WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY ON CONTRACT requires no edfort by management. Retention starts WHEN SIGNING PLAYERS BEYOND THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT. So far our results on extending beyond current contracts is poor.

 

[betcats]

I like the way this implies you know what constitutes good cap management.

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No it doesnt at all. Ive said many times that it is an extremely difficult thing to manage and people are to critical. Ive been at losing blokes before sure but generally I have acknowledged its a tough job which a million different factors to consider.

 

[betcats]

How far up your arse is your head? Keeping blokes from 2020 to 2021 WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY ON CONTRACT requires no edfort by management. Retention starts WHEN SIGNING PLAYERS BEYOND THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT. So far our results on extending beyond current contracts is poor.

Stfu idiot. The comment you quoted was talking about who is still here in 2021. f**king dumb merkin.

 

[franklin2323]

Exactly. The storm have 10 or 11 players off contract next season, another 10 in 2022 which is the exact same as us not small names for the storm either, pretty much all their big names except for munster are off contract in the next two years. People have no idea what constitutes good management of a salary cap half the time, they just grab some arbitrary number and use it as proof our management has been terrible.

Yep. They are the best to use as a gauge due to finishing up with us and having the same issues we do

 

[MugaB]

No it doesnt at all. Ive said many times that it is an extremely difficult thing to manage and people are to critical. Ive been at losing blokes before sure but generally I have acknowledged its a tough job which a million different factors to consider.

Add 15 other clubs vying for the same squad, plus ESL, and factor by a individual player managers, that want a piece of each movement, then there's also form/age, next rookie push for THAT same exact position (aka Burton)
I reckon Matt Cameron aswel as the retention commitee have done well, considering only burton has gone, without their consent, but all the rest of the squad are intact, barr the players that they themselves have moved on..

Our club has more obstacles than any other, due to the nusery aspect, most other clubs just throw money at players and hope it sticks, we atleast hope that the effort of local talent keeps us not only competitive, but sustains the clubs influence over the competition

 

[franklin2323]

I like the way this implies you know what constitutes good cap management.

In essence you want to keep the players you need for success, at the best price possible. Which typically means locking them up before they hit the open market (especially during a good season). We've failed to do this & are going to pay the price through higher costs per player.

Everyone is in the same boat though. That is what people ignore. Several factors out of the clubs control which other sides are feeling the same thing.

If it was just us then I would agree but we don’t even have a cap figure yet for starters. So how can we judge until we see the final squad?

 

[WestyLife]

3 of those still unsigned. Agree that deals for Luai & Yeo should get done but not sure you can count Leniu as more than 50/50.

Probably should add Api to your list too.

Yes I missed Api my mistake. Just going for a core of

Spine
A couple of middles. If we don't get Lenui Leota would be that guy I guess.

Probably keep Kiks too...

Kikua I have in the "Good to keep but not on overs" group.

For anyone outside the spine and a few middles you'll want to set an upper limit in my opinion. Say Kikau wants $800k on his next deal because of his reputation but Capewell will stay for $400k - $500k. You'd take Capewell but if Kikau is willing to stay for say $600k well then you let him have that.

The numbers are obviously hypothetical but the point should be clear.

 

[Abacus]

Stfu idiot. The comment you quoted was talking about who is still here in 2021. f**king dumb merkin.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of talking retention in terms of 2021. The 2021 squad will be ok because these guys were already contracted. Guys off contract after 2021 (Crichton, Leniu, Luai, Yeo, Capewell, Burton, Laurie, etc) are where the action is. Our results with these are poor so far.

 

[franklin2323]

Add 15 other clubs vying for the same squad, plus ESL, and factor by a individual player managers, that want a piece of each movement, then there's also form/age, next rookie push for THAT same exact position (aka Burton)
I reckon Matt Cameron aswel as the retention commitee have done well, considering only burton has gone, without their consent, but all the rest of the squad are intact, barr the players that they themselves have moved on..

Our club has more obstacles than any other, due to the nusery aspect, most other clubs just throw money at players and hope it sticks, we atleast hope that the effort of local talent keeps us not only competitive, but sustains the clubs influence over the competition

Yep. Throw in no cap figure from next season on. Later end to the season and so on

 

[franklin2323]

Pointing out the hypocrisy of talking retention in terms of 2021. The 2021 squad will be ok because these guys were already contracted. Guys off contract after 2021 (Crichton, Leniu, Luai, Yeo, Capewell, Burton, Laurie, etc) are where the action is. Our results with these are poor so far.

Using what basis to judge it from though? Easy to say it is poor but what basis is used to say it

 

[Jane Murray]

Everyone is in the same boat though. That is what people ignore. Several factors out of the clubs control which other sides are feeling the same thing.

If it was just us then I would agree but we don’t even have a cap figure yet for starters. So how can we judge until we see the final squad?

It is for this reason, that I think the recent signings could bite the Bulldogs hard. If the rumoured price for Matt Burton is true, that is a hell of a lot of money.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Well Alice you are in the 99% camp.

Please forgive me if I don’t share your views and the views of others.

I think our management has performed less than acceptable.

We should have done better and frankly if Gould were still our GM we wouldn’t be having these conversations.

I disagree. If Gould was still boss, probably get done for salary cap miss management. Look at the players we lost mid term when he was here.....Merrin springs to mind. Jennings, Lewis huge payouts.

Gould's results re bottom line of cap management no better nor worse than Matt Cameron.

 

[Abacus]

Everyone is in the same boat though. That is what people ignore. Several factors out of the clubs control which other sides are feeling the same thing.

If it was just us then I would agree but we don’t even have a cap figure yet for starters. So how can we judge until we see the final squad?

Except we have a group of young guys that other teams will be targeting following 2020. Who gives a crap if teams outside the 8 have players off contract.
If the club comes out in the next few weeks & says we've retained 3 of Yeo, Luai, Leniu, Capewell & Crichton beyond 2021, I'll happily eat my words. Doesn't change the fact that a few of these guys could have been extended before 1 November - even if the contract includes a clause that the agreed salary represents x% of the salary cap, actual payments to be adjusted once cap value is confirmed.

 

[Abacus]

Using what basis to judge it from though? Easy to say it is poor but what basis is used to say it

On the basis that Laurie & Burton are gone, Crichton & Leniu are 50/50 (maybe 60/40) & then we've got 3 origin players to sign in Yeo, Luai & Capewell (I think we'll be unable to retain Capewell).
Obviously we've got the 2021 season to secure the players we want that are off contract after 2022, but there's a lot of work to do to sure up the 2022 squad.
It may just be the difference between how Gus operated but we seem to have gone a long way in the opposite direction.

 

[Jane Murray]

On the basis that Laurie & Burton are gone, Crichton & Leniu are 50/50 (maybe 60/40) & then we've got 3 origin players to sign in Yeo, Luai & Capewell (I think we'll be unable to retain Capewell).
Obviously we've got the 2021 season to secure the players we want that are off contract after 2022, but there's a lot of work to do to sure up the 2022 squad.
It may just be the difference between how Gus operated but we seem to have gone a long way in the opposite direction.

Capewell only managed to play 9, yes 9, first grade games this year. We have managed without him, and we will do so again, if he leaves.

 

[ACTPanthers]

f**k me. The average IQ around here is seriously f**king low...

 

[Jane Murray]

f**k me. The average IQ around here is seriously f**king low...

Be kind to yourself, for once.

 

[WestyLife]

f**k me. The average IQ around here is seriously f**king low...

Think there's a bit of needless panic more than being dumb. Particularly with Crichton/Lenui being 50/50. I'm kind of worried about them two going but in the end I default to this position>

Yes I missed Api my mistake. Just going for a core of

Spine
A couple of middles. If we don't get Lenui Leota would be that guy I guess.



Kikua I have in the "Good to keep but not on overs" group.

For anyone outside the spine and a few middles you'll want to set an upper limit in my opinion. Say Kikau wants $800k on his next deal because of his reputation but Capewell will stay for $400k - $500k. You'd take Capewell but if Kikau is willing to stay for say $600k well then you let him have that.

The numbers are obviously hypothetical but the point should be clear.

 

[The_Frog]

For anyone outside the spine and a few middles you'll want to set an upper limit in my opinion. Say Kikau wants $800k on his next deal because of his reputation but Capewell will stay for $400k - $500k. You'd take Capewell but if Kikau is willing to stay for say $600k well then you let him have that.

The numbers are obviously hypothetical but the point should be clear.

Managers being what they are, expect Capewell to be looking for more money following the Origin series he had.