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Poupou Escobar

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The information he provided was that she helped him in the act of pulling her pants down which is obviously an act of consent after which she would sensibly then need to say "no, I've changed my mind stop" making it clear which it was under the old common sense law but arguably isnt under this new stupid emotional law. So stop talking utter shit.
How did he know she didn't want to have sex if she gave an "act of consent"? Mate, he gave himself away as soon as he admitted she said no. There's no partial sex under the new rules and no partial consent.
 

T-Boon

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How did he know she didn't want to have sex if she gave an "act of consent"? Mate, he gave himself away as soon as he admitted she said no. There's no partial sex under the new rules and no partial consent.

Are you really arguing that a girl pulling her pants down at that stage isnt an act of consent? Everyone agrees that the blood is what stopped things after that.
GO back to what you said earlier and my response to it and see the stupidity of your comment for what it is.
 

T-Boon

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Well, neither of us actually sat through the trial and heard all of the presented evidence. So who knows what is 'reasonable doubt'. Intuitively I sorta agree with you, but it's not a very well-informed hunch.

It was one of the most publicised court cases in NSW history. So I dont think there was much the jury knew that we didnt. The police had the whole story in front of the jury pool 2 years ago and each day of the trial there were almost as many media in the court room as jury members so I doubt they had much we didnt have - except demeanour and such.
 
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It was one of the most publicised court cases in NSW history. So I dont think there was much the jury knew that we didnt. The police had the whole story in front of the jury pool 2 years ago and each day of the trial there were almost as many media in the court room as jury members so I doubt they had much we didnt have - except demeanour and such.

Seriously, how would you know what you don't know? The media never report the full proceedings in the order and context in which they occured (they can't). They report the highlights. That is not the same thing as sitting through the boring stuff and the less dry stuff.
 

Poupou Escobar

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The pulling down of the pants was after the no so unless you are saying a person cannot change their mind (for the third time in this girls case) you are just being stupid.
People surely can change their mind, some of them many times. But as soon as a person has said no to sex you're pretty much f**ked if they then say yes and then decide they meant no after the fact. In 2021 men need to be careful.
At least in terms of trying to hang Hayne on his own evidence. Which is stupid of course because his own barrister of emmense experience would not hang him out to dry like that.
It is the job of lawyers to 'undo' the coaching of opposition witnesses when they get them up on the stand. This would've been Hayne's "barrister of emmense experience" watching him under cross-examination:

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T-Boon

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Hayne said it during his examination in chief.not cross examination. His story didn’t change during cross. If it did the first jury would not have been hung.

I’d prefer to leave this topic alone now as I have tried to since the verdict.
 

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