Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Go hide behind your wifes skirt merkin.

Really? I thought we were all tough guys on the internet? Or is that just you?

 

[emjaycee]

well you made the allegation, I thought you may be privy to our finances

a recent article that was posted here said it would cost a fair bit to do that and we have a cap on what we can spend

do we sell a player to pay BA out, how would you do it ?

You cannot sell (or underspend in your player salary cap) a player to fund what you spend/overspend on your non-playing football costs as the two caps are different and not combined.

Coaching staff, medical staff, football administration staff, training facilities and equipment all need to come from the same football operations cap so yes, if we pay out BA and pay a new coach, then both costs need to be come from the same capped budget or a fee (I think 30%) paid to the NRL for the overspend.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How many juniors do you guys lose prior to atleast getting 2yrs of NRL out of? Not many.
Under BA we've had 12 who are playing NRL elsewhere. While one we bought back after letting go and paid overs for in Matterson.
In 8yrs there is 3 in our squad who have been bought thru via BA AND 13 LET GO.
Brown,Mahoney,Kafusi.

Right there is our problem. Nothing's changed. We are no closer now then 10yrs ago tbh.

But neither was Penrith the first time Cleary was there. Why wasn't he a good enough coach then but he is now? The only reason to bring him back is to try to retain their star halfback without overpaying him. Penrith improved because their roster improved, not because they sacked Griffin.

 

[IFR33K]

Really? I thought we were all tough guys on the internet? Or is that just you?

Nah mate not me. I’m the type that’ll run my mouth here and hide from fellow posters when I see them.

 

[Chipmunk]

Ayoub agrees to park negotiations
There was undeniable tension between the Eels and Gutherson’s manager, Sam Ayoub, last week. Coincidentally, it comes after others noted that Ayoub missed out on securing Brad Arthur’s son, Jake, as a client.
Ayoub and the Eels last week agreed to park negotiations with Gutherson, which began early in the season, until after the finals given the undue pressure it placed on Parramatta’s No.1 last week.

Why would Jake Arthur consider a different manager to Brad Arthur?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you are sacking BA today and hiring Flanno tomorrow, how will we pay for it knowing we have to pay BA's contract for next year, then there is his backup staff

*dancers

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nah mate not me. I’m the type that’ll run my mouth here and hide from fellow posters when I see them.

Well you wouldn't want to get f**ken bashed! It's not much fun, believe you me.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And yet we are usually right and you are usually wrong.

What have you ever been right about?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So, doesn't mean he would have gotten them to the point that they are now. It could have gone another way. But we will never know definitively. I though think Cleary is a much more superior coach.

Griffin has a better win rate and has won just as many premierships. But he is related to fewer Origin halfbacks.

 

[hindy111]

BA has done great things for our club. And I'd like to remember him for that. The longer he stays I fear those memories will be replaced with all the bad he has done.

 

[hineyrulz]

What have you ever been right about?

He’s been right about you being wrong, keep up FFS!!

 

[hineyrulz]

Well you wouldn't want to get f**ken bashed! It's not much fun, believe you me.

Pou is the bitch of the Aquarium

 

[TheRam]

well you made the allegation, I thought you may be privy to our finances

a recent article that was posted here said it would cost a fair bit to do that and we have a cap on what we can spend

do we sell a player to pay BA out, how would you do it ?

What allegation mate? That we have a coach that is now toxic or that we should sack him? Both are in my opinion correct.

Oh so now you pay credence to articles? Funny that, when it suits you, what they say is legit.

The way we pay him is the way every other club in the history of the sport have paid their dud coaches when they had to. Didn't say it was ideal mate, but it is the better option then leaving a bloke in that will from this point on only drag the club down. Shit happens that we don't like mate. We need to deal with it the way the likes of the Roosters would and not let it fester.

We are now in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. It needs to be fixed sooner then later. Our ability to recruit for next year will depend on it. If we cut the cancer out quickly and appoint a coach that other players see as a positive, then we may have the chance of turning things around quickly and even sign a decent back or two, giving the new coach ample time to assess and recruit. Otherwise we will probably go into next season with the same issues as we have now and a deeper hole that will be much harder to climb out of.

Perception is everything in this business and the perception right now is that we have a coach that can't get us any further and actually has totally run out of ideas.

A loss against the Cowboys will not see us brought to our knees, we are there already, but will bring us to our bellies with a face plant to boot and all and sundry will be putting in knees, knives and axes. It will be horrific.

If we win, things won't change much from where we are right now, everyone will wait for the next game, knowing that it was just a week stay of execution and the media slaughter will continue. This is not the way to run a club. We need a management team that doesn't allow our club to be dragged through the media ringer like this. They know he is gone, so why delay? Bad management if they do. Being slow and indecisive about things like this is just plain bad.

We need to be better then this. A great management team that had a coach like ours that has had a question mark hanging over his head for a while now as to him being able to take the team to the next level and many experts and pundits in the media all saying that they wanted to see how Parra would perform at the end of the season due to our less then stellar history under this coach, should secretly have a plan of options in case such a scenario were to happen. You know, in case of emergency, brake glass. But what has been their response so far? Write a letter to the fans reassuring them with tripe.

For starters with his record, his extended contract should have been similar to Hasler's with a million clauses in our favour, just for such a pear shaped end of season eventuality happening, which was always a distinct possibility. Anyway are the Muppets capable of acting fast on their feet or are we going to see this drag on till November/December? If it drags on we will end up with a crappy backline again next season, unless we get real lucky and the juniors step up.

 

[TheRam]

Really? I thought we were all tough guys on the internet? Or is that just you?

Good come back merkin.

 

[emjaycee]

BA has done great things for our club. And I'd like to remember him for that. The longer he stays I fear those memories will be replaced with all the bad he has done.

Personally I don't think BA is the coach to lead us to premiership glory, and to do so next year he would need a major overhaul of his tactics and skill level, but I would think his legacy at Parramatta whether he leaves at the end of this year or next, would be of a coach who took us from consecutive wooden spoons to a consistent top 8 team after 5 years, including leading us through the salary cap debacle and the "darkest days of the clubs history".

Not every fan is as dedicated as those of us who post here - the majority don't follow the game, the players or the coach to the same level and therefore only look at the big picture (where did we finish).

They remember Gibson as the coach that got us our first premiership(s), they remember Monie as "the guy that took over from Gibson", they remember Peard, Cronin and Hilditch as players not coaches, Smith as the coach that got us to finals but not premierships, Kearney as the guy that ruined us, and Ricky as a prick. Dare I say it, most wouldn't remember or care to remember Hagan and Anderson.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Oh sorry, I didn't know we were on deaths door financially. Please elaborate. We have no money?

If the club wanted a top tier coach why would they re-sign Arthur at a discount? The fact he is on less proves he knows he's not a top coach, and the club knows it too. Why would they suddenly decide they need the best when there's no guarantee it would lead to a premiership?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

But some genius here told us the roosters punted Pearce and got Cronk, and that Cronk was actually cheaper. And that’s how they were able to buy Tedesco.

That article proves nothing about how much Cronk or Pearce was paid. They are speculating about who was in the five highest paid halfbacks. Learn to read ffs

As for Tedesco, the money had to come from somewhere. Just coincidence Pearce left at the same time?

 

[TheRam]

You cannot sell (or underspend in your player salary cap) a player to fund what you spend/overspend on your non-playing football costs as the two caps are different and not combined.

Coaching staff, medical staff, football administration staff, training facilities and equipment all need to come from the same football operations cap so yes, if we pay out BA and pay a new coach, then both costs need to be come from the same capped budget or a fee (I think 30%) paid to the NRL for the overspend.

Seeing that the new non player salary cap is set at $5m now, I don't think that we would be at such a huge disadvantage if at all compared to clubs like Storm or Roosters. Remember we resigned BA at a cut price of his previous deal and he is on about half of what the best are on and in the Roosters and Storm cases he is on about a 3rd of what they are who were reported to be on around $1.5m a season.

So if we boned him and hired say Flanno on something similar we are still good as far as non player spending goes. If the top clubs can have a great football department setup with what they are paying their head coach, then I don't see why it should adversely affect us for one season to be paying for two coaches. We still will be able to spend well on assistants and the like.

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[Poupou Escobar]

Both are in my opinion correct.

Ah, I see

 

[TheRam]

But neither was Penrith the first time Cleary was there. Why wasn't he a good enough coach then but he is now? The only reason to bring him back is to try to retain their star halfback without overpaying him. Penrith improved because their roster improved, not because they sacked Griffin.

You do realise that he is reported to be on $1m right?