NRL2 Second Division

[Colk]

Are you on crack?! There's 6 Brisbane teams in qld cup & 3 further about an hours or so away.

Yeah, interstate & international travel increases costs for feeder league.

Interesting turn of phrase from somebody who whinges about being mistreated here and constantly threatens to take a break from these forums because of it. A tad hypocritical perhaps?

In any case, I thought you were referring to the NRL competition and I apologise for the misapprehension. Although, I will add, you would have obviously been aware of this misapprehension and chose to address this misapprehension in a completely disingenuous fashion.

 

[Canard]

Ideally to give it genuine legitimacy it would be a stand alone comp. Basically NRL has its own 17 reserve grade sides then NRL2 made up of new cities without professional teams and elevation of some of the QRL and NSW cup teams to Ft stand alone clubs. Doesn't stop NRL signing players from NRL2 if they have talent but doesn't act as a pseudo reserve grade that takes away interest and fairness as a genuine comp worth winning in its own right.

NRL reserve grade would be made up of the 13 players not in first team plus U21 players.

I dont think there are many sports around the world that dont have some version of a stand alone second tier?

Virtually every sport that's not Football (Soccer) doesn't.

They all have a version of a feeder competition that has direct links to the major professional competition, however.

I still fail to see why a competition that provides a pathway for players to get to the NRL is any problem whatsoever.

 

[MugaB]

So ,its your belief, that a separate Rugby League competition could be successful, as long as it has no links to the NRL??

Welcome to the NRLW people

 

[Canard]

Of course this hairbrained idea is reliant on NRL having the ability to generate the same sort of revenue that AFL does. If it can close that $250mill a year gap then there is no reason the NRl couldn't afford to expand to 18 clubs and bring in a 12 club NRL2 AND help NRL clubs fund a proper reserve grade. The NRL can then go up to 20 club when it feels ready by promoting two clubs out of NRL 2, they then get replaced with the next 2 strategic importnat areas in NRL2.

Imagine an extra 240 FT positions available for aspiring or winding down RL players. Maybe a standard wage of $100k per player and each club is allowed 4 marquee signings on $250k each for a $3mill salary cap. I wonder how many talented players currently lost to the game either because they retired early or weren't picked up by NRL contracts would still be playing if that was a career option for them?

Those positions exist now in the State Leagues and the bigger regional competitions with cashed up clubs like Cairns Brothers in the CDRL.

 

[MugaB]

Still haven't articulated why anybody would watch 2nd division but I guess it all makes sense in ur head..

Coz perth ....duh!!!

 

[Perth Red]

Those positions exist now in the State Leagues and the bigger regional competitions with cashed up clubs like Cairns Brothers in the CDRL.

How many clubs are FT? And again the comp hold no real interest as it is seriously comprised in its integrity by being a pseudo reserve grade comp. Stack you team with NRL reserve grade players and win the title, then next year no reserve graders and down the table you go. Its not legit. QRL is better than NSW cup but its still stacked when you've got NRL partnerships stacking the teams.

 

[Perth Red]

Virtually every sport that's not Football (Soccer) doesn't.

They all have a version of a feeder competition that has direct links to the major professional competition, however.

I still fail to see why a competition that provides a pathway for players to get to the NRL is any problem whatsoever.

Cant be arsed to look but pretty sure most of the main stream comps have a genuine second tier comp of some sort in the country. RL in England, AF and Baseball in USA, Basketball in Europe,

Its not a problem for a reserve grade comp, it is for a genuine comp you want to use to grow the game beyond just the 17 clubs in the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

Coz perth ....duh!!!

and cairns and Adelaide and Suva and Wellington and Christchurch and NS and Newtown and Gosford and anywhere else that would like a professional RL club in a genuine comp to support.

 

[Colk]

Ideally to give it genuine legitimacy it would be a stand alone comp. Basically NRL has its own 17 reserve grade sides then NRL2 made up of new cities without professional teams and elevation of some of the QRL and NSW cup teams to Ft stand alone clubs. Doesn't stop NRL signing players from NRL2 if they have talent but doesn't act as a pseudo reserve grade that takes away interest and fairness as a genuine comp worth winning in its own right.

NRL reserve grade would be made up of the 13 players not in first team plus U21 players.

I dont think there are many sports around the world that dont have some version of a stand alone second tier?

True but those competitions/sports don’t also have a reserve grade competition which already acts as the second tier competition. The closest thing that this idea is to is the US minor leagues in baseball, particularly if you are not going to use it as a form of promotion/relegation.

In order for it to work, you would have to change the role that NSW/QLD Cup teams play in relation to the NRL. Otherwise, the structure would mean that players picked up from thid competition would be dumped into the NSW Cup/QLD Cup competition, so evidently it would be akin to a third tier

 

[MugaB]

and cairns and Adelaide and Suva and Wellington and Christchurch and NS and Newtown and Gosford and anywhere else that would like a professional RL club in a genuine comp to support.

Will be no different to the reserve grade now in terms of NRL playing stock and how the clubs will consume them, regardless of the top 30 players etc... which already wrecks the notion that its a professional comp, only difference is that those areas mentioned wil get some representation, and have a better chance to build up their strengths to play against the better more established current QRL/NSWRL clubs, but after televising about 3-4 NRL2 games of perth getting whipped 70 blot by the hunters, devils or bears, people won't care about it and switch back to the AFLW

 

[Perth Red]

True but those competitions/sports don’t also have a reserve grade competition which already acts as the second tier competition. The closest thing that this idea is to is the US minor leagues in baseball, particularly if you are not going to use it as a form of promotion/relegation.

In order for it to work, you would have to change the role that NSW/QLD Cup teams play in relation to the NRL. Otherwise, the structure would mean that players picked up from thid competition would be dumped into the NSW Cup/QLD Cup competition, so evidently it would be akin to a third tier

In my model there would be no QRL and NSW cup
Basically it'd be:
NRL FT + NRL reserve grade sides (FT + best U21's) $11mill cap
NRL2 FT $3mill cap
amateur third tier state based comps, you could include a end of season Challenge cup interstate or maybe interstate playoffs for these teams as well.

 

[Perth Red]

Will be no different to the reserve grade now in terms of NRL playing stock and how the clubs will consume them, regardless of the top 30 players etc... which already wrecks the notion that its a professional comp, only difference is that those areas mentioned wil get some representation, and have a better chance to build up their strengths to play against the better more established current QRL/NSWRL clubs, but after televising about 3-4 NRL2 games of perth getting whipped 70 blot by the hunters, devils or bears, people won't care about it and switch back to the AFLW

With the same cap and grant system why would Perth get whipped? With a direct pathway to FT training and decent coaching there's no reason any team couldnt be competitive. They'd all be signing players from around the world as well to bolster the ranks. More PNG and Islands players for example would get opportunity to play FT. Might take a few years to bring our own through but no reason to believe Perth and other non traditional RL cities wouldn't be competitive.

 

[Colk]

In my model there would be no QRL and NSW cup
Basically it'd be:
NRL FT + NRL reserve grade sides (FT + best U21's) $11mill cap
NRL2 FT $3mill cap
amateur third tier state based comps, you could include a end of season Challenge cup interstate or maybe interstate playoffs for these teams as well.

If you get rid of NRL Reserve Grade, then that model might work. You’d have to go down to something like a 22 man squad, however

Then it would be like the minor league set up or similar, wherein players playing in NRL minors or 2’s or whatever can get picked up by any major club when injuries strike.

 

[MugaB]

With the same cap and grant system why would Perth get whipped? With a direct pathway to FT training and decent coaching there's no reason any team couldnt be competitive. They'd all be signing players from around the world as well to bolster the ranks. More PNG and Islands players for example would get opportunity to play FT. Might take a few years to bring our own through but no reason to believe Perth and other non traditional RL cities wouldn't be competitive.

These "cheap" players are already in their local areas playing for the hunters, silktails, bears, capras etc... they ain't going to perth to get paid fk all under a budget salary cap,
Thats why you're getting flogged 70 blot by the established clubs, theyve got a head start on you, not just on recruitment but local talent, some of them clubs been running around by over a century, and then even when you do start building momentum and win games those up and comers aren't staying at the pirates when they can play for the roosters, for tripple the wage

 

[Perth Red]

These "cheap" players are already in their local areas playing for the hunters, silktails, bears, capras etc... they ain't going to perth to get paid fk all under a budget salary cap,
Thats why you're getting flogged 70 blot by the established clubs, theyve got a head start on you, not just on recruitment but local talent, some of them clubs been running around by over a century, and then even when you do start building momentum and win games those up and comers aren't staying at the pirates when they can play for the roosters, for tripple the wage

That wont be an issue when the cap is same for everyone though will it? Perth could be quite an attractive opportunity to move to for some players.

We get flogged in SG Ball as the side runs on an oily rag compared to the pokie funded competition its up against and our best kids get snaffled by clubs with a direct NRL pathway. Neither of those will be such an issue in an NRL2. In fact a Perth club could be one of the better funded. No problem if players move from NRL2 up to NRL, that would be one of the benefits of having an extra 240 FT players across the countries, will give more exposure to talent that might otherwsie leave the game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Since NRL1 was born out of the NSWRL and caters to the history and traditions of the NSWRL clubs, NRL2 should be based on the BRL/Queensland Cup and its teams' history and traditions. That means Newtown Jets and Western Suburbs Magpies can enter, but only if they change their names. North Sydney can remain as the Bears as there's no need for Burleigh to be in this competition when the Titans are just a few KMs away. I don't see the need for Sydney Wests to be in it.

Adelaide Rams
Brisbane Firehawks
Cairns Cyclones
Central Coast RLFC
Central Queensland Capras
Fiji RLFC
Illawarra Steelers
Ipswich Jets
Logan Magpies
Mackay Cutters
New Caledonia XIII
Newtown RLFC
North Sydney Bears
PNG Hunters
Sunshine Coast Falcons
West Coast Pirates

 

[Perth Red]

Ill

Since NRL1 was born out of the NSWRL and caters to the history and traditions of the NSWRL clubs, NRL2 should be based on the BRL/Queensland Cup and its teams' history and traditions. That means Newtown Jets and Western Suburbs Magpies can enter, but only if they change their names. North Sydney can remain as the Bears as there's no need for Burleigh to be in this competition when the Titans are just a few KMs away. I don't see the need for Sydney Wests to be in it.

Adelaide Rams
Brisbane Firehawks
Cairns Cyclones
Central Coast RLFC
Central Queensland Capras
Fiji RLFC
Illawarra Steelers
Ipswich Jets
Logan Magpies
Mackay Cutters
New Caledonia XIII
Newtown RLFC
North Sydney Bears
PNG Hunters
Sunshine Coast Falcons
West Coast Pirates

Illawarra has an nrl club

 

[Pippen94]

Cant be arsed to look but pretty sure most of the main stream comps have a genuine second tier comp of some sort in the country. RL in England, AF and Baseball in USA, Basketball in Europe,

Its not a problem for a reserve grade comp, it is for a genuine comp you want to use to grow the game beyond just the 17 clubs in the NRL.

NFL doesn't have a secondary comp at all. Baseball has minor leagues but they heavily divided by region to reduce travel. NBA has g league but squads much smaller & teams located in random towns. Also, teams act as feeders to NBA franchises

 

[Pippen94]

and cairns and Adelaide and Suva and Wellington and Christchurch and NS and Newtown and Gosford and anywhere else that would like a professional RL club in a genuine comp to support.

2nd division will never be bigger than NSW cup or qld or kiwi comp which already exist..

 

[Pippen94]

Interesting turn of phrase from somebody who whinges about being mistreated here and constantly threatens to take a break from these forums because of it. A tad hypocritical perhaps?

In any case, I thought you were referring to the NRL competition and I apologise for the misapprehension. Although, I will add, you would have obviously been aware of this misapprehension and chose to address this misapprehension in a completely disingenuous fashion.

Are you Perth red's hype man or maybe even socket puppet?! Seem to defend everything he says including crazy stuff like his 2nd division..