Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[Joshuatheeel]

It is interesting who the back up halves are at all the clubs.
Panthers - Sean O'Sullivan, then Jaeman Salmon and Kurt Falls as other options
Cowboys - Ben Hampton, but it is more likely that Drinkwater is moved from Fullback, with either the Hammer or Val Holmes put into Fullback, and the other playing centre.
Sharks - Connor Treacy (who is on the wing) or Brayden Trindall
Storm - Cooper Johns or Tyran Wishart
Souths - Kodi Nikorima, Dean Hawkins or Blake Taaffe
Roosters - Drew Hutchison or Adam Keighran
Raiders - Matt Frawley, Brad Shneider (Sam Williams retired mid season)
Broncos - Albert Kelly, Tyson Gamble or Tyrone Roberts
Dragons - Jayden Sullivan or Moses Mbye
Manly - Josh Schuster or Dylan Walker
Dogs - Brandon Wakeham, Bailey Biondi-Odo or Zac Docker Clay
Newcastle - Jake Clifford or Phoenix Crossland
Warriors - Likely move Walsh into the halves, but Ash Taylor was bought as the back up half before retiring
Titans - Tanah Boyd and Paul Turner
Tigers - Jock Madden and Nu Brown, but have three halves in their first choice 17 (Douehi, Brooks and Hastings)

It is obviously subjective, but some of these players aren't probably considered better than our back up half Jake Arthur.

However, what is telling, is that we are the only club in the NRL, who's only back up option for either position in the halves, without weakening another position, is essentially a Jersey Flegg eligible player. In fact, no other club has a half in the bowels of their depth chart who is still eligible for Jersey Flegg.

This for mine, is a disgraceful decision to allow this situation to occur, and in my view is almost a sackable offence for those in charge of recruitment and retention.

Now that’s a good post for a discussion…

I reckon a few of those players are pretty average options….or even genuine options..

However yeah we may need another half back up.

And the club have tried to look for options last few years , Rankin (not interested), Lamb and Field, without much luck.

So what options are there? Who wouId you look at? There aren’t much out…who could we genuinely look at?

I did mention previously last year maybe (I think I did), Clune wouId potentially be an option but isn’t available. Who else?

Johns? Crossland?

 

[King-Gutho94]

No matter what happens in the next 2 or 3 weeks Jake needs to be loaned out to another club next season for 12 months.

It's the best move for all parties. Jake gets away from his father shadow where he gets picked without the feeling he is giving special favours.

Jake is on a hiding to nothing pulling on the parra jersey while ever his dad is here.

Let's see how Jake goes in another system and develop. He can come potentially back in 2024.

Multiple Clubs were supposedly chasing him a month ago before the August 1 deadline so let's see surely nothing has changed in a month where clubs would have turned off him.

 

[Chipmunk]

Now that’s a good post for a discussion…

I reckon a few of those players at pretty average options….or even genuine options..

However yeah we may need another half back up.

And the club have tried to look for options last few years , Rankin (not interested), Lamb and Field, without much luck.

So what options are there? Who wouId you look at? There aren’t much out…who could we genuinely look at?

i did mention previously last year maybe (I think I did), Clune wouId potentially be an option. Who else?

Who was Lamb?

The departure of Will Smith, and the fact that he wasn't replaced, is probably where all this shit fell into place.

We have sufficient back up options in the outside backs and forwards, but I think a high calibre 14, who can fill in at dummy half for 15 minutes, but who can also play 1, 6 and 7, is imperative for next season with Hodgson coming.

There are definitely a few on that list of back ups that are worth considering for that role. Tyrone Roberts I think is one who could do the job at a fair price. Moses Mbye definitely, but wouldn't come cheap. Jake Clifford potentially. Ben Hampton maybe. Adam Clune for sure, but that would likely need Luke Brooks to go to the Knights.

Can we get a recognised half, who can play 14, who can be converted to a 9 once Hogdson departs? We need to be planning for Hodgson's departure now...

I'm sure there are options from that list I posted.

 

[Chipmunk]

No matter what happens in the next 2 or 3 weeks Jake needs to be loaned out to another club next season for 12 months.

It's the best move for all parties. Jake gets away from his father shadow where he gets picked without the feeling he is giving special favours.

Jake is on a hiding to nothing pulling on the parra jersey while ever his dad is here.

Let's see how Jake goes in another system and develop. He can come potentially back in 2024.

Multiple Clubs were supposedly chasing him a month ago before the August 1 deadline so let's see surely nothing has changed in a month where clubs would have turned off him.

I think this would be a good move.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It is interesting who the back up halves are at all the clubs.
Panthers - Sean O'Sullivan, then Jaeman Salmon and Kurt Falls as other options
Cowboys - Ben Hampton, but it is more likely that Drinkwater is moved from Fullback, with either the Hammer or Val Holmes put into Fullback, and the other playing centre.
Sharks - Connor Treacy (who is on the wing) or Brayden Trindall
Storm - Cooper Johns or Tyran Wishart
Souths - Kodi Nikorima, Dean Hawkins or Blake Taaffe
Roosters - Drew Hutchison or Adam Keighran
Raiders - Matt Frawley, Brad Shneider (Sam Williams retired mid season)
Broncos - Albert Kelly, Tyson Gamble or Tyrone Roberts
Dragons - Jayden Sullivan or Moses Mbye
Manly - Josh Schuster or Dylan Walker
Dogs - Brandon Wakeham, Bailey Biondi-Odo or Zac Docker Clay
Newcastle - Jake Clifford or Phoenix Crossland
Warriors - Likely move Walsh into the halves, but Ash Taylor was bought as the back up half before retiring
Titans - Tanah Boyd and Paul Turner
Tigers - Jock Madden and Nu Brown, but have three halves in their first choice 17 (Douehi, Brooks and Hastings)

It is obviously subjective, but some of these players aren't probably considered better than our back up half Jake Arthur.

However, what is telling, is that we are the only club in the NRL, who's only back up option for either position in the halves, without weakening another position, is essentially a Jersey Flegg eligible player. In fact, no other club has a half in the bowels of their depth chart who is still eligible for Jersey Flegg.

This for mine, is a disgraceful decision to allow this situation to occur, and in my view is almost a sackable offence for those in charge of recruitment and retention.

There’s also Perham, plus as you say, Gutherson can move if we run out of options, just like players at other clubs.

 

[hineyrulz]

There’s also Perham, plus as you say, Gutherson can move if we run out of options, just like players at other clubs.

Perham is gonskis I think mate.

 

[Chipmunk]

There’s also Perham, plus as you say, Gutherson can move if we run out of options, just like players at other clubs.

If you move Gutherson, you are weakening one position, to not even strengthen another. We don't really have a credible back up option for fullback either. There is probably a reason that of the only four players in the entire NRL who played every minute of the regular season, two of them are our fullback and five-eighth. We had no competent back up to not have them on the field.

If you look at the options that all other clubs have if the fullback was out, or they needed to move their fullback to another position to cover (based on the previous list, an unlikely situation for most)
Panthers - Charlie Staines, or move Crighton
Cowboys - The Hammer or Val Holmes into Fullback, and the other playing centre.
Sharks - Quite a few options, who they used over the last 6 weeks with Kennedy out. Dykes and Lachie Miller are two
Storm - Meaney, or moving Munster (which they have done)
Souths - Blake Taaffe or Kodi Nikorima, moving Alex Johnston, bring in Mansour, Milne or Kenner to wing
Roosters - Moving Manu, bringing in Naiqama or Momorovski to wing or centre
Raiders - Nichol-Klokstadt, or move Rapana and bring in Schiller, Valemie or Hopoate to wing
Broncos - Tesi Nui, or move Cobbo or Farnsworth and bring in any number of decent players to cover (Brenko Lee the obvious)
Dragons - Tyrell Sloan or moving Moses Mbye
Manly - Koula, or move Garrick or Dylan Walker
Dogs - Corey Allan, or move the Fox
Newcastle - Kurt Mann or Tex Hoy
Warriors - Likely move Harris-Tevita
Titans - Jayden Campbell (if Brimson is considered the fullback, they have enough credible options in the 1,6,7 to choose)
Tigers - Douehi, with Brooks and Hastings in the halves.

Realistically the only clubs who would ever consider moving their first choice fullback to cover another position would be the Cowboys, Dragons, Warriors or Titans.

Who is our option if Gutho goes down? No credible option. The only option is to move Dylbags and bring in the kid eligible for Flegg, or people with less than 5 NRL games of experience?

Again, this is a disgraceful decision to allow this situation to occur. To have one credible option, a player eligible for Flegg and not yet really at a consistent NRL standard, is a f**king disgrace, and once again is more reasons that all of those in charge of recruitment and retention also need to be punted.

 

[Jake the snake]

Just watching the replay again:

this is how poor our coach is:


Qld has showed the way in Origin how to handle Cleary. They bashed him and gave him no time on the ball. He turned to shit. Typically our choking coach took no note of that and let Cleary play in a dinner suit all night long. The f**ker had no pressure on him. the team put no pressure on him. Not even an attempt to shut him down. Just disgraceful.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Perham is gonskis I think mate.

Not this year though. We can worry about next year's backups next year. I'm sure we'll bring in someone cheap.

 

[Incorrect]

Not this year though. We can worry about next year's backups next year. I'm sure we'll bring in someone cheap.

*related

 

[Poupou Escobar]

f you move Gutherson, you are weakening one position, to not even strengthen another.

Plenty of other clubs do it. The point is when you start running out of backups it should force a reshuffle. It's not feasible to have a conveyor belt of top 30 calibre backups at every position. Teams without decent backups have to reshuffle.

At the Roosters Walker played every game and Keary played 21. The three games he missed were covered by Hutchison (1 game) and Manu (2 games). Two of those three were losses.

The Panthers starting halves misses a combined 17 games. Those 17 were covered by O'Sullivan (11 games), Salmon (3 games) and Falls (3 games). The only game they lost when both halves played was against us. Their other three losses occurred with one or both starting halves missing.

Losing a starting halfback should be a f**karound. It wouldn't be fair otherwise.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Just watching the replay again:

this is how poor our coach is:


Qld has showed the way in Origin how to handle Cleary. They bashed him and gave him no time on the ball. He turned to shit. Typically our choking coach took no note of that and let Cleary play in a dinner suit all night long. The f**ker had no pressure on him. the team put no pressure on him. Not even an attempt to shut him down. Just disgraceful.

He must've forgotten to tell them beforehand to apply kick pressure. Seems like he only remembered it at the presser afterwards. FFS Arthur's!!! Merkin never mentions effort areas like kick pressure.

 

[Chipmunk]

Just watching the replay again:

this is how poor our coach is:


Qld has showed the way in Origin how to handle Cleary. They bashed him and gave him no time on the ball. He turned to shit. Typically our choking coach took no note of that and let Cleary play in a dinner suit all night long. The f**ker had no pressure on him. the team put no pressure on him. Not even an attempt to shut him down. Just disgraceful.

Both Moses and BA were very jovial before the match, whereas Cleary and Luei were very serious. There was talk that this showed us as relaxed and the Panthers nervous. This was clearly not the case on the Panthers side. My view is that we aren't a team that should ever been relaxed...if we're relaxed our minds are not on the job. When we're serious, then we seemed focussed. When we're focussed, then we're capable of anything

I suspect our entire team did not give this game the focus and respect it deserved, but I don't think we were ever winning 6 games in a row to win the comp, so we had to have a let down at some point. We're three wins from a Premiership, it's starts this week.

 

[84 Baby]

Both Moses and BA were very jovial before the match, whereas Cleary and Luei were very serious. There was talk that this showed us as relaxed and the Panthers nervous. This was clearly not the case on the Panthers side. My view is that we aren't a team that should ever been relaxed...if we're relaxed our minds are not on the job. When we're serious, then we seemed focussed. When we're focussed, then we're capable of anything

I suspect our entire team did not give this game the focus and respect it deserved, but I don't think we were ever winning 6 games in a row to win the comp, so we had to have a let down at some point. We're three wins from a Premiership, it's starts this week.

I think neither approach really worked that well. Smugs especially Chinry were deer in headlights until Waqa dropped that bomb, then he loosened up (even more when T’o’o scored).
Whereas we were loose which helped us initially but we had to adjust too much in mindset when things when shit.
It’s a fine line for all sportspeople

 

[King-Gutho94]

Both Moses and BA were very jovial before the match, whereas Cleary and Luei were very serious. There was talk that this showed us as relaxed and the Panthers nervous. This was clearly not the case on the Panthers side. My view is that we aren't a team that should ever been relaxed...if we're relaxed our minds are not on the job. When we're serious, then we seemed focussed. When we're focussed, then we're capable of anything

I suspect our entire team did not give this game the focus and respect it deserved, but I don't think we were ever winning 6 games in a row to win the comp, so we had to have a let down at some point. We're three wins from a Premiership, it's starts this week.

I don't think the squad didn't respect the match at all.

It was a final. There is no perfect way on how to prepare other then try and keep things as normal as possible in your preparation.

Andrew Johns and Newcastle still talk about 2001 GF breakfast on how they were relaxed and giggling along while Parra were uptight and obviously nervous.

 

[Twizzle]

Perham is gonskis I think mate.

yep, he's outta here next year

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think neither approach really worked that well. Smugs especially Chinry were deer in headlights until Waqa dropped that bomb, then he loosened up (even more when T’o’o scored).
Whereas we were loose which helped us initially but we had to adjust too much in mindset when things when shit.
It’s a fine line for all sportspeople

Surely sports psychology is a reliable, easy instant win. Coaches just need to listen to the right fans on the internet.

 

[Chipmunk]

Plenty of other clubs do it. The point is when you start running out of backups it should force a reshuffle. It's not feasible to have a conveyor belt of top 30 calibre backups at every position. Teams without decent backups have to reshuffle.

At the Roosters Walker played every game and Keary played 21. The three games he missed were covered by Hutchison (1 game) and Manu (2 games). Two of those three were losses.

The Panthers starting halves misses a combined 17 games. Those 17 were covered by O'Sullivan (11 games), Salmon (3 games) and Falls (3 games). The only game they lost when both halves played was against us. Their other three losses occurred with one or both starting halves missing.

Losing a starting halfback should be a f**karound. It wouldn't be fair otherwise.

The issue is that we have only one realistic back up option should any of our 1, 6, or 7 fall injured, and that is to bring a Jersey Flegg eligible player. If two are injured at once, we have virtually a catasprophe on our hands. Perhaps Perham, although he is a player of last resort, rather than a back up. Simonson could potentially fill in at fullback.

Compare this to all other clubs, this is the options they have to cover 1, 6 or 7 from players outside of their number 1 starting 13.
Panthers - Sean O'Sullivan, Jaemon Salmon, Charlie Staines, if they need to move players, a player with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Robert Jennings.
Cowboys - The Hammer and Ben Hampton, if they need to move players, a player with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Brendan Elliott.
Sharks - Brayden Trindall, Kade Dykes, Lachie Miller, Luke Metcalf, they also have Connor Treacy on the wing, if they need to move players, a player with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Matt Ikavalu. The Sharks have almost as weak and experienced back up options as what we do.
Storm - Meaney, Cooper Johns or Tyran Wishart, if they need to move players, players with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Marion Seve and Young Tonamapea
Souths - Kodi Nikorima, Dean Hawkins or Blake Taaffe, or moving Alex Johnston. If they need to move players, players with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Mansour, Milne and Kenner
Roosters - Drew Hutchison or Adam Keighran, or moving Manu. If they need to move players, players with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is bringing in Naiqama or Momorovski
Raiders - Nichol-Klokstadt, Matt Frawley, Brad Shneider (Sam Williams retired mid season), or they could move Rapana
Broncos - Tesi Nui, Albert Kelly, Tyson Gamble or Tyrone Roberts, or move Cobbo or Farnsworth. If they need to move players, players with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Brenko Lee and Jordan Pereira.
Dragons - Jayden Sullivan, Tyrell Sloan, or moving Moses Mbye. If they need to move players, a player with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Tautau Moga
Manly - Koula, Josh Schuster or Dylan Walker, or move Garrick
Dogs - Brandon Wakeham, Bailey Biondi-Odo or Zac Docker Clay, or Corey Allan
Newcastle - Kurt Mann, Jake Clifford, Phoenix Crossland or Tex Hoy. If they need to move players, a player with extensive NRL experience they can also bring into the team is Hymel Hunt
Warriors - Likely don't really have a credible option either, but Ash Taylor was bought as the back up half before retiring. They are shit and we shouldn't be using them as a credible example of anything
Titans - Jayden Campbell, Jamayne Isaako, Tanah Boyd, Paul Turner. They have some other backup outside backs with extensive NRL experience
Tigers - Jock Madden, Nu Brown, but again have three halves in their first choice 13 (Douehi, Brooks and Hastings) they could move. If they had to move players, they also had Nofoaluma and Oliver Gildart not in their best 13, until they loaned them out.

Compare this to Parra
Arthur and Perham. That is an extreme lack of NRL experience in back ups in the most key positions in the team we have. The only back up player we have with extensive NRL experience who could fill in as an outside back or stop gap fullback would be Simonsson.

 

[Chipmunk]

I don't think the squad didn't respect the match at all.

It was a final. There is no perfect way on how to prepare other then try and keep things as normal as possible in your preparation.

Andrew Johns and Newcastle still talk about 2001 GF breakfast on how they were relaxed and giggling along while Parra were uptight and obviously nervous.

If we were in the right frame of mind and completely focussed on Friday night, then we should just give the season away now.

 

[King-Gutho94]

If we were in the right frame of mind and completely focussed on Friday night, then we should just give the season away now.

Look I don't think we were that bad. Yeah we made mistakes & we certainly have and can play better.

But name me one team that would have beaten Penrith on Friday night fresh off a week off.

Scoreline blew out after Moses and Lane leaving due to HIA in space of 2 mins.

Penrith while having the momentum at that stage of game. Moses leaving gave Penrith just another leg up and for us well Jake wasn't going to win us the game in 20 mins. So the game ended there.