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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

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Of the Sydney clubs to relocate, Balmain Norths and Wests were the prime candidates.

Norths tried to do the right thing and got screwed.

Balmain had been looking at relocation for at least a decade and ended up getting frightened into a merger with Wests.

Bears to Central Coast, Balmain merge with Easts (QRL) as Brisbane Tigers and Wests full-time focusing on S-W Sydney as the Western Sydney Magpies would solve a whole lot of problems when it comes to preserving long-established RL brands and expanding to areas ready to grow as RL heartlands.

Going to the game yesterday, it's insane to think that back in 2000 we had people convinced that a merger between Souths and the Roosters would equal "progress".

If you think allowing those teams to relocate as listed means there's no chance at other teams in Qld or teams in W.A, NZ etc then your thinking is too small. This "not enough talent to sustain more teams" line is a load of bullshit spin from NRL club boards and coaches who don't want anymore scrutiny on their jobs.
Brisbane Tigers controlled by Easts and playing all games out of Lang Park would work better than "The Dolphins".

Western Sydney Magpies could take over the south west of Sydney, based at Stadium Australia.

Canterbury Bulldogs relocate to Christchurch.

Adelaide Sharks based at Hindmarsh.

Bring in the West Coast Pirates and LOL@TheBears as they watch from the NSW Cup.
 
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The only aim of a draft is too even out the competition and it would be a massive cultural shift in RL. It was accepted in by the Melbourne VFL clubs in the 1980s because the game was already being centralised and clubs were starting to move to central stadiums (all clubs were playing games at Waverley and/or MCG), and supporters were distributed almost evenly across the city. An AFL style draft would mean that NRL clubs are not permitted to have any junior teams (all junior RL and development would be run by the NRL), and the bottom placed club would have first choice of 18 year olds. So, this years, Wests could take any 18yo player from anywhere.

We are told that centralised stadiums can't work due to Sydney's hilly terrain and the lack of properley planned road or public transport s

Not sure the the NRL would ever be able to get that past the clubs even if they wanted to.

Why does the location of Lions training facility have any bearing on where the next NRL should be? Aside from maybe 500 - 1000 who may attend an AFLW game in Springfield, it has no relevance at all.
AwFuL have based their training paddock in Ipswich and social joint in Logan. They're spreading their brand far and wide. The Gabba is central to both locations, which helps them draw sponsors from southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan.

Sydney isn't hilly like Europe. People in Europe have no trouble filling football stadia.
 
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Another thing to help the AFLs push esp in SEQ is the continuous influx of Victorian expats. The kids going to the local school are far more rusted on AFL fans and that provides alot more credibility in the school yard. Admittedly this is more prevalent in Gold Coast and other areas but the general trend does catch on.
 
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I imagine the ones championing Redcliffe as the miracle on this website are either born and bred Redcliffe fans or have never lived in SEQ and have absolutely no idea of what we’re talking about.

Can you imagine the damage $500m over 3 years between 2025-27 is going to do in south west Brisbane to NRL juniors? It’s unfathomable just how much money AFL have to dominate the region now. Plus they now have 3 years to plan exactly how best to attack the market and spend the money wisely.

Lions will be a top 4 side for the next 5 years with Ashcroft coming to the club in 2023. By the time he hits 22 and getting to his peak is 2026 the second year of a media deal that has $170m more annually to invest in QLD and NSW.

It blows my mind how the stars have aligned for AFL to get a hold of the south brisbane market and Gold Coast over the next 10 years. They are gonna leave NRL for dead in relation to youth development

Packer “you only get one alan bond in your lifetime”

Alpha Gil “you only get one Peter V’Landys in your lifetime”
It's as if V'landys is working for AwFuL and News Ltd to weaken our game. He probably isn't working for them, but it's fair to question his allegiance when he says and does things that hurt our game. His comments about "rusted on AFL states" and Victoria are inflamm. The war he has waged against the NSW Gov isn't endearing us to the public at large and state.

I think our game will really struggle in southern Brisbane as AwFuL is cashed up and investing in the region. Young kids who have no affirmation for any sport are the targets of AwFuL's promotion and some will become lifeline supporters of the Lions.
 
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Bang on, Redcliffe are a joke of an entrant into the NRL. A marketing scam of the highest order.

They have ten thousand fans, everyone else hates them. Now we're f**king stuck with them.
Redcliffe. Gold Coast. Manly. Cronulla. Tiny clubs by the sea that will never grow a substantial fanbase like the Broncos, Storm, Cowboys, Warriors, Knights and Raiders. That's four licences wasted on enclaves when we should be pushing for representation that spans across entire metropolises.
 

Storm80

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Haha no one's kids are going to play that awful sport. Fmd
Really?

Lot of Victorians moved up to SEQ from the 80s to begin with. So there’s 2 generations of kids that already like the game already.

You’ve already seen the AFL go after Karmichael hunt and Falou. Hunt was a decent mid, and without hammie injuries, would have been a solid inside mid for Suns for years.

If they were ready to burn money for Hunt and Folou - how much money you reckon they ready to burn at teenage athletes (basketball, Union and league etc) to get them to join their academies?

You can see it a mile off - “hey just come train with us for the summer - it’ll help ur fitness. Here’s new shoes and gear. Work with our strength and conditioning coaches for free. They’ll teach you to run better. We’ll cover costs of any injuries you get and we’ve got physios. Look you live 15 mins away, come down train and if you don’t like it you walk back to your sport fitter and stronger”.

Then once they there they build relationships with the people there, the best players mingle with them to stroke their egos - tell them “hey man you sure you ain’t played AFL before? You better than I was at 14.”

The kids will walk into the local NRL club for training and go “so I don’t have a physio? Or free boots? You don’t give me free training gear? I can’t work out on weights in an elite facility?” Compare the pair ffs haha

Basically, the AFL (with $500m more than NRL in 2025-27) are that smooth good looking older rich guy that girls in their 20s throw their panties at… You can see it a million miles off.

They’ve been doing it for years now (without the extra $170m annually).


There is no doubt in my mind Isaac Heeney would be a starting full back in NRL had he not choose AFL. Gary Jacks kid would have made it in league as a utility too. That’s just two I can think of at the swans in the past 15 years.

Even if the kids don’t make it in AFL, guess what the AFL don’t care to much - because ultimately they’ve been successful in removing a kid from the talent pool of Union and league.

I know it’s beneath you, but if you bothered to watch AFL you’d see there are shit loads of players running around with the ball handling skills, size, agility and kicking skills to make it as decent halves and full backs in NRL.

Sure they’d need to work a hell of a lot on tackling and defence - but if Brodie Croft can still get a NRL contract, anyone can. The dudes not even a speed bump ffs. Rugba Leeg are so desperate for halves Brodie Croft has been nominate for the man of steel award in UK and is linked to signing with the knights.

How many young kids playing AFL have the NRL poached and turned into Full Backs or Halves? None.

And that’s the point. NRL have no desire or vision to grow the talent pool across the country. They don’t even really use the UK super league properly as a youth development league. Which is idiotic.

Sure there’s thousands of Pacific Islanders on the production ready to walk into fwd packs, but there are sweet FA halves. We need at least 17 decent halves combinations in the comp. We have maybe 8.

Look at the Ponga thurstons and Papenhausen types. They’d kill it in AFL and not have to deal with 120kg monsters smashing them. Yet earn just as much coin.

Which game you reckon a mother would want a 65kg 5’10 15 year old in SW Brisbane to play? NRL for a QRL feeder club? Or a junior academy of a national football club that’s in the top 4 every year, 15 mins away and basically just throws money and free training gear and boots at him non stop?

Then if he’s got a sister that’s an athlete - yep bring her down too she can train with the AFLW team as well.

You win over the mothers, you win over the family. AFL gonna throw money at those types in SW Brisbane when they are 12 years old ffs. The fact you can’t see it just reiterates my valid criticism of NRL administration over the years.

Your flippant and arrogant mentality, as well as many NRL supporters and administrators, is exactly why the game is so far behind AFL and why the AFL have no fear going after NRL heartland. The NRL and it’s supporters just have no vision for the future of the game.
 

mongoose

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Really?

Lot of Victorians moved up to SEQ from the 80s to begin with. So there’s 2 generations of kids that already like the game already.

You’ve already seen the AFL go after Karmichael hunt and Falou. Hunt was a decent mid, and without hammie injuries, would have been a solid inside mid for Suns for years.

If they were ready to burn money for Hunt and Folou - how much money you reckon they ready to burn at teenage athletes (basketball, Union and league etc) to get them to join their academies?

You can see it a mile off - “hey just come train with us for the summer - it’ll help ur fitness. Here’s new shoes and gear. Work with our strength and conditioning coaches for free. They’ll teach you to run better. We’ll cover costs of any injuries you get and we’ve got physios. Look you live 15 mins away, come down train and if you don’t like it you walk back to your sport fitter and stronger”.

Then once they there they build relationships with the people there, the best players mingle with them to stroke their egos - tell them “hey man you sure you ain’t played AFL before? You better than I was at 14.”

The kids will walk into the local NRL club for training and go “so I don’t have a physio? Or free boots? You don’t give me free training gear? I can’t work out on weights in an elite facility?” Compare the pair ffs haha

Basically, the AFL (with $500m more than NRL in 2025-27) are that smooth good looking older rich guy that girls in their 20s throw their panties at… You can see it a million miles off.

They’ve been doing it for years now (without the extra $170m annually).


There is no doubt in my mind Isaac Heeney would be a starting full back in NRL had he not choose AFL. Gary Jacks kid would have made it in league as a utility too. That’s just two I can think of at the swans in the past 15 years.

Even if the kids don’t make it in AFL, guess what the AFL don’t care to much - because ultimately they’ve been successful in removing a kid from the talent pool of Union and league.

I know it’s beneath you, but if you bothered to watch AFL you’d see there are shit loads of players running around with the ball handling skills, size, agility and kicking skills to make it as decent halves and full backs in NRL.

Sure they’d need to work a hell of a lot on tackling and defence - but if Brodie Croft can still get a NRL contract, anyone can. The dudes not even a speed bump ffs. Rugba Leeg are so desperate for halves Brodie Croft has been nominate for the man of steel award in UK and is linked to signing with the knights.

How many young kids playing AFL have the NRL poached and turned into Full Backs or Halves? None.

And that’s the point. NRL have no desire or vision to grow the talent pool across the country. They don’t even really use the UK super league properly as a youth development league. Which is idiotic.

Sure there’s thousands of Pacific Islanders on the production ready to walk into fwd packs, but there are sweet FA halves. We need at least 17 decent halves combinations in the comp. We have maybe 8.

Look at the Ponga thurstons and Papenhausen types. They’d kill it in AFL and not have to deal with 120kg monsters smashing them. Yet earn just as much coin.

Which game you reckon a mother would want a 65kg 5’10 15 year old in SW Brisbane to play? NRL for a QRL feeder club? Or a junior academy of a national football club that’s in the top 4 every year, 15 mins away and basically just throws money and free training gear and boots at him non stop?

Then if he’s got a sister that’s an athlete - yep bring her down too she can train with the AFLW team as well.

You win over the mothers, you win over the family. AFL gonna throw money at those types in SW Brisbane when they are 12 years old ffs. The fact you can’t see it just reiterates my valid criticism of NRL administration over the years.

Your flippant and arrogant mentality, as well as many NRL supporters and administrators, is exactly why the game is so far behind AFL and why the AFL have no fear going after NRL heartland. The NRL and it’s supporters just have no vision for the future of the game.

apparently the NRL has poached tonnes of Kiwi's in the NZ Rugby system over the years though.... maybe most kids in AFL wouldn't make good NRL players? Heeney might make a good fullback but the NRL isn't short on good fullbacks and if you think he would be as good as Tedesco or Trbojevic - LOL. I'm sorry but no NRL club looks at Dustin Martin and thinks - "geez I wish we had got him when he was young " . It's flattering that AFL clubs think this way about NRL players though.
 

Colk

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apparently the NRL has poached tonnes of Kiwi's in the NZ Rugby system over the years though.... maybe most kids in AFL wouldn't make good NRL players? Heeney might make a good fullback but the NRL isn't short on good fullbacks and if you think he would be as good as Tedesco or Trbojevic - LOL. I'm sorry but no NRL club looks at Dustin Martin and thinks - "geez I wish we had got him when he was young " . It's flattering that AFL clubs think this way about NRL players though.

They drop the ball a bit too much to be good league players. Imagine how bad the completion rates would be.

Some of their players might make stock standard Rugby League backs but the difficulty with comparing the games is that really there wouldn’t be that much crossover because generally the body shapes and athletic capabilities are completely different.

He has a point though in getting those athletes who could play anything.
 

mongoose

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They drop the ball a bit too much to be good league players. Imagine how bad the completion rates would be.

Some of their players might make stock standard Rugby League backs but the difficulty with comparing the games is that really there wouldn’t be that much crossover because generally the body shapes and athletic capabilities are completely different.

He has a point though in getting those athletes who could play anything.
Yeah I agree with his point for the most part. Someone the size of NAS would never play AFL though and this is why the NRL's lack of expansion into southern states is so dumb and short sited. There must be shitloads of blokes with the body shapes of NAS or JWH or even powerful nuggets like Timoko who are not suited to AFL... so what the f**k sport are they playing down there?
 

Colk

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Yeah I agree with his point for the most part. Someone the size of NAS would never play AFL though and this is why the NRL's lack of expansion into southern states is so dumb and short sited. There must be shitloads of blokes with the body shapes of NAS or JWH or even powerful nuggets like Timoko who are not suited to AFL... so what the f**k sport are they playing down there?

Exactly. There are plenty of Kiwis in Melbourne and Perth. Actually there are plenty of Kiwis everywhere 🤣
 

mozza91

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Those greatest athlete shows put AFL in their place regarding being successful in other codes.
They were so far behind League and Union in fitness and strength it was embarrassing. Pretty sure the short 35 year old car driver was a significantly better athlete than the AFL bloke.
 

Colk

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Those greatest athlete shows put AFL in their place regarding being successful in other codes.
They were so far behind League and Union in fitness and strength it was embarrassing. Pretty sure the short 35 year old car driver was a significantly better athlete than the AFL bloke.

Being such a s*** sport might actually perversely help them. If you can get an athlete who could play anything and fumbleball can pay them the most, coupled with the fact that it requires so little skill and athletic ability comparatively, then it might be the choice they make.
 

mongoose

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Being such a s*** sport might actually perversely help them. If you can get an athlete who could play anything and fumbleball can pay them the most, coupled with the fact that it requires so little skill and athletic ability comparatively, then it might be the choice they make.
yeah a lot of potentially great athletes wasted in that sport... the fact that the women's comp expanded to 18 teams so quickly to me shows that there isn't much value put on skill and development in AFL. Basically if you can hold a ball for long enough without dropping it and have a decent level of fitness, you're in! The mens game is happy to poach college kids from USA who have never even watched the sport and they are AFL "stars" within a few years. Israel Folau who never kicked a Steeden once in an NRL game in paid top dollar lol
 

Perth Red

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Yeah I agree with his point for the most part. Someone the size of NAS would never play AFL though and this is why the NRL's lack of expansion into southern states is so dumb and short sited. There must be shitloads of blokes with the body shapes of NAS or JWH or even powerful nuggets like Timoko who are not suited to AFL... so what the f**k sport are they playing down there?
I used to take my god son to U10's afl and the number of really big kids on the pitch that really couldn't play the game because they weren't agile enough was huge. They would have done great in RL!
 

Colk

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yeah a lot of potentially great athletes wasted in that sport... the fact that the women's comp expanded to 18 teams so quickly to me shows that there isn't much value put on skill and development in AFL. Basically if you can hold a ball for long enough without dropping it and have a decent level of fitness, you're in! The mens game is happy to poach college kids from USA who have never even watched the sport and they are AFL "stars" within a few years. Israel Folau who never kicked a Steeden once in an NRL game in paid top dollar lol

I think fitness (well more aerobic fitness than anaerobic) and decent spatial awareness is probably all you need. I completely refute fumbleball followers who state that there is some immense skill in that game.
 
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apparently the NRL has poached tonnes of Kiwi's in the NZ Rugby system over the years though.... maybe most kids in AFL wouldn't make good NRL players? Heeney might make a good fullback but the NRL isn't short on good fullbacks and if you think he would be as good as Tedesco or Trbojevic - LOL. I'm sorry but no NRL club looks at Dustin Martin and thinks - "geez I wish we had got him when he was young " . It's flattering that AFL clubs think this way about NRL players though.
Daley and Hunt played a bit of fumbleball during their school years. I think Ponga was on the Lions' radar before signing with the Cowboys.
 

Jamberoo

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AwFuL have based their training paddock in Ipswich and social joint in Logan. They're spreading their brand far and wide. The Gabba is central to both locations, which helps them draw sponsors from southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan.

Sydney isn't hilly like Europe. People in Europe have no trouble filling football stadia.
Can't see a single local sponsor https://www.lions.com.au/partners
All national and multinational companies. Most AFL clubs would be the same (GWS and GC might be exceptions, not sure). It really makes little difference where clubs are based. It is another reason why RL needs to go national if they want to make up ground on the AFL. Having local businesses as sponsors went out in the 1980s.
 

Perth Red

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I think fitness (well more aerobic fitness than anaerobic) and decent spatial awareness is probably all you need. I completely refute fumbleball followers who state that there is some immense skill in that game.
flicked over to see how the dockers were going the other night. Apart from the amazing crowd the game was horrible. The refs whistle just blows constantly, had to switch it off after 25 blows in a few minutes! One thing I did think would be that their game would be much better if the ball was round so they weren't scrambling around trying to pick up a bouncing egg!
But you cant knock their administration, those people know how to run a sport! and their fans, those people know how to get off their arses and support their team!
 

Iamback

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Can't see a single local sponsor https://www.lions.com.au/partners
All national and multinational companies. Most AFL clubs would be the same (GWS and GC might be exceptions, not sure). It really makes little difference where clubs are based. It is another reason why RL needs to go national if they want to make up ground on the AFL. Having local businesses as sponsors went out in the 1980s.

Because there is none, Interest is very low in NSW/QLD generally. Both areas have their little pockets of interest but generally very little interest.

For them and the swans, Most of those sponsors would be due to the history and prestige of the relocated clubs
 

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