OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[the phantom menace]

So we are all in agreeance big waste of f**king money

It will be if merkins vote No because... um... reasons.... like... Dutton and Murdoch and Gina and Pauline etc scared them into it?

 

[JokerEel]

I'm going to say no to this one... unless you care to offer evidence of what you mean?

The government has an Indigenous Affairs department, who offer funded programs (approved through budgets, dating back to Howard's time) to organisations that meet the criteria to become providers of those programs. There would also be guidelines, agreements with KPIs and acquittal rules for those funded programs, which would mean companies don't get get money to do as they please.

Evidence to a question?

I could google it but we all know you need 50 different sources on here before anyone accepts it. (Yes that's a dig at you and the sky news)

 

[JokerEel]

It will be if merkins vote No because... um... reasons.... like... Dutton and Murdoch and Gina and Pauline etc scared them into it?

Yeah ok but the first nations people voting No got scared into it hey? They don't have an opinion apparently

 

[Happy MEel]

This has been a monumental cock up from the Albo Government… and this is coming from someone who leans slightly left of centre.

If the government had any common sense or political nous, they would have established a voice through legislation to demonstrate the makeup of it, how it operates, and the types of issues it provides advice on, proved there was value in it via tangible outcomes and highlight that there was minimal (if any) risk or consequences to having it. They could have then gone to a referendum to enshrine it in the constitution and they probably would have won in a landslide

As it currently stands, they’re asking for people to decide on a permanent change to something they have absolutely no idea how or what it looks like.

It has been absolute amateur hour. The fact it has been done this way leads me to believe it was more important politically for Albo to get this under his belt in his first term of government, rather than making any real change for our First Nations people.

 

[JokerEel]

This has been a monumental cock up from the Albo Government… and this is someone who leans slightly left of centre.

If the government had any common sense or political nous, they would have established a voice through legislation to demonstrate the makeup of it, how it operates, and the types of issues it provides advice on, proved there was value in it via tangible outcomes and highlight that there was minimal (if any) risk or consequences to having it. They could have then gone to a referendum to enshrine it in the constitution and they probably would have won in a landslide

As it currently stands, they’re asking for people to decide on a permanent change to something they have absolutely no idea how or what it looks like.

It has been absolute amateur hour. The fact it has been done this way leads me to believe it was more important politically for Albo to get this under his belt in his first term of government, rather than making any real change for our First Nations people.

100% agree with everything you said.

Ill be voting yes but can understand why people are voting no.

 

[Suitman]

We don’t need a referendum, we need an investigation into where the money is going and why it isn’t reaching where it needs to.

Why can't we have both?

 

[Twizzle]

I know exactly what it’s about.

and it was going to achieve nothing

Sounds like you don't otherwise you wouldn't make such a comment

indigenous Australians already have proportionate representation across all levels of government

in thier respective electorate maybe, but they dont represent the First Nations people across the board

Do you even know what the Voice is about ? Your words suggest that you don't and you've been influenced by the RWNJs and Newscorpse

we need an investigation into where the money is going and why it isn’t reaching where it needs to.

well you could ask the coalition but I doubt you will get a straight answer

if they had a voice then how money is being spent is in accordance with their wishes, that way you wont need future investigations to establish "where the money went"

 

[the phantom menace]

Evidence to a question?

I could google it but we all know you need 50 different sources on here before anyone accepts it. (Yes that's a dig at you and the sky news)

The double question mark and use of "doesn't" as assumptive suggested you were already of the view that it does.

My mention of evidence to contrary was an admission I'm not 100% sure of my response, and open to sourced evidence otherwise.

Re Sky News... do you serious think they aren't essentially party political in their coverage of national issues?

 

[the phantom menace]

Yeah ok but the first nations people voting No got scared into it hey? They don't have an opinion apparently

The very small minority of First Nations people intending to vote No can of course have opinions, and might have better reasons that others...

e.g. a belief that this proposal does not go far enough, after being sick of getting dicked around by (most) Governments since Howard's time.

Having constitutional recognition and a Voice advisory committee will allow for this diversity of Indigenous opinions to be heard during their deliberations to give advice to government on the relevant matters - that's kind of the whole point (and why I think it's dumb for anyone to intend to vote no).

 

[the phantom menace]

Love this one I saw today - time to get on the right side of history tomorrow:

 

[Avenger]

Love this one I saw today - time to get on the right side of history tomorrow:

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During this saga the person that most impressed me was Jacinta Price. I reckon she could do a better job than the current PM or Dutton.

She has a bright future.

 

[JokerEel]

The double question mark and use of "doesn't" as assumptive suggested you were already of the view that it does.

My mention of evidence to contrary was an admission I'm not 100% sure of my response, and open to sourced evidence otherwise.

Re Sky News... do you serious think they aren't essentially party political in their coverage of national issues?

I'm not 100% sure Merkin!

Re Sky news everyone has an agenda... But they did post similar amount to AAP so whatever floats your boat..

 

[JokerEel]

The very small minority of First Nations people intending to vote No can of course have opinions, and might have better reasons that others...

e.g. a belief that this proposal does not go far enough, after being sick of getting dicked around by (most) Governments since Howard's time.

Having constitutional recognition and a Voice advisory committee will allow for this diversity of Indigenous opinions to be heard during their deliberations to give advice to government on the relevant matters - that's kind of the whole point (and why I think it's dumb for anyone to intend to vote no).

Small minority? Someone has been drinking the coolaide Sounding too much like Pou Pou here buddy...

 

[the phantom menace]

This has been a monumental cock up from the Albo Government… and this is coming from someone who leans slightly left of centre.

If the government had any common sense or political nous, they would have established a voice through legislation to demonstrate the makeup of it, how it operates, and the types of issues it provides advice on, proved there was value in it via tangible outcomes and highlight that there was minimal (if any) risk or consequences to having it. They could have then gone to a referendum to enshrine it in the constitution and they probably would have won in a landslide

As it currently stands, they’re asking for people to decide on a permanent change to something they have absolutely no idea how or what it looks like.

It has been absolute amateur hour. The fact it has been done this way leads me to believe it was more important politically for Albo to get this under his belt in his first term of government, rather than making any real change for our First Nations people.

The one bit I don't think you've captured above about the timing and process for this is... that Albo listened to the broadest representation of Indigenous people (through the Uluru Voice from the Heart process) about how they wanted to go about achieving constitutional recognition and a Voice advisory committee.

Which is kind of the whole point about establishing a Voice in the first place - not telling Indigenous people about how a middle-class whitey politician man (or woman, or multiples of same) think it's best to achieve it. This thing isn't all Albo's doing or choices at all - but obviously Dutton and Sky News and the like are trying their level best to make out any potential failure to be Albo's problem, and score their political point..

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I’m just weighing up as to whether to take the kids to the Sydney pro Gaza protest on the weekend.

I see it as an educational exercise and I want them to take an interest in world affairs.

We went to the Samoan riots at Mt Druitt last World Cup. They enjoyed the chaos and we did several rat runs through the flares and stuff.

I took one kid, then the other got jealous and he had to come too.

 

[the phantom menace]

Small minority? Someone has been drinking the coolaide Sounding too much like Pou Pou here buddy...

20% (vs 80%) is a pretty small minority, in any voting scenario.

 

[the phantom menace]

During this saga the person that most impressed me was Jacinta Price. I reckon she could do a better job than the current PM or Dutton.

She has a bright future.

She has handled herself incredibly well. Definitely better than Dutton, better than Lydia Thorpe, and (sadly, because she could have been such an asset to Yes) better than Linda Burney.

I'm not too familiar with her views on other matters, but suspect (onbviously, as an LNP Senator) that she leans conservative, and (obviously, being promoted under Dutton) leans more conservative than her predecessor LNP shadow minister Julian Lesser and previous LNP minister Ken Wyatt - who are both proudly spruiking the case for voting Yes.

For Jacinta Price to even be a chance to end up PM, she'd need to contest a lower house seat - there are only two up for grabs in the NT, and I think they've proved much harder for LNP to win than one of the two Senate spots she's serving in.

 

[Gronk]

I’m just weighing up as to whether to take the kids to the Sydney pro Gaza protest on the weekend.

I see it as an educational exercise and I want them to take an interest in world affairs.

We went to the Samoan riots at Mt Druitt last World Cup. They enjoyed the chaos and we did several rat runs through the flares and stuff.

I took one kid, then the other got jealous and he had to come too.

Keep a wide berth.

Three men charged after alleged Nazi salutes outside Sydney Jewish Museum

www.9news.com.au

 

[JokerEel]

20% (vs 80%) is a pretty small minority, in any voting scenario.

Sky news figures?

 

[the phantom menace]

I think they might be Uluru Statement from the Heart process or polling figures - you know, the polls just of Indigenous people that Sky News don't want you to know about - but cbf looking up the original source for the 80% v 20% atm