Match Discussion: Round 5 vs Brisbane @ Suncorp Stadium, Milton / Yuggera-Turrbal

[The Silverdale Phantom]

They went for that penalty goal instead of the tap, suggests Madge wasn’t that confident they could break through.

A bit of fear!

 

[WA Tiger]

And in my view, the bigger picture and ultimate explanation for us losing the momentum was lack of possession in the second half with many factors contributing.

But had we continued to hold the ball and been more focused in driving them back, we could have jagged it.

Which should be a source of comfort, despite an upsetting loss in some ways.

There was a good spell there where we dominated and they didn’t have any effective answers.

Teenage halves against reps and kangaroos …incredible performances.

I think it’s as easy as being able to challenge the f/ pass…The ref was running in the same direction as the players and the ball so he’s going to use relativity as an excuse. But it’s a simple rule.. pick the spot on the ground where the passer was standing when the ball left the hand and same for the player when it landed. It’s fkn scary if you check that out .. Fact is he wasn’t looking for the f/pass he was looking for an infringement by wt..he should be suspended for that lack of decision.. there has been no worse one in the history of the game ..imo

 

[WA Tiger]

They went for that penalty goal instead of the tap, suggests Madge wasn’t that confident they could break through.

A bit of fear!

O yea they were shitting themselves. Did u see the relief on Madge and co when they got a break and the fear when we were dominating .. it was real

 

[Tigerm]

The Reynolds chip and chase try, was the same as the Moses one, all those years ago, was Madge us coaching then?

 

[Nutz]

I think it’s as easy as being able to challenge the f/ pass…The ref was running in the same direction as the players and the ball so he’s going to use relativity as an excuse. But it’s a simple rule.. pick the spot on the ground where the passer was standing when the ball left the hand and same for the player when it landed. It’s fkn scary if you check that out .. Fact is he wasn’t looking for the f/pass he was looking for an infringement by wt..he should be suspended for that pass there has been no worse one in the history of the game ..

Forward passes can drift fwd and of course, even with a legal pass, the ball is caught ahead of the passing point.
It's all resting on if the ball left the hands in a backwards direction. So if you freeze the moment the ball has separated from the hands and draw a line parallel to the halfway, tryline etc you can then say if it was a fwd pass or not.
It's irrelevant if the support player is in front of that line. How many times have you seen a player reach behind himself to catch the ball when he's overrun the support player ..play on.
You know all this I'm sure but I'm highlighting why refs get calls wrong when they only have their eyeballs to go on.
The only way to get it 100% right is to have a drone follow the play from overhead with the appropriate software - program to make a decision technically.
I Slow Mo cobbo's pass to be way fwd but it wont hold up.
We also can't end up like American footy where there is no battle of attrition due to stoppages.
In our game, you get some calls, some you don't.

 

[glockers]

Steady as she goes with Latu, he played well against a marquee side.

I think JL would have been a good calming influence on the side, but if we keep missing the boat, something has to give to get Latu, Galvin and JL into the side at once.

Absolutely correct about the influence Luai would have offered I see alot of criticism of him, but he has been out best half and it's not close. He was absolutely running the show in our wins in attack and defence.

Even when Galvin got credit, Luai has been the one getting him the ball directly or indirectly by calling the plays. The guy is a plain winner. On top of that his kicking game has been spot on, and he knows when to chime in and take over. Whole Faatape screwed the play, who made the first kick last week? Luai.

May still our best buy, but Luai is not far behind at all. Turuva and Skelton have been great too.

 

[WA Tiger]

Forward passes can drift fwd and of course, even with a legal pass, the ball is caught ahead of the passing point.
It's all resting on if the ball left the hands in a backwards direction. So if you freeze the moment the ball has separated from the hands and draw a line parallel to the halfway, tryline etc you can then say if it was a fwd pass or not.
It's irrelevant if the support player is in front of that line. How many times have you seen a player reach behind himself to catch the ball when he's overrun the support player ..play on.
You know all this I'm sure but I'm highlighting why refs get calls wrong when they only have their eyeballs to go on.
The only way to get it 100% right is to have a drone follow the play from overhead with the appropriate software - program to make a decision technically.
I Slow Mo cobbo's pass to be way fwd but it wont hold up.
We also can't end up like American footy where there is no battle of attrition due to stoppages.
In our game, you get some calls, some you don't.

Ok reaching back changes the spot to mark on the ground to where the ball hit the hands of the recieving player.. that’s pretty rare and I don’t remember that being included in a contentious f/pass conversation..
Forward passes always drift forward past that horizontal line and if they do under no circumstance can they legal.. irrespective of where the receiver is standing or what direction the passer is facing
Again pick the spot on the ground where the ball left the hands of and the same where it landed. It’s almost impossible for a parallel line to be drawn by the ref when he’s running with the players coz of the changing angles and everything moving, and just as hard for the viewers. . But the spots on the ground don’t change, regardless of the angle. Try it, and you’ll see the f/pass just got worse than you first thought

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Ok reaching back changes the spot to mark on the ground to where the ball hit the hands of the recieving player.. that’s pretty rare and I don’t remember that being included in a contentious f/pass conversation..
Forward passes always drift forward past that horizontal line and if they do under no circumstance can they legal.. irrespective of where the receiver is standing or what direction the passer is facing
Again pick the spot on the ground where the ball left the hands of and the same where it landed. It’s almost impossible for a parallel line to be drawn by the ref when he’s running with the players coz of the changing angles and everything moving, and just as hard for the viewers. . But the spots on the ground don’t change, regardless of the angle. Try it, and you’ll see the f/pass just got worse than you first thought

They can easily implement tech to help the review all suspected forward passes resulting in a try.

There’s reviews for all sorts of less serious things, such as 40/20s and suspect tackles.

It’s just laziness and incompetence by the nrl …not to look into it.

We’d rather spend the money on junkets to Vegas to keep pressure on the problem gamblers to continue to destroy their lives, make life difficult for their kids, partners, families and friends.

The game could find a million other ways to fund itself than exploit and harm vulnerable people.

 

[WA Tiger]

They can easily implement tech to help the review all suspected forward passes resulting in a try.

There’s reviews for all sorts of less serious things, such as 40/20s and suspect tackles.

It’s just laziness and incompetence by the nrl …not to look into it.

We’d rather spend the money on junkets to Vegas to keep pressure on the problem gamblers to continue to destroy their lives and their friends and families.

It cost money but.. and the wa play $ vlandys anticipated for, that just fell through.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

It cost money but.. and the wa play $ vlandys anticipated for, that just fell through.

It’s not going to be too hard to fit a sensory thing into a football and track it’s trajectory relative to a straight line.

Year 10 science project over 6 classes.

If we got all the parts, us wt forumers could do it in 2 weeks.

I wouldn’t mind a WA bears side. Makes more sense than PNG. Help stave off succession from the commonwealth.

As you know, you’ve got your own family law system. You opted out of ours.

 

[Tigerm]

What was everyone's thoughts about the Hunt no try, gotta say, I've never noticed it before and certainly never seen a penalty for it.
I didn't think he was assisted over the line.
We seem to get a lot of unusual firsts.

 

[Nutz]

Ok reaching back changes the spot to mark on the ground to where the ball hit the hands of the recieving player.. that’s pretty rare and I don’t remember that being included in a contentious f/pass conversation..
Forward passes always drift forward past that horizontal line and if they do under no circumstance can they legal.. irrespective of where the receiver is standing or what direction the passer is facing
Again pick the spot on the ground where the ball left the hands of and the same where it landed. It’s almost impossible for a parallel line to be drawn by the ref when he’s running with the players coz of the changing angles and everything moving, and just as hard for the viewers. . But the spots on the ground don’t change, regardless of the angle. Try it, and you’ll see the f/pass just got worse than you first thought

Forward passes simplified is one where the ball leaves the hands in a forward direction. The only way you can detect that is through geometry. The field is rectangular and reference lines are marked eg half way line. A pass that goes forward out of the hands of these reference lines is a forward pass regardless if the heavens open up.

 

[Nutz]

What was everyone's thoughts about the Hunt no try, gotta say, I've never noticed it before and certainly never seen a penalty for it.
I didn't think he was assisted over the line.
We seem to get a lot of unusual firsts.

He was over the line anyway and he wasn't assisted in downward pressure, rough call.

 

[Tigerm]

He was over the line anyway and he wasn't assisted in downward pressure, rough call.

Yeah, that's how I saw it as well.
Only us, seem to get these unusual ones hahaha

 

[WA Tiger]

Forward passes simplified is one where the ball leaves the hands in a forward direction. The only way you can detect that is through geometry. The field is rectangular and reference lines are marked eg half way line. A pass that goes forward out of the hands of these reference lines is a forward pass regardless if the heavens open up.

So why didn’t the ref see it with these wonderfull reference lines

 

[WA Tiger]

So why didn’t the ref see it with these wonderfull reference lines

Anyway my method uses the reference lines ie you can see the spot on the ground where it’s left the hand and landed in relation to the lines..the lines alone won’t do it coz of the players moving forward and losing track of what’s where

 

[Nutz]

So why didn’t the ref see it with these wonderfull reference lines

Because he's running and it's hard to judge sometimes..
The linesman were more important in yesteryears because he would run with the attack.
I agree with you though.
I suggest we paint the whole field with lines, a bit like a chess board and players have to wear gloves with sensors and gps and one inserted into the ball. Maybe all the players can have anal probes that when they pass the ball forward their butts blow up.

 

[Nutz]

Hey @WA Tiger
If you pass a ball backwards (towards your own tryline) and a hurricane blows the ball forward and is caught by your mate closer to the opponents tryline, is that a forward pass?

 

[WA Tiger]

Hey @WA Tiger
If you pass a ball backwards (towards your own tryline) and a hurricane blows the ball forward and is caught by your mate closer to the opponents tryline, is that a forward pass?

Pretty much

 

[Nutz]

Pretty much

Wrong. As I said before, if you pass a ball backwards out of the hand it is legal.

RULES
Forward Pass

Ball is blown or bounces forward.

If the ball is passed correctly but bounces forward or is blown forward by the wind, there is no infringement and play should continue.

Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to themselves. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.