Match Discussion: Round 5 vs Brisbane @ Suncorp Stadium, Milton / Yuggera-Turrbal

[TheDefinitionOfMadness]

What was everyone's thoughts about the Hunt no try, gotta say, I've never noticed it before and certainly never seen a penalty for it.
I didn't think he was assisted over the line.
We seem to get a lot of unusual firsts.

I think that was another prime example of the refs saying to themselves the Tigers are a poor team up against a better team, better find a way to take that off them. This is all subliminal and cuts across most refs. With the top teams they look for reasons to award a try, with poor quality teams they look for a reason to disallow them.

 

[Nutz]

I think that was another prime example of the refs saying to themselves the Tigers are a poor team up against a better team, better find a way to take that off them. This is all subliminal and cuts across most refs. With the top teams they look for reasons to award a try, with poor quality teams they look for a reason to disallow them.

Do you honestly believe that DOM or are there some emotions at play.

 

[TheDefinitionOfMadness]

Do you honestly believe that DOM or are there some emotions at play.

I definitely believe they have that mindset. Not just with us but with all games where there's a team high up on the ladder vs a team down near the bottom.

When I say subliminal, I'm not talking some sort Manchurian candidate or clockwork orange situation, and I don't believe the refs are bought off or it's fixed, if that's how it's come across.

I strongly believe they do go in with a preconceived mindset. Us being a chronically under performing team cop the brunt of it. It just happens to us and other cellar dwellers too often for it to be a coincidence

 

[Nutz]

I definitely believe they have that mindset. Not just with us but with all games where there's a team high up on the ladder vs a team down near the bottom.

When I say subliminal, I'm not talking some sort Manchurian candidate or clockwork orange situation, and I don't believe the refs are bought off or it's fixed, if that's how it's come across.

I strongly believe they do go in with a preconceived mindset. Us being a chronically under performing team cop the brunt of it. It just happens to us and other cellar dwellers too often for it to be a coincidence

I'm not saying your wrong DOM but I just can't see the intentional bias but I tend to trust too many people.
I must agree on the part that they are human and must get caught up in the emotional side of things.
I'm wondering how much our refs would be like robots if they disengaged completely.
They are a protected species though but if players and coaches don't respect officials it would become a shitester of a game.
It's a hard one, always has been. I feel your pain man.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Well with respect, I can’t accept any mindset.

They try to officiate fairly and then they make too many blunders.

We need more tech to help reduce the human error.

Every time there’s a successful captains challenge, it’s a concession of failure of the officials and there’s been far too many of them since it was introduced.

They make mistakes simply because they are human.

And the injury count in the game remains far too high to sustain it as able to present the best players properly.

So we need a lot more thought going into fixing that, whether it’s rules and or extra protective gear. The idea is to stop the progress of the player, not maim or kill him.

 

[WA Tiger]

I think that was another prime example of the refs saying to themselves the Tigers are a poor team up against a better team, better find a way to take that off them. This is all subliminal and cuts across most refs. With the top teams they look for reasons to award a try, with poor quality teams they look for a reason to disallow them.

Correct!

 

[WA Tiger]

I'm not saying your wrong DOM but I just can't see the intentional bias but I tend to trust too many people.
I must agree on the part that they are human and must get caught up in the emotional side of things.
I'm wondering how much our refs would be like robots if they disengaged completely.
They are a protected species though but if players and coaches don't respect officials it would become a shitester of a game.
It's a hard one, always has been. I feel your pain man.

It’s not that they are human. It is that they are weak (unless we say it is human to be weak) They think they will face tougher scrutiny if they wrong a top team than a lower team with less power..shit we should know and yes they all feel the pressure

 

[Pezz70]

Because he's running and it's hard to judge sometimes..
The linesman were more important in yesteryears because he would run with the attack.
I agree with you though.
I suggest we paint the whole field with lines, a bit like a chess board and players have to wear gloves with sensors and gps and one inserted into the ball. Maybe all the players can have anal probes that when they pass the ball forward their butts blow up.

If they wanted to there’s technology available to detect forward passes, and offsides, soccer uses it. That ball was forward no doubt in my mind, and if the fella catching the ball is in front of the player when he lets the ball go, he is offside regardless, it’s a penalty to the opposition. You cannot get involved in any play if you remain in front of the ball player.

 

[Tigerm]

Houston, we have a problem.

 

[Nutz]

If they wanted to there’s technology available to detect forward passes, and offsides, soccer uses it. That ball was forward no doubt in my mind, and if the fella catching the ball is in front of the player when he lets the ball go, he is offside regardless, it’s a penalty to the opposition. You cannot get involved in any play if you remain in front of the ball player.

Yes that's true Pezz, that's an offside rule, not a fwd pass. Same with chip kicks where you have to be behind the kicker.
We'd end up like grid iron if we changed the rules.
How does the soccer one work mate?

 

[Nutz]

Well with respect, I can’t accept any mindset.

They try to officiate fairly and then they make too many blunders.

We need more tech to help reduce the human error.

Every time there’s a successful captains challenge, it’s a concession of failure of the officials and there’s been far too many of them since it was introduced.

They make mistakes simply because they are human.

And the injury count in the game remains far too high to sustain it as able to present the best players properly.

So we need a lot more thought going into fixing that, whether it’s rules and or extra protective gear. The idea is to stop the progress of the player, not maim or kill him.

They tried to be more accountable and transparent by Annesly giving his weekly account of rulings and complaints but I've noticed that has now been canned.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

They tried to be more accountable and transparent by Annesly giving his weekly account of rulings and complaints but I've noticed that has now been canned.

Yes, it’s not a good idea to put yourself in harms way and face the music.

But that doesn’t mean there’s any nonsense going on.

If people really believe the officials are corrupt, there’s really no point following the game.

 

[Tigerm]

I think they have just overloaded the rules, the ref needs a super computer to get the understanding of what rule has been broken.
But because they have allowed gambling, they have no choice but to try and make sure everything is legit.
But they do fail badly by not using the review process for blatant issues, that blind Freddy can see.

 

[Nutz]

I think they have just overloaded the rules, the ref needs a super computer to get the understanding of what rule has been broken.
But because they have allowed gambling, they have no choice but to try and make sure everything is legit.
But they do fail badly by not using the review process for blatant issues, that blind Freddy can see.

You can blame my cousin.

Provan came up with video referee idea in 1976

Modern aids are being used by to crucify referees - why can't modern aids be used to save them, wrote future Immortal Norm Provan in Rugby League Week in 1976.

www.nrl.com

 

[Tigerm]

You can blame my cousin.

Provan came up with video referee idea in 1976

Modern aids are being used by to crucify referees - why can't modern aids be used to save them, wrote future Immortal Norm Provan in Rugby League Week in 1976.

www.nrl.com

Not at all, I think it's a good idea, but why not use it for all issues that involve foul play or when scoring? There is no need to take 5 mins either.
They look for the tiniest issue to not award a try, but let blatant shit go through, unchallenged.
Note the Souths clip I posted a few up, how can they see that and not review it.

 

[Nutz]

Not at all, I think it's a good idea, but why not use it for all issues that involve foul play or when scoring? There is no need to take 5 mins either.
They look for the tiniest issue to not award a try, but let blatant shit go through, unchallenged.
Note the Souths clip I posted a few up, how can they see that and not review it.

I think the officiating is good considering the speed of play these days with athletic players.
What I don't want to see is long drawn out reviews. Having everyone leave celebrating then 5 min later they say review then no try and they all come back again.
I'd also like to see the video reviews played at speeds a tad slower than normal and not frame by frame.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I think they have just overloaded the rules, the ref needs a super computer to get the understanding of what rule has been broken.
But because they have allowed gambling, they have no choice but to try and make sure everything is legit.
But they do fail badly by not using the review process for blatant issues, that blind Freddy can see.

It’s really not that hard to introduce the tech for the forward passes. They can even allow a small amount of leeway to take account wind etc. That would solve a lot of these problems.

But you are right to raise the integrity issue overall. It’s too easy for players to deliberately fumble a ball or miss a tackle.

Professional criminals are smart enough to:

A. Deal with people they can trust
B. Make complicated arrangements to dispel suspicion.
C. Pay off people
D. Wash tainted money.
E. Be patient.

Unfortunately, Point A is very difficult.

Serious punters like professional poker players ( card counters), they work off pure maths anyway. There’s no way they are splashing out on league.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I mean where’s the pay off for an allegedly corrupt ref?

There’s nothing in it for them, thousands of people scrutinising everything they do.

No one gets paid extra for missing a forward pass.

There’s no motive.

You are basically called incompetent and in some cases dropped. And you may deserve it, but that doesn’t turn you into the devil incarnate. You’re a boofhead.

If you keep getting gigs, that’s the nrls fault. People will eventually give up on the game.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Fyi nrl injury count equals 80 a bit over a month into the season. The carnage has to stop

 

[Pezz70]

Yes that's true Pezz, that's an offside rule, not a fwd pass. Same with chip kicks where you have to be behind the kicker.
We'd end up like grid iron if we changed the rules.
How does the soccer one work mate?

They have a computer draw a digital line across the field.

The reason I referred to the offside rule in that instance with Cobbo is because I thought the receiver was a step in front of Cobbo at the time he passed the ball. It was either a forward pass or he was offside.