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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

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Politics and rugby league have been thrown into a blender​



It’s the most untrue statement ever uttered - sport and politics don’t mix.
In the NRL, not only are they mixing, they’re in a blender.


Let’s take the past few weeks as an example of how the game’s governing body has joined itself to the hip of governments right across the country.
The Perth Bears only exist because the NRL got a sweet deal from the West Australian government.

That was after the NRL rejected a private consortium, took the concept to the WA government and received an offer it rejected as too low, only for the government to come back with a new, higher offer. Money talks, but when you take it, you’re beholden to them.
Beware the hand that feeds you.

We all know the history of the Papua New Guinea team.
Keen to lock China out of the Pacific, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese gifted the NRL $600 million over ten years for the team to exist, thereby currying favour with a rugby league-mad government in a rugby league-mad nation.

Why on earth the game is dabbling in the geo-politics of the region is anyone’s guess.
The PNG Board announced during the week looks very well-credentialed, so a big tick there. But there was a worrying moment when all league fans would have, or should have, cringed.
Politicians specialise in bagging everything opposing politicians do. It’s their modus operandi. They can’t help themselves and always think every other side of politics has it wrong.
Their brains are conditioned to babble on about how good they, and their initiatives are, while others, even ones that are good, aren’t.
A prime example came when Pat Conroy, the federal minister for Pacific Island affairs, spoke about the PNG team last week.

Now, we’re not making this up. He actually said: “I want to ensure the taxpayers’ timeline is on track (for 2028).
“When we get this project delivered through the huge investment of all three parties, this will make Penrith look like the minnows of rugby league. They will be made to look like Sydney Roosters juniors.”

What a dribbler.
The last thing rugby league needs is politicians immaturely sticking their bibs in after spending in excess of half a billion dollars of our money and then insulting the thousands upon thousands of volunteers and players who have built and nurtured the game from the ground up in districts like Penrith over decades and decades by saying ‘we’re going to be better than you’.

A little tip for you minister – you’re not.
Grow up.
Then we get to the latest chapter of the Book of Feuds between the Sydney Roosters and the South Sydney Rabbitohs.
It goes like this.

The Rabbitohs signed a long-term deal to play at Accor Stadium, but say they only signed the deal because they were promised by the then-Berejiklian government that the stadium would be revamped and a roof put on.
But that plan lost out in the unedifying stadium wars which saw the Sydney Football Stadium bulldozed and replaced by the gleaming, yet roofless, Allianz, and Penrith get a new boutique beauty.
South Sydney maintains they were told by the government they had to sign on to provide the stadium content, allowing the government to build the case for a rebuild.
A bit like the chicken and the egg – what comes first, the revamped stadium to attract the tenant or the tenant to justify the revamp?
In the end, the Rabbitohs were left hanging, while the Roosters got almost exclusive rugby league use of a billion-dollar taxpayer-funded asset.

When the Rabbitohs told the government they felt as though they’d been dudded and would rather move to Allianz to get better service their fans and, more importantly, the corporates in state-of-the-art facilities, they were rebuffed. Time and again.
The latest was by Premier Chris Minns himself, declaring Souths would not be let out of the contract.
Both stadiums fall under the control of Venues NSW, which is in a bind.
It needs ‘content’ at Accor to try and hold membership of that venue, while membership for the SCG precinct could sell out twice over. Maybe thrice.
Leading the charge to block the Rabbitohs’ move is Roosters chairman Nick Politis, who has put a land rights claim over the public property as the precinct has been the Roosters only home since 1908.

A bit like the chicken and the egg – what comes first, the revamped stadium to attract the tenant or the tenant to justify the revamp?
In the end, the Rabbitohs were left hanging, while the Roosters got almost exclusive rugby league use of a billion-dollar taxpayer-funded asset.

The latest was by Premier Chris Minns himself, declaring Souths would not be let out of the contract.
Both stadiums fall under the control of Venues NSW, which is in a bind.
It needs ‘content’ at Accor to try and hold membership of that venue, while membership for the SCG precinct could sell out twice over. Maybe thrice.
Leading the charge to block the Rabbitohs’ move is Roosters chairman Nick Politis, who has put a land rights claim over the public property as the precinct has been the Roosters only home since 1908.

It’s a fair enough position, ideologically, but one which has a major problem.
The club doesn’t own the stadium. And it can’t squat on it.

The Rabbitohs’ position is fair too, and if ‘Stingy’ Minnsy isn’t going to fix Accor, he can’t expect the Rabbitohs, and others, to fix his problem, which is that people are jack of going to matches at a stadium built to house athletics more than a quarter of a century ago.
Fans love Allianz because it’s a fantastic place to watch football. Purpose built. Brand new. Accor isn’t.

Try driving a brand-new Mercedes for a while and then jumping back into the old Falcon.
Australia is desperately falling behind the world when it comes to world-class venues. Then again, we don’t seem to be even able to build enough houses, let alone stadiums.
Maybe minister Conroy and his government should spend more time working out where everyone is going to live as migration booms. His party wasn’t voted in to bag its constituents.

 

nko11

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I’d love for one of those people with a phd to explain to me how when you have a sample size of one box per 5000 people a rating of 12k in a population of 2.5million is in any way valid or reliable lol
A sample of 5000 in a population of 2.5 million is actually a very good sample size. Has a margin or Error of +/-1.385%. Also very unlikely to have many polling biases, it records exactly what people are watching...

For context, most Australian Election Polling usually takes a sample of between 1000-3000. With a margin of Error of around ~2-3%. US Election polls are usually between 1000-5000 sample size with a MOE of ~3-4%.

Statistically it is actually very significant. Unless the sample is being tampered with or the sample is not representative of the population/weighted (Not familiar with how transparent OZTAM and VOZ are with their method, but I imagine advertisers spending millions would be ontop of this - so I would say this is unlikely), it should be pretty well right on the button.

For 12k in a population of 2.5 million - reliability of low sampled data even with a high sample size, does influence the reliability somewhat - generally why you won't see VOZ release data below a certain threshold - Top 30 programs for example. However realistically would maybe only effect it marginally - think a range of 7k-17k for the accurate size at the absolute worst.

To add to this, while a sample of 2.4 people people watching out of 5000 seems like not much information to go off. It's actually telling you that 4997.6 people on average weren't watching. Plenty of data to tell you that it's a low result. With statistical sampling you're never going to be able to say exactly 11,457 people were watching, unless the sample size is so high that you're actually just taking a total population sample.
 
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Vlad59

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A sample of 5000 in a population of 2.5 million is actually a very good sample size. Has a margin or Error of +/-1.385%. Also very unlikely to have polling bias, it records exactly what people are watching...

For context, most Australian Election Polling usually takes a sample of between 1000-3000. With a margin of Error of around ~2-3%. US Election polls are usually between 1000-5000 sample size with a MOE of ~3-4%.

Statistically it is actually very significant. Unless the sample is being tampered with or the sample is not representative of the population/weighted (Not familiar with how transparent OZTAM and VOZ are with their method, but I imagine advertisers spending millions would be ontop of this - so I would say this is unlikely), it should be pretty well right on the button.

For 12k in a population of 2.5 million - reliability of low sampled data even with a high sample size, does influence the reliability somewhat - generally why you won't see VOZ release data below a certain threshold - Top 30 programs for example. However realistically would maybe only effect it marginally - think a range of 7k-17k for the accurate size at the absolute worst.
I’ve posted multiple times (in fact to death) how sampling works. It’s a proven statistical formula used for decades by government and others to forecast economic data, unemployment rates, you name it. So you are absolutely correct. As usual.
 

Growthegame

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interesting how these AFL expansion clubs have so many members, but crowds that are less than half the number and pitiful TV audience.

When a club like GWS claims it has 30k members but only 9k turn up to games regularly, something is not mathing.
And it’s an open secret to anyone that works in any sports position in Sydney that when GWS announce crowds of 9,000, the real figure is around 5,000-6,000. Many out of state visitors/supporters of VIC & WA AFL clubs believe the capacity to Sydney Showground Stadium is a lot higher than it actually is because of this.
 

Jamberoo

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There are three metrics for TV.
Traditional ‘average viewers’ - NRL is in front of AFL here.
‘Reach‘ is used by advertisers and streaming services love ‘minutes watched’. The AFL is well in front on these two metrics and that is a main reason why their broadcast deal is higher.
 

Wb1234

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There are three metrics for TV.
Traditional ‘average viewers’ - NRL is in front of AFL here.
‘Reach‘ is used by advertisers and streaming services love ‘minutes watched’. The AFL is well in front on these two metrics and that is a main reason why their broadcast deal is higher.
Why would minutes watched be a key metric for subscription tv
 

siv

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A sample of 5000 in a population of 2.5 million is actually a very good sample size. Has a margin or Error of +/-1.385%. Also very unlikely to have many polling biases, it records exactly what people are watching...

For context, most Australian Election Polling usually takes a sample of between 1000-3000. With a margin of Error of around ~2-3%. US Election polls are usually between 1000-5000 sample size with a MOE of ~3-4%.

Statistically it is actually very significant. Unless the sample is being tampered with or the sample is not representative of the population/weighted (Not familiar with how transparent OZTAM and VOZ are with their method, but I imagine advertisers spending millions would be ontop of this - so I would say this is unlikely), it should be pretty well right on the button.

For 12k in a population of 2.5 million - reliability of low sampled data even with a high sample size, does influence the reliability somewhat - generally why you won't see VOZ release data below a certain threshold - Top 30 programs for example. However realistically would maybe only effect it marginally - think a range of 7k-17k for the accurate size at the absolute worst.

To add to this, while a sample of 2.4 people people watching out of 5000 seems like not much information to go off. It's actually telling you that 4997.6 people on average weren't watching. Plenty of data to tell you that it's a low result. With statistical sampling you're never going to be able to say exactly 11,457 people were watching, unless the sample size is so high that you're actually just taking a total population sample.
There is a huge difference if the box was say on the TV my wife watches, verses myself or my kids

And that's in same household

Gone are the days of 1 TV per household

Let alone what we watch via streaming services, youtube etc, or on our phone/tablets/pcs
 
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