Touch judges should rulle on foward passes

[Gobsmacked]

They can position themselves in line with run of play and raise their flag when it's foward.
Both flags = foward pass.

 

[Maximus]

Yeah because it went so well yesterday with the Sloan no try.

 

[Bazal]

I dunno man touch judges can't even seem to rule on the touchline

 

[Black Panther]

Touch judges already rule on forward passes don’t they? If they see them that is.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Touch judges already rule on forward passes don’t they? If they see them that is.

They do, and have since at least the 1970s. I know as I was coached in my junior league refereeing by an ex-ARL Touch Judge who was also an ARL and then NRL Touch Judge coach. Its mainly not as obvious as it was in the "olden days" since they are all now wired for sound between the referee and the touch judges.

Unless the NRKL Touch judge is up marking the 10 metres for the defence, they are normally back behind the play the ball on the attacking side, so they often have the best angle to judge the direction of a pass. When you can often tell the TJ called it, see if the play continues but the TJ stand stock still and the play comes back. That's when you can mostly be sure they "tipped" the referee of the pass.

 

[yobbo84]

Touchies are way too busy keeping an eye on important things like downtowns to worry about pesky things like forward passes, knock ons, or if the player goes out

 

[nick87]

I agree, more touchies making calls that handsomely reward the Raiders of Canberra.
That dickhead was right, that ball to Sloan WAS forward! A call well made, brave and stunning of him to have the courage to make it, in my humble opinion.

 

[Canard]

They can position themselves in line with run of play and raise their flag when it's foward.
Both flags = foward pass.

Not a RL fan I see.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

A pass is legal unless it definitely travelled forward out of the hands. As distinct from a pass is illegal unless it definitely travelled backwards relative to the ground. The latter doctrine is favoured by the more intellectually-challenged.

Some touchies need a frontal lobotomy to clear their brain of crowd and media culture before being allowed to officiate. Phantom forward passes are known to arise from this scenario -

Centre-field PTB, dummy-half jumps out, engages the marker, gives short ball to receiver moving at pace. Both run and pass are perfectly-timed. Touchie from 30 metres away calls it forward. Mainly because his view of the hands is obscured and he just assumes from the positions of the bodies that it must have been forward.

 

[Canard]

A pass is legal unless it definitely travelled forward out of the hands. As distinct from a pass is illegal unless it definitely travelled backwards relative to the ground. The latter doctrine is favoured by the more intellectually-challenged.

Some touchies need a frontal lobotomy to clear their brain of crowd and media culture before being allowed to officiate. Phantom forward passes are known to arise from this scenario -

Centre-field PTB, dummy-half jumps out, engages the marker, gives short ball to receiver moving at pace. Both run and pass are perfectly-timed. Touchie from 30 metres away calls it forward. Mainly because his view of the hands is obscured and he just assumes from the positions of the bodies that it must have been forward.

Yep, this is a good video on forward passes, it for the other code, but the physics and rules are still the same


Some mouth breathers (and commentators) still think the ball "travelling forward" or the receiver catching the ball in front of where it was thrown, as a forward pass.

 

[10$ Ferret]

You would be surprised how much the touchies say to the referees, that gets ignored

 

[Frailty]

You would be surprised how much the touchies say to the referees, that gets ignored

This.

The amount of times I hear "the touchie was right in line with it!" without realising he can call it forward but the referee ultimately makes the decision.

I do have issues with how touch judges are told to position themselves - i.e. Being back the 10m defensive line to "help" the referee, staying in tight when looking at try scoring opportunity in the corner instead of circling out wide. But that's a larger issue with how officials are assessed and instructed to officiate the game.

 

[Cactus]

I would prefer to see a speed camera technology used, mounted on rails running syncronised along each touchline and monitored by a female police officer who runs alongside the camera as it travels up & down the touchline. Once a forward pass is identified an instant image is created & projected in 3D above the field similar to projections on the Opera House during Vivid.

 

[Captain Apollo]

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I do have issues with how touch judges are told to position themselves - i.e. Being back the 10m defensive line to "help" the referee, staying in tight when looking at try scoring opportunity in the corner instead of circling out wide. But that's a larger issue with how officials are assessed and instructed to officiate the game.

The 10 metre issue was brought in when Bill harrigan was made NRL Referees Coach. Dumb decision then and still is in my opinion.

As to why they stay tight like they do, they are also looking at the feet to ensure they do not go into touch before hand. Often the referee can see the "front on" angle.

 

[Frailty]

The 10 metre issue was brought in when Bill harrigan was made NRL Referees Coach. Dumb decision then and still is in my opinion.

As to why they stay tight like they do, they are also looking at the feet to ensure they do not go into touch before hand. Often the referee can see the "front on" angle.

The problem is that all it does it actually inhibit their view. It's doesn't help their view of the touch line, and then the corner post actually takes the view of the touch-in-goal line away. The referee is rarely in position to see the 'front on angle' as you suggest.

If the touch judge circle out wide, they have view of the touch and touch-in-goal line, and the only view obscured is literally in the in-goal area.

Of course, it is all a moot point considering we have the video referee/bunker to review.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

monitored by a female police officer

Would she be armed?

 

[Cactus]

Would she be armed?

Definitely disarming.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The problem is that all it does it actually inhibit their view. It's doesn't help their view of the touch line, and then the corner post actually takes the view of the touch-in-goal line away. The referee is rarely in position to see the 'front on angle' as you suggest.

If the touch judge circle out wide, they have view of the touch and touch-in-goal line, and the only view obscured is literally in the in-goal area.

Of course, it is all a moot point considering we have the video referee/bunker to review.

I show you this as an exhibit -



That's more the standard positioning for an NRL Touch Judge. The above is a still taken from a video of the first try in the Raiders v dragons match from the weekend.

 

[Fangs]

Well they sure as shit didn't tonight.

1.5 billion forward passes thrown in Origin III.

 

[aarondoyle]

Easier to count the passes that went backwards tonight. It was like a game of gridiron.