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Easts Tigers are too big to not be in the NRL

Perth Red

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Cost is always an issue if you don't want it to become an issue.
We have Q cup and NSW Cup that have their own history and meaning and I'm glad that they get a sprinkle of talent which helps with the overall standard.
We don't need a reserve comp that means nothing.
Reserve grade isnt there to mean something, it’s there to produce better 1st grade players.
 

Gobsmacked

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Reserve grade isnt there to mean something, it’s there to produce better 1st grade players.
The NRL has the Rugby talent on the planet, has the biggest audience in the world with the best competition.
All far better than when we HAD a reserve grade.

The only reason you want a reserve grade is for Perth. There's zero reason the NRL needs a reserve grade other than Perth.
 

Perth Red

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The NRL has the Rugby talent on the planet, has the biggest audience in the world with the best competition.
All far better than when we HAD a reserve grade.

The only reason you want a reserve grade is for Perth. There's zero reason the NRL needs a reserve grade other than Perth.
Thast a very conflated argument youve put forward there lol.
NRL is better now than 23 years ago, I very much doubt that has anything at all to do with if reserve grade would produce better player development outcomes than the current piecemeal approach.
 

Gobsmacked

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Thast a very conflated argument youve put forward there lol.
NRL is better now than 23 years ago, I very much doubt that has anything at all to do with if reserve grade would produce better player development outcomes than the current piecemeal approach.
You have NO evidence that a reserve grade would produce better results.
The evidence I have is that it was canned.

There's zero spectator value in a reserves, zero. It's all cost for no returns. All in the hope it will produce more talent, which is completely uncertain.
What is certain is the amount of talent that will be lossed in those regional areas, those players in the regions who are motivated by the chances of possibly winning a contract and benefit greatly from rubbing shoulders with NRL players.
 

Perth Red

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You have NO evidence that a reserve grade would produce better results.
The evidence I have is that it was canned.

There's zero spectator value in a reserves, zero. It's all cost for no returns. All in the hope it will produce more talent, which is completely uncertain.
What is certain is the amount of talent that will be lossed in those regional areas, those players in the regions who are motivated by the chances of possibly winning a contract and benefit greatly from rubbing shoulders with NRL players.
It was canned in 2002 on purely financial reasons. Those barriers no longer exist.
Again reserve grade doesnt exist for spectators, it exists to be a stepping stone to first grade, thats it.
The current hotch potch has some teams running proper reserve grade sides (mostly Sydney) and others farming players out to second tier clubs. All its doing is making the second tier of the sport compromised and therefore not appealing to local fans to follow or have any legitimacy.
150k players to choose from, a second tier league could be very competitive and entertaining and continue to put players that have missed out an an NRL club contract in the shop window as well, as give players no longer able to get a NRL contract an opportunity to extend their RL career.
 

SirPies&Beers

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It was canned in 2002 on purely financial reasons. Those barriers no longer exist.
Again reserve grade doesnt exist for spectators, it exists to be a stepping stone to first grade, thats it.
The current hotch potch has some teams running proper reserve grade sides (mostly Sydney) and others farming players out to second tier clubs. All its doing is making the second tier of the sport compromised and therefore not appealing to local fans to follow or have any legitimacy.
150k players to choose from, a second tier league could be very competitive and entertaining and continue to put players that have missed out an an NRL club contract in the shop window as well, as give players no longer able to get a NRL contract an opportunity to extend their RL career.
^^^
the thoughts of someone who has no idea how nswrl or qrl comps are presented and what they mean to the people or players who get behind those clubs.
 

Gobsmacked

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It was canned in 2002 on purely financial reasons. Those barriers no longer exist.
Again reserve grade doesnt exist for spectators, it exists to be a stepping stone to first grade, thats it.
The current hotch potch has some teams running proper reserve grade sides (mostly Sydney) and others farming players out to second tier clubs. All its doing is making the second tier of the sport compromised and therefore not appealing to local fans to follow or have any legitimacy.
150k players to choose from, a second tier league could be very competitive and entertaining and continue to put players that have missed out an an NRL club contract in the shop window as well, as give players no longer able to get a NRL contract an opportunity to extend their RL career.
OK. So what you're saying is:
Spend a ton of money on games that know body cares about at the expense of Leagues that have been around 100 years for likely no benefit.
Cool.
 

Wb1234

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You have NO evidence that a reserve grade would produce better results.
The evidence I have is that it was canned.

There's zero spectator value in a reserves, zero. It's all cost for no returns. All in the hope it will produce more talent, which is completely uncertain.
What is certain is the amount of talent that will be lossed in those regional areas, those players in the regions who are motivated by the chances of possibly winning a contract and benefit greatly from rubbing shoulders with NRL players.
It was canned due to cost

Qrl and nswrl don’t approve it bc it means less funding for their empires

If the commission was truly Independent then it would happen

Pvl is a fan of it
 

Perth Red

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OK. So what you're saying is:
Spend a ton of money on games that know body cares about at the expense of Leagues that have been around 100 years for likely no benefit.
Cool.
Thats your projection of your opinion

What Im saying is have a proper NRL club managed reserve grade that does a better job at producing NRL first graders AND develop a legit second tier of the game with clubs that fans who dont have access to an NRL club can get behind.
 

Perth Red

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It was canned due to cost

Qrl and nswrl don’t approve it bc it means less funding for their empires

If the commission was truly Independent then it would happen

Pvl is a fan of it
Its inevitable. Qlnd was biggest opponent (largely as NSw cup is already an NRL club run reserve grade) but even the Qlnd NRL clubs are getting keen now.
 

Wb1234

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Its inevitable. Qlnd was biggest opponent (largely as NSw cup is already an NRL club run reserve grade) but even the Qlnd NRL clubs are getting keen now.
Qrl is the one that needs to be convinced

Maybe time for more bribe money

They want to protect the non nrl qrl sides from playing in a devalued comp which becomes the third tier not second
 

titoelcolombiano

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^^^
the thoughts of someone who has no idea how nswrl or qrl comps are presented and what they mean to the people or players who get behind those clubs.
Yeah, he thinks the long history of the Brisbane Tigers can be boiled down to it being a pokie den (a pokie den that's only existed since the 90's). The QLD Cup gives access to second tier RL to areas that will probably never have an NRL team but are vitaly important pathways for the game. Cairns, Central QLD, Sunshine Coast and Toowoomba are fantastic examples. An NRL reserve grade would completely destroy that which is why the QRL oppose it.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Thats your projection of your opinion

What Im saying is have a proper NRL club managed reserve grade that does a better job at producing NRL first graders AND develop a legit second tier of the game with clubs that fans who dont have access to an NRL club can get behind.
What's the evidence it produces first graders better?
 

Wb1234

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Qrl isn’t the brl though so it’s history is limited

Penrith have shown what having seamless junior pathways does where the juniors play in the same teams together and receive uniform coaching all the way to fg

The nswrl and qrl are dinosaur organisations which were supposed to be abolished by the creation of the arlc

Would rather protect their empires than do what’s good for the greater game

The boss of the qrl was against the dolphins being admitted to the nrl

That’s the kind of tin pot dictators running the show
 

Red&BlackBear

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Qrl isn’t the brl though so it’s history is limited

Penrith have shown what having seamless junior pathways does where the juniors play in the same teams together and receive uniform coaching all the way to fg

The nswrl and qrl are dinosaur organisations which were supposed to be abolished by the creation of the arlc

Would rather protect their empires than do what’s good for the greater game

The boss of the qrl was against the dolphins being admitted to the nrl

That’s the kind of tin pot dictators running the show
QRL has been around since the start. Literally the very start, 1908-1909.

BRL morphed into Queensland Cup between 1995 & 1996.

It’s history isn’t limited; it’s quite literally existed in the same time frame as NSWRL has. Its vested interests are towards state league. NSWRL allowed CRL to become irrelevant and therefore a lot of bush footy fell by the wayside; QRL refuses that to happen to its clubs and country regions because as a competition its spread far and understands the value that its regional pathways serve to the greater game.

It resources its various grade competitions across a large geographical state area as best as it can.

Ikin and Canavan are running it. They are far from tin pot dictators; they’re astute rugby league minds that understand Queensland’s importance to RL and its overall player resource pool.
 
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