Easts Tigers are too big to not be in the NRL

[Wb1234]

Reserve grade is a branding issue as much as anything else.
We have a great second tier, with almost thirty clubs across three nations. We don't have to kill that to succeed.

First tier:
-NRL Premiership

Second tier:
-NRL Championship (North)
Current QLD Cup + allow the Cows, Donks and Tits to run their own branded clubs in it. Let Redcliffe use 'Redcliffe' at all levels.

-NRL Championship (South)
Current NSW Cup + some NSW country clubs, eventually add Melbourne, Christchurch & Wellington) Aim for 16-18 clubs in time.


Not a perfect solution but it keeps both sides happy to a degree, there's enough money in the game to support it. Importantly it means we're not losing historic clubs and key regional pathways for short-term solutions.

It also allows expansion clubs to come up through the ranks and for failed clubs to drop down if it's ever needed.

Nah nrl reserve grade sides will be playing against each other as curtain raisers to the nrl game

They could merge what’s left of the qrl and nswrl

 

[Wb1234]

100% make sense. i thinks people are over thinking it and underestimating the enormous job it would take to streamline clubs that have never had flow through grades (in the new era of rl)

What are you on about

Nrl clubs have been loaning their players to their feeder clubs for ages

Eg Newtown with sharks etc

The only change is their surplus players and juniors will be in their own branded team rather than a foreign team

 

[Wb1234]

Won’t work.

At the end of the day it’s still the Q Cup sides that feed all the way down to Cyril Connell Cup and in respect to most regional Q Cup clubs; they have entire local comps (with local clubs and junior clubs) that feed into their junior squads pathways. IE Jets with Ipswich Rugby League, Cutters with Mackay District Rugby League, Pride with FNQ Rugby League and so on and so forth.

Adding Broncos, Titans and Cowboys to Q-Cup or lipstick on a pig NRL Championship North whilst the Blackhawks, Wynnums, Tweeds etc of this world exist doesn’t change the fact that the pathways come from those Q Cup sides. Then what? They develop them, pay for them, but the reserve grade sides under Broncos Titans Cowboys brands benefit for their lack of efforts or care?

Unless those 3 NRL clubs invest all the way down in Mal Meninga and Cyril Connell then this NRL championship aka Q Cup with lipstick is redundant. Because if those 3 clubs do streamline their own branded reserves and pathways then instead of having 2 or 3 different Q Cup clubs and those clubs regional RL competitions leading into their NRL club then they’d potentially only have 1. It limits them and in turn limits the output of those Q Cup clubs.

Its all synergetic relationships. People are really over thinking this. It’s working, why change it? Who pays for the change?

Qrl clubs receive funding to develop players for nrl sides

Literally their main purpose for still existing

Cause it’s not the 500 fans who show up to match them or similar on tv

 

[Peach & Apricot]

Broncos are a trophy vanity asset which Lachlan Murdoch likes. He won't sell simply for ego reasons.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

What are you on about

Nrl clubs have been loaning their players to their feeder clubs for ages

Eg Newtown with sharks etc

The only change is their surplus players and juniors will be in their own branded team rather than a foreign team

what are you on about, the q cup districts & regional leagues footy clubs blood players via their comps. those comps players go into the regional q cup side. nrl clubs then pick the best of the lost once those kids hit 16 or so. before that the work is done by the q cup and the districts that they represent. nrl clubs do not play for the districts and local comps that these q cup clubs represent

i think bears is alluding to below
examples
panthers nrl > panthers nsw cup > panthers jf > panthers sg > panthers hm > penrith district rl

however qld clubs are like
cowboys nrl > stop there (2/3 affiliate clubs)

however its the affiliates who have, lets take pride or blackhawks for example
pride q-cup > pride mm > pride cc > fnq district rl
blackhawks q-cup > blackhawks mm > blackhawks cc > townsville district rl
cutters q-cup > cutters mm > cutters cc > mackay and districts rl

so how do cowboys streamline their own unique representation?

theyd have to consider a massive restructure. qrl pays for the districts that feed into various representative teams, not the nrl clubs. where as panthers feed all the way into their district.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Qrl clubs receive funding to develop players for nrl sides

Literally their main purpose for still existing

Cause it’s not the 500 fans who show up to match them or similar on tv

You have little idea how it’s structured.

This goes beyond Q-Cup and the NRL clubs don’t pay that much. As we go down in grades; there’s actually little funding. QRL and individual QRL clubs fund the pathways.

Always have. I’m not actually sure why people are debating this still; the structure is what the structure is.

what are you on about, the q cup districts & regional leagues footy clubs blood players via their comps. those comps players go into the regional q cup side. nrl clubs then pick the best of the lost once those kids hit 16 or so. before that the work is done by the q cup and the districts that they represent. nrl clubs do not play for the districts and local comps that these q cup clubs represent

i think bears is alluding to below
examples
panthers nrl > panthers nsw cup > panthers jf > panthers sg > panthers hm > penrith district rl

however qld clubs are like
cowboys nrl > stop there (2/3 affiliate clubs)

however its the affiliates who have, lets take pride or blackhawks for example
pride q-cup > pride mm > pride cc > fnq district rl
blackhawks q-cup > blackhawks mm > blackhawks cc > townsville district rl
cutters q-cup > cutters mm > cutters cc > mackay and districts rl

so how do cowboys streamline their own unique representation?

theyd have to consider a massive restructure. qrl pays for the districts that feed into various representative teams, not the nrl clubs. where as panthers feed all the way into their district.

In a nutshell, yes. Your assessment here is pretty much on the line.

 

[Wb1234]

what are you on about, the q cup districts & regional leagues footy clubs blood players via their comps. those comps players go into the regional q cup side. nrl clubs then pick the best of the lost once those kids hit 16 or so. before that the work is done by the q cup and the districts that they represent. nrl clubs do not play for the districts and local comps that these q cup clubs represent

i think bears is alluding to below
examples
panthers nrl > panthers nsw cup > panthers jf > panthers sg > panthers hm > penrith district rl

however qld clubs are like
cowboys nrl > stop there (2/3 affiliate clubs)

however its the affiliates who have, lets take pride or blackhawks for example
pride q-cup > pride mm > pride cc > fnq district rl
blackhawks q-cup > blackhawks mm > blackhawks cc > townsville district rl
cutters q-cup > cutters mm > cutters cc > mackay and districts rl

so how do cowboys streamline their own unique representation?

theyd have to consider a massive restructure. qrl pays for the districts that feed into various representative teams, not the nrl clubs. where as panthers feed all the way into their district.

Yeh it’s their job for the funding they get from the nrl to produce those players for any nrl club that wants them

The benefits for national reserve grade are clubs players have a seamless transition from under 16 to fg with uniform coaching and same players all the way through if they are good

And fans get an extra game to watch

Nothing changes for the qrl clubs except they don’t get the players from nrl clubs

And the nrl clubs themselves would be funding their reserve grade sides from their own revenue probably via increased nrl grant

There’s actually little change to the qrl or nswrl except the use of nrl players

The level of insularity is up there with English m62 league fans

 

[Wb1234]

You have little idea how it’s structured.

This goes beyond Q-Cup and the NRL clubs don’t pay that much. As we go down in grades; there’s actually little funding. QRL and individual QRL clubs fund the pathways.

Always have. I’m not actually sure why people are debating this still; there’s structure is what the structure is.




In a nutshell, yes. Your assessment here is pretty much on the line.

The qrl itself and the qrl clubs don’t have a tv deal or much crowd revenue

They get a share of the origin money and money from the nrl which is generated by the nrl clubs

That money is provided for them to develop those players

It’s bad enough the qrl and nswrl get so much money which the nrl can’t control and there is much duplication and waste

 

[Gobsmacked]

Why would we want our second tier the same size as the NRL?
We need depth greater than a 1 to 1 ratio anyway and developing players also..
We should be expanding the second tier to develop as many players as possible. Smart clubs like Brisbane and Storm benefit from having more than one feeder club.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

The qrl itself and the qrl clubs don’t have a tv deal or much crowd revenue

They get a share of the origin money and money from the nrl which is generated by the nrl clubs

That money is provided for them to develop those players

It’s bad enough the qrl and nswrl get so much money which the nrl can’t control and there is much duplication and waste

That’s because without QRL and NSWRL then the NRL has no actual AUS player stocks.

You’re looking at this from the perspective of seniors only; however QRL for example prop the entire RL structure up all the way from Under 6’s. It’s from those under 6’s that we even get to the seniors which then make up the stocks in the NRL.

QRL and NSW RL get money from the NRL because they are inherently the source. Not the NRL; that’s the final product.

In QLD - restructuring a reserve grade doesn’t change that comp per se but it definitely has flow on effects down the line and all the way back to the source; which is the junior clubs within district RL competitions. There is a much bigger picture here which I don’t think you’re seeing; as it’s evident that you can’t looked past reserve grade seniors.

So who gives a rats about what tv revenue or gate takings that QRL or NSWRL bring. They bring something more important; the players and the clubs that those players first play RL in.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s because without QRL and NSWRL then the NRL has no actual AUS player stocks.

You’re looking at this from the perspective of seniors only; however QRL for example prop the entire RL structure up all the way from Under 6’s. It’s from those under 6’s that we even get to the seniors which then make up the stocks in the NRL.

QRL and NSW RL get money from the NRL because they are inherently the source. Not the NRL; that’s the final product.

In QLD - restructuring a reserve grade doesn’t change that comp per se but it definitely has flow on effects down the line and all the way back to the source; which is the junior clubs within district RL competitions. There is a much bigger picture here which I don’t think you’re seeing; as it’s evident that you can’t looked past reserve grade seniors.

So who gives a rats about what tv revenue or gate takings that QRL or NSWRL bring. They bring something more important; the players and the clubs that whose players first play RL in.

Bringing in national rg has minimal to no impact on the qrl or nswrl if funding remains as is

Other than nrl clubs loaning their players

Penrith are the model

Clubs who don’t have similar pathways will struggle down the track

Qrl / nswrl aren’t revenue generators. They get allocated money from the nrl for a reason

If nrl clubs then sit on top of that pyramid to get the best players it’s exactly how it should be working

Edit : and down the track it should filter down to Harold Matt’s / Under 16 all the way to first grade

 

[Gobsmacked]

Yeh it’s their job for the funding they get from the nrl to produce those players for any nrl club that wants them

The benefits for national reserve grade are clubs players have a seamless transition from under 16 to fg with uniform coaching and same players all the way through if they are good

And fans get an extra game to watch

Nothing changes for the qrl clubs except they don’t get the players from nrl clubs

And the nrl clubs themselves would be funding their reserve grade sides from their own revenue probably via increased nrl grant

There’s actually little change to the qrl or nswrl except the use of nrl players

The level of insularity is up there with English m62 league fans

It's funny because that's one part of the English system that I envy!
Sheffield
York
Bradford
Ect ect ... Rugby league cities have a team in the second tier, keeping Rugby league alive and thriving despite not being in SL.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Bringing in national rg has minimal to no impact on the qrl or nswrl if funding remains as is

Other than nrl clubs loaning their players

Penrith are the model

Clubs who don’t have similar pathways will struggle down the track

Qrl / nswrl aren’t revenue generators. They get allocated money from the nrl for a reason

If nrl clubs then sit on top of that pyramid to get the best players it’s exactly how it should be working

Edit : and down the track it should filter down to Harold Matt’s / Under 16 all the way to first grade

i dont think youre understanding whats being explained to ya lol.

cmon mate ya smarter than that.

qrl and nswrl dont have to be revenue generators, ya literally been told theyre resource generators. i know ya like to argue and debate but i think you're outclassed here. all g

 

[Growthegame]

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[Perth Red]

Its weird people arguing against it when all thats been advocated is the exact system that happens for NRl clubs in NSW and now happening for Auckland, Melbourne etc. As Qlnd gets more NRL clubs its logical it will fall in line with what NSW NRL clubs have always done. The WQRL situation only exists as there was so few Qlnd NRL clubs and it gave other NRL clubs outside Qlnd an opportunity to tap into Qlnd talent.

Where that leaves NSW and QRL clubs who are not NRL clubs is the question, and brings me back to a vibrant two conference NRL championship made up of locations without an NRL club to give locals someone to follow and play for.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Its weird people arguing against it when all thats been advocated is the exact system that happens for NRl clubs in NSW and now happening for Auckland, Melbourne etc. As Qlnd gets more NRL clubs its logical it will fall in line with what NSW NRL clubs have always done. The WQRL situation only exists as there was so few Qlnd NRL clubs and it gave other NRL clubs outside Qlnd an opportunity to tap into Qlnd talent.

Where that leaves NSW and QRL clubs who are not NRL clubs is the question, and brings me back to a vibrant two conference NRL championship made up of locations without an NRL club to give locals someone to follow and play for.

Queensland is not NSW.
Queensland is not NSW.
Queensland is not NSW.

Mackay- semi city 400km from Cowboys

Rockhampton- semi city 800km from Brisbane and 800km from Cowboys

Cairns- semi city 400 km from Cowboys

Toowoomba city- 2 hours drive from Brisbane
Sunshine Coast- hr and a half from Brisbane

None big enough for thier own team.

NSW RL almost all the clubs around the city are in the NRL
The Brisbane comp lost the best players to the NSWRL and lost out to what became the NRL. Those clubs remain and they remain strong as a pathway to the NRL.

You guys are wanting to throw regional RL and over a hundred years of RL history under the bus..
And for what?
Call yourself RL fans?
f**k me.

 

[siv]

That’s what NSW Cup should become, being basically reserve grade with the same clubs is just a bit boring IMO, should be clubs with their own identities and regions like Queensland Cup. Doubt it will happen but might be a chance if NRL reserve grade happens.

Take the bigger non-NRL Sydney clubs with backing like St Mary’s, Wenty, Mounties & Workers. Rosellas for Newcastle, Wyong Roos for Central Coast. North Sydney Bears, Newtown, Steelers & Magpies. Then add in a Canberra side and a couple regional clubs, probably just Wagga/Riverina & Coffs/North Coast at least to start.

Can easily still be achieved after NRL Reserve Grade is established

 

[siv]

You want reserve garde and a third tier comp?

With what cash?

NRL Reserve Grade and NYC for elite players running out of the NRL $30-40 mil clubs

Qld Cup and NSW Cup can operate as they do today with part time players and their budget of $1-2 mil

Way too much money in the NRL these days

 

[siv]

We don't need a reserve comp.
We have a far better reserve comp in the QRL and NSW cup.
We have multiple players across multiple teams in multiple regions competing and learning for each other to choose from. A big wide comp to pull talent from.
A reserve grade reduces that into 4 teams in a few cities..
Absolute madness.

Is that why the NRL setup the NRLQ U20 series with only NRL clubs

 

[siv]

The NRL is not Rugby League.

Once you weaken region RL, the whole thing comes crashing down, and the standard falls off a cliff.

Cairns Kangaroos produce more rep players than the Dragons, Eels and Tigers.

250 players graduate from U20s every year across NSW and Qld

Short term pain for long term gain with increased participation numbers