Easts Tigers are too big to not be in the NRL

[siv]

What are you on about

Nrl clubs have been loaning their players to their feeder clubs for ages

Eg Newtown with sharks etc

The only change is their surplus players and juniors will be in their own branded team rather than a foreign team

Yes but other than Norths and Newtown ALL other entities no longer exist in NSW Cup

When Bears rejoin the NRL that will just leave Newtown

I dont count Wests who are really Wests-Tigers keeping the jersy alive

 

[Canard]

250 players graduate from U20s every year across NSW and Qld

Short term pain for long term gain with increased participation numbers

They don't have u20s in QLD, they have u19s (Mal Meninga Cup) and all the regional teams compete in this.

Actually what is your point here?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

It’s evidently clear that’s there’s 2 groups here.

1 group that comes from QLD and understands how the QRL structure works from Q-Cup level all the way down to regional and district comps that operate under those Q-Cup represented areas.

And another group that thinks hitting a reset, or dots on maps approach to take 4 clubs from QLD and throw them into NSW Cup to form a reserve grade is easy.

No one seems to understand where the money for such a restructure would come from and by paying for this revamped comp you’re depriving the source of all rugby league in junior clubs and districts, money.

Broncos, Titans and Cowboys & Storm aren’t going to pay for a Panthers like structure where it’s filtered all the way down to their district clubs.

There’s nothing wrong with how it’s operating now; in fact blowing a wad of cash over something that doesn’t actually change much from a top level but has repercussions down to its lower levels is ludicrous and a commercial kamikaze decision.

It’s like saying NFL and its 32 teams should only have the same amount of college teams. There’s 852 college teams that feed into those 32 NFL teams. There’s 28 nsw cup/qld cup teams that feed into the 17 current NRL teams. If anything Q Cup and NSW Cup should be increasing their comps by adding more districts and regional representation; not decreasing it to make some fantasy reserve grade comp.

 

[Gobsmacked]

It’s evidently clear that’s there’s 2 groups here.

1 group that comes from QLD and understands how the QRL structure works from Q-Cup level all the way down to regional and district comps that operate under those Q-Cup represented areas.

And another group that thinks hitting a reset, or dots on maps approach to take 4 clubs from QLD and throw them into NSW Cup to form a reserve grade is easy.

No one seems to understand where the money for such a restructure would come from and by paying for this revamped comp you’re depriving the source of all rugby league in junior clubs and districts, money.

Broncos, Titans and Cowboys & Storm aren’t going to pay for a Panthers like structure where it’s filtered all the way down to their district clubs.

There’s nothing wrong with how it’s operating now; in fact blowing a wad of cash over something that doesn’t actually change much from a top level but has repercussions down to its lower levels is ludicrous and a commercial kamikaze decision.

It’s like saying NFL and its 32 teams should only have the same amount of college teams. There’s 852 college teams that feed into those 32 NFL teams. There’s 28 nsw cup/qld cup teams that feed into the 17 current NRL teams. If anything Q Cup and NSW Cup should be increasing their comps by adding more districts and regional representation; not decreasing it to make some fantasy reserve grade comp.

100%

 

[Wb1234]

It’s evidently clear that’s there’s 2 groups here.

1 group that comes from QLD and understands how the QRL structure works from Q-Cup level all the way down to regional and district comps that operate under those Q-Cup represented areas.

And another group that thinks hitting a reset, or dots on maps approach to take 4 clubs from QLD and throw them into NSW Cup to form a reserve grade is easy.

No one seems to understand where the money for such a restructure would come from and by paying for this revamped comp you’re depriving the source of all rugby league in junior clubs and districts, money.

Broncos, Titans and Cowboys & Storm aren’t going to pay for a Panthers like structure where it’s filtered all the way down to their district clubs.

There’s nothing wrong with how it’s operating now; in fact blowing a wad of cash over something that doesn’t actually change much from a top level but has repercussions down to its lower levels is ludicrous and a commercial kamikaze decision.

It’s like saying NFL and its 32 teams should only have the same amount of college teams. There’s 852 college teams that feed into those 32 NFL teams. There’s 28 nsw cup/qld cup teams that feed into the 17 current NRL teams. If anything Q Cup and NSW Cup should be increasing their comps by adding more districts and regional representation; not decreasing it to make some fantasy reserve grade comp.

So the four qld nrl sides aren’t from Queensland ?

Guess that makes up for taking Greg Inglis

 

[siv]

They don't have u20s in QLD, they have u19s (Mal Meninga Cup) and all the regional teams compete in this.

Actually what is your point here?

My point is that every year 250 players graduate

The following year another 250

The following year another 250

Etc

My point is Build a layer and players get more opportunities to play and develop. In 1 or 2 seasons any concern of not enough players for a layer gets addressed

 

[Pippen94]

It’s evidently clear that’s there’s 2 groups here.

1 group that comes from QLD and understands how the QRL structure works from Q-Cup level all the way down to regional and district comps that operate under those Q-Cup represented areas.

And another group that thinks hitting a reset, or dots on maps approach to take 4 clubs from QLD and throw them into NSW Cup to form a reserve grade is easy.

No one seems to understand where the money for such a restructure would come from and by paying for this revamped comp you’re depriving the source of all rugby league in junior clubs and districts, money.

Broncos, Titans and Cowboys & Storm aren’t going to pay for a Panthers like structure where it’s filtered all the way down to their district clubs.

There’s nothing wrong with how it’s operating now; in fact blowing a wad of cash over something that doesn’t actually change much from a top level but has repercussions down to its lower levels is ludicrous and a commercial kamikaze decision.

It’s like saying NFL and its 32 teams should only have the same amount of college teams. There’s 852 college teams that feed into those 32 NFL teams. There’s 28 nsw cup/qld cup teams that feed into the 17 current NRL teams. If anything Q Cup and NSW Cup should be increasing their comps by adding more districts and regional representation; not decreasing it to make some fantasy reserve grade comp.

College teams aren't reserves for NFL teams. Qld and NSW cup contain players who can be called up. G league in NBA is most apt comparison with late draft picks and short term contracted players generally assigned there alongside a full time squad. For convenience and marketing NBA teams give g league teams same branding and have been increasingly relocating them to same or nearby city.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

College teams aren't reserves for NFL teams. Qld and NSW cup contain players who can be called up. G league in NBA is most apt comparison with late draft picks and short term contracted players generally assigned there alongside a full time squad. For convenience and marketing NBA teams give g league teams same branding and have been increasingly relocating them to same or nearby city.

My point is that the college teams make up the source of players that go onto NFL. Just like QRL clubs make up % the source that go into NRL.

The big difference in this instance is that QRL clubs filter down into regions and districts which has been explained. @Wb1234 says clubs should follow the Penrith model; while that’s all great in principal, how does 3 SE QLD clubs and 1 North QLD club filter down into districts to align and streamline regions and districts some 500kms away? The way it works now is NRL pay QRL for their pathways structure and production of players.

By adding this national reserve grade comp then the money for that needs to come from somewhere. Likely from the same money that would otherwise go to QRL; however that same money at QRL level isn’t just paying for top flight state footy - it’s paying all the way down the pyramid. This is what people don’t seem to understand. You’re either spending new money for a redundant exercise (and pissing it away) because it looks pretty on paper, or you’re only moving money away from one critical element to create this fantasy reserve grade just because and it affects things all the way down the line.

 

[Wb1234]

My point is that the college teams make up the source of players that go onto NFL. Just like QRL clubs make up % the source that go into NRL.

The big difference in this instance is that QRL clubs filter down into regions and districts which has been explained. @Wb1234 says clubs should follow the Penrith model; while that’s all great in principal, how does 3 SE QLD clubs and 1 North QLD club filter down into districts to align and streamline regions and districts some 500kms away? The way it works now is NRL pay QRL for their pathways structure and production of players.

By adding this national reserve grade comp then the money for that needs to come from somewhere. Likely from the same money that would otherwise go to QRL; however that same money at QRL level isn’t just paying for top flight state footy - it’s paying all the way down the pyramid. This is what people don’t seem to understand. You’re either spending new money for a redundant exercise (and pissing it away) because it looks pretty on paper, or you’re only moving money away from one critical element to create this fantasy reserve grade just because and it affects things all the way down the line.

Qrl controls its own money which stays as is

Nrl clubs fund their rg sides themselves separately

From a higher grant by the nrl

So you would have more money being spent in nsw and qld than now

 

[Gobsmacked]

Qrl controls its own money which stays as is

Nrl clubs fund their rg sides themselves separately

From a higher grant by the nrl

So you would have more money being spent in nsw and qld than now

Lol I'm guessing you own a time share...

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Qrl controls its own money which stays as is

Nrl clubs fund their rg sides themselves separately

From a higher grant by the nrl

So you would have more money being spent in nsw and qld than now

but people are saying it should all align as in every team has reserve, jf, sg and hm

therefore for qld thats 16 extra sides that need overheads funding. thats coaches, staff, travel, accommodation, apparel etc etc. you reckon broncos or cows are gonna fund an extra 4 teams worth of players, managers, staff etc? The club grants arent expanding THAT much,
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on top of that then how do you police a club like broncos favouring wynnum instead of say souths logan. so what happens to souths logan pathways or footy districts as bear is saying? if cowboys have a continued stoush with townsville rl then how do you mitigate that? at the moments blackhawks are the peak of that district rl, like cutters are the peak of mackay rl and so on and so forth. qrl distributes the cash fairly evenly i would think beyond q cup sides. maybe they dont but it is distributed.
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how would storm work? they have their own comp in vic but are still heavily reliant on easts tigers and sunny coast falcons which then those clubs are reliant on brl and scrl fior them pathways that feeds into those qcup sides. theres so many layers lol there's extra clubs coming in too taking the pie, the pie can only be spread so much downstreams.
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irrational thinking by non's business people, or rugby league people for that matters,

 

[Wb1234]

but people are saying it should all align as in every team has reserve, jf, sg and hm

therefore for qld thats 16 extra sides that need overheads funding. thats coaches, staff, travel, accommodation, apparel etc etc. you reckon broncos or cows are gonna fund an extra 4 teams worth of players, managers, staff etc? The club grants arent expanding THAT much,
****
on top of that then how do you police a club like broncos favouring wynnum instead of say souths logan. so what happens to souths logan pathways or footy districts as bear is saying? if cowboys have a continued stoush with townsville rl then how do you mitigate that? at the moments blackhawks are the peak of that district rl, like cutters are the peak of mackay rl and so on and so forth. qrl distributes the cash fairly evenly i would think beyond q cup sides. maybe they dont but it is distributed.
****
how would storm work? they have their own comp in vic but are still heavily reliant on easts tigers and sunny coast falcons which then those clubs are reliant on brl and scrl fior them pathways that feeds into those qcup sides. theres so many layers lol there's extra clubs coming in too taking the pie, the pie can only be spread so much downstreams.
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irrational thinking by non's business people, or rugby league people for that matters,

Pvl is the one pushing it

How it integrates with the qrl and nswrl doesn’t have to mean it harms beneath it

It could be extra money spent

But yeh who wants more money spent on rugby league pathways lmao

The nswrl and qrl can focus on clubs in areas not covered by nrl clubs

 

[SirPies&Beers]

My point is that the college teams make up the source of players that go onto NFL. Just like QRL clubs make up % the source that go into NRL.

The big difference in this instance is that QRL clubs filter down into regions and districts which has been explained. @Wb1234 says clubs should follow the Penrith model; while that’s all great in principal, how does 3 SE QLD clubs and 1 North QLD club filter down into districts to align and streamline regions and districts some 500kms away? The way it works now is NRL pay QRL for their pathways structure and production of players.

By adding this national reserve grade comp then the money for that needs to come from somewhere. Likely from the same money that would otherwise go to QRL; however that same money at QRL level isn’t just paying for top flight state footy - it’s paying all the way down the pyramid. This is what people don’t seem to understand. You’re either spending new money for a redundant exercise (and pissing it away) because it looks pretty on paper, or you’re only moving money away from one critical element to create this fantasy reserve grade just because and it affects things all the way down the line.

probably needs to be said. while i 100% agree with your points on this matter, i have a feelings that you might have some sort of involvement with qrl. either financially or sponsor or some other way. cant say that there would be THAT many people who have an equal passion for bears coming back but also queenslander rugby league. are you ben ikin or billy moore?? lol

 

[siv]

adding this national reserve grade comp then the money for that needs to come from somewhere

This money is already covered by the current NRL grants for 30+6 players plus coaching structure

NRL has already started running NRLQ U20s too

Why send money to the QRL or NSWRL to send elsewhere?

 

[siv]

how would storm work? t

Storm and Warriors currently play in the NSWRL U21s U19s and U17s. Warriors too at RG

While Storm use Bears in RG, this will change soon

 

[Gobsmacked]

Storm and Warriors currently play in the NSWRL U21s U19s and U17s. Warriors too at RG

While Storm use Bears in RG, this will change soon

The Warriors and the Storm represent far too large and area for only one development team. Warriors sitting top of the ladder is evidence of that. So how many prospects miss out on opportunities in NZ?
NZ needs a feeder comp of its own akin to Q cup or as has already been explained, should be a catalyst for an expanded NSW cup to include:
Wellington
Christchurch
Dunedin
Hamilton
Melbourne
Fiji
Central Coast

 

[Wb1234]

The nrl wants this they think it will be good for the game

The qrl doesn’t out of irrational fears their funding will be cut

Ultimately the games custodian is the nrl and that includes qld

The nswrl and qrl can’t be trusted to do what’s good for the overall game of rugby league

They do serve important roles growing participation and areas without an nrl team and that’s where they should focus and leave the nrl and their clubs to do what’s best overall

 

[Wb1234]

probably needs to be said. while i 100% agree with your points on this matter, i have a feelings that you might have some sort of involvement with qrl. either financially or sponsor or some other way. cant say that there would be THAT many people who have an equal passion for bears coming back but also queenslander rugby league. are you ben ikin or billy moore?? lol

He’s duncan Thompson

 

[Perth Red]

Queensland is not NSW.
Queensland is not NSW.
Queensland is not NSW.

Mackay- semi city 400km from Cowboys

Rockhampton- semi city 800km from Brisbane and 800km from Cowboys

Cairns- semi city 400 km from Cowboys

Toowoomba city- 2 hours drive from Brisbane
Sunshine Coast- hr and a half from Brisbane

None big enough for thier own team.

NSW RL almost all the clubs around the city are in the NRL
The Brisbane comp lost the best players to the NSWRL and lost out to what became the NRL. Those clubs remain and they remain strong as a pathway to the NRL.

You guys are wanting to throw regional RL and over a hundred years of RL history under the bus..
And for what?
Call yourself RL fans?
f**k me.

youre really struggling to understand what the alternative view is here aren't you?

All of those places would still have a team and a jnr system, just that it would be in a legit competition that actually had meaning.

 

[Perth Red]

My point is that the college teams make up the source of players that go onto NFL. Just like QRL clubs make up % the source that go into NRL.

The big difference in this instance is that QRL clubs filter down into regions and districts which has been explained. @Wb1234 says clubs should follow the Penrith model; while that’s all great in principal, how does 3 SE QLD clubs and 1 North QLD club filter down into districts to align and streamline regions and districts some 500kms away? The way it works now is NRL pay QRL for their pathways structure and production of players.

By adding this national reserve grade comp then the money for that needs to come from somewhere. Likely from the same money that would otherwise go to QRL; however that same money at QRL level isn’t just paying for top flight state footy - it’s paying all the way down the pyramid. This is what people don’t seem to understand. You’re either spending new money for a redundant exercise (and pissing it away) because it looks pretty on paper, or you’re only moving money away from one critical element to create this fantasy reserve grade just because and it affects things all the way down the line.

Not sure why you're bringing up NFL, they have a totally different system to anythign like RL here.
They have big enough squads they effectively carry a reserve grade side in the first team squad. They have nothing at all to do with player development and leave that to third parties (high schools then colleges) and have a draft to pick out of that system the first grade.

NRL reserve grade is inevitable at some time regardless of how Qlnders feel about the QRL cup. It was only every stopped due to clubs not affording it. They can now and it will return. As will a national U21's or U20's
If the NRL get their $600mill tv deal we could see major changes from 2028 on.