Sack Flanagan

[Kit Kat]

What amazes me is the pressers post match in the first couple of rounds were displays of frustration, anger and disappointment at the halfback for not steering the team around and closing out games. At this stage of the season we can't close out games but there's a resignation to the fact we don't have the skilful player in the halfback spot to do it....... so more mellowed pressers.

 

[Inisai Toga]

The whole narrative around coaches ‘getting the squad the coach wants’ in the game is absolute dribble! They sign up to implement change from the get go. If you can’t demonstrate change with the squad you’ve got then don’t take the assignment in the first place. Understand that transition periods and building is real but it’s way overplayed (across the clubs) to rationalise sub performance imo. If you wait till a coach finally ‘got the side’ he wanted, then half the bloody forum could qualify as a first grade coach, because you’d have such a strong squad.

 

[Hound of Dracula]

Tim Sheen's said there are two type of coaches, one that has been sacked and the other waiting to be sacked, it's a result driven business, those results are based on wins and losses, fans don't care about the other fluff.
If you can't handle the heat, become an aged care worker on $30 an hour!
As far as I'm concerned, if St George aren't sitting top 6 next year at this point, I would be searching for someone else and not DY!

So basically, with you not considering the cattle and management, you want Jesus as coach?

 

[possm]

Completely agree that Flanagan like Griffin before him, has been given a fair opportunity and so far hasn't delivered. You can also throw Andrew Webster's name in there too, took the Warriors to 4th in his first season in charge when they finished 15th the year before.

There's no reason why a new coach couldn't come in and get better results and improve the squad from day dot.

I'd be happier if Young were sacked prior to Flanagan's position being considered. We would be going backwards with Young as Head Coach.

 

[I'm Hornby]

I'd be happier if Young were sacked prior to Flanagan's position being considered. We would be going backwards with Young has Head Coach.

A new head coach will pick their own assistants and rightly so. Flanagan as head coach appointed young to be his assistant, so that is on him and no one else. This premise that Young should be the scapegoat for Flanagan is absurd.

To the other point Possm, it's not as if this is an election between two politicians, there is a number of potential coaches out there and many would be a good choice and would do a better job than Flanagan. Automatically assuming that Young is the only alternative is illogical and a complete fallacy.

 

[saintmar]

Fact - bottom 2 squad
Fact - most experts predicted the spoon for 2024 and 2025
Fact - pass mark for 2024
Fact - still 8 rounds to go in 2025
Fact - doesn't yet have "his" squad
Fact - had 3 origin or ex-origin players want out, 2 before he arrived and 1 in the off season. Unconfirmed, but Molo wanted out - not because of SFlann.
Fact - club handed him a squad with a lot of dead wood that still had a few years on their contracts and unable to be moved on and generally stinking up the place.
Fact - unusually high injury numbers for season 2025 so far.
Fact - could easily have won another 6 or 7 games so far in 2025.
Fact - only lost 2 games by big margins.
Fact - has debuted 5 or 6 young guns.
SFlann has done OK under the shitty circumstances.
He is being marked extremely hard on here even though the reality is that not many thought we'd be competing in nearly every game. Marking standard needs to be realistic. We only have 2 players in the whole squad that would be guaranteed a start in ALL other NRL teams......Holmes and Sua.
You only have to look at the comments on this forum before games against Storm, Broncs, Sharks, Raiders, Roosters ...... "they'll put 50 on us". Etc, etc. Our forum morons leading the chorus each game.

Fact you are living in Flano Wonderland
Fact it’s his roster now with over 20 out of the 28 players being his signings and that doesn’t include the young debutants
Fact we lost Latu who wanted to stay with poor negotiation
Fact when he had the chance to get rid of the biggest dead wood log in the roster,Benny Hunt,he refused to do so,then after a year of realising he screwed up he claimed the hero status for showing him the door
Fact he chased every front rower on the market
AFB May Lodge RCG Hazelton Fifita to name a few and ended up with bananas, so if you want to overhaul the roster he ain’t the man
Fact his winning standards are below McGregor and if he doesn’t win 6 of the last eight we will have won less games then the previous year and that’s going BACKWARDS
Fact he needs to get us higher then 10th to improve on Griffins second year and he was SACKED
Fact his team selections are questionable
Fact your claim of 6 to 7 extra wins is laughable
Fact,Two of the one point losses were when Ilias was the halfback and he sacked him and showed no patience with him,why should the board show any patience with his 17 out of 40 game failing record?
Fact we have gone through our softer draw and are coming up to the harder draw for us with a very poor win ratio
Fact you claim injury excuses, have a look at the injuries of clubs like the Dolphins and Warriors
Fact you have every excuse for our current failures but refuse to see the facts because the truth is not Flano wonderland
Fact as you say there is 8 games to go that’s a third of the season so can you stop making excuses and hope Flano gets us in the 8 so he can save his job
or is it ?
Fact you are scared to admit he can not get us there and that’s why you have started your EXCUSE POST

 

[possm]

A new head coach will pick their own assistants and rightly so. Flanagan as head coach appointed young to be his assistant, so that is on him and no one else. This premise that Young should be the scapegoat for Flanagan is absurd.

To the other point Possm, it's not as if this is an election between two politicians, there is a number of potential coaches out there and many would be a good choice and would do a better job than Flanagan. Automatically assuming that Young is the only alternative is illogical and a complete fallacy.

in my opinion, Young's appointment as assistant coach would have been a precondition of Flanno's appointment. I say this after seeing the results of backroom deals done for years. So I just don't trust management to do things above board.

The main thing is that Young has done nothing to earn the dead coach position.

 

[Miller was a legend]

It’s not like Flanno hasn’t tried to target better quality players for key positions. They just keep saying thanks but no thanks.
It’s clearly not a money issue, so that suggests the club isn’t an attractive proposition for whatever reasons.

It’s hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys, as they say.

 

[jeffdragon]

Fact you are living in Flano Wonderland
Fact it’s his roster now with over 20 out of the 28 players being his signings and that doesn’t include the young debutants
Fact we lost Latu who wanted to stay with poor negotiation
Fact when he had the chance to get rid of the biggest dead wood log in the roster,Benny Hunt,he refused to do so,then after a year of realising he screwed up he claimed the hero status for showing him the door
Fact he chased every front rower on the market
AFB May Lodge RCG Hazelton Fifita to name a few and ended up with bananas, so if you want to overhaul the roster he ain’t the man
Fact his winning standards are below McGregor and if he doesn’t win 6 of the last eight we will have won less games then the previous year and that’s going BACKWARDS
Fact he needs to get us higher then 10th to improve on Griffins second year and he was SACKED
Fact his team selections are questionable
Fact your claim of 6 to 7 extra wins is laughable
Fact,Two of the one point losses were when Ilias was the halfback and he sacked him and showed no patience with him,why should the board show any patience with his 17 out of 40 game failing record?
Fact we have gone through our softer draw and are coming up to the harder draw for us with a very poor win ratio
Fact you claim injury excuses, have a look at the injuries of clubs like the Dolphins and Warriors
Fact you have every excuse for our current failures but refuse to see the facts because the truth is not Flano wonderland
Fact as you say there is 8 games to go that’s a third of the season so can you stop making excuses and hope Flano gets us in the 8 so he can save his job
or is it ?
Fact you are scared to admit he can not get us there and that’s why you have started your EXCUSE POST

Had chances to sign forwards mentioned and 0.
This many chances lost .
Competing is one thing but wins and losses are what counts.
There are injuries but you others can cover we can't.

 

[redVinme]

Fact. Old mate is unstable and shouldn't have access to a keyboard without support staff in the room

 

[Mojo]

So basically, with you not considering the cattle and management, you want Jesus as coach?

Jesus’ earthly career ended fairly dramatically and even he was appealing for assistance from his old man at the end.

 

[I'm Hornby]

in my opinion, Young's appointment as assistant coach would have been a precondition of Flanno's appointment. I say this after seeing the results of backroom deals done for years. So I just don't trust management to do things above board.

The main thing is that Young has done nothing to earn the dead coach position.

Yes I agree, however more fool Flanno for agreeing to such a condition if true.

Surely an experienced premiership winning coach would know they need to pick their own assistants? Even Hook understood that.

 

[I'm Hornby]

It’s not like Flanno hasn’t tried to target better quality players for key positions. They just keep saying thanks but no thanks.
It’s clearly not a money issue, so that suggests the club isn’t an attractive proposition for whatever reasons.

It’s hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys, as they say.

Trying is one thing, doing is another.

It's certainly not an excuse for us to keep Flanagan around indefinitely because poor Shane has tried his best and it just hasn't panned out.

He said he'd have the ability to sign big names and bring through juniors which he claims lead to the premiership win with your men, however so far it is more of the same with him and our previous coaches.
More of the same in signing has beens only.
More of the same in not properly bringing through juniors (most of our favourite juniors are playing ressies the past few weeks while he persists with flops like Guler, Klemmer, Lawrie etc).
More of the same with playing favourites like picking Kyle each and every week.

The club is more of a mess now than when he began and we won't be able to truely change course for the better until Flanagan is moved on.

 

[Saints supporter]

It’s not like Flanno hasn’t tried to target better quality players for key positions. They just keep saying thanks but no thanks.
It’s clearly not a money issue, so that suggests the club isn’t an attractive proposition for whatever reasons.

It’s hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys, as they say.

I think this is a most pressing issue for the club. I don't know if it is a perceived culture issue, money issue or something else but we continually fail to secure the marquee signings we require. For many years now we've had a history of quality players busting their arse to get out of the place rather than get in eg Tyson Frizell. Also local juniors here (even sons of former club icons) can't wait to get out of the place and sign with someone else. Add to this the poor turnout to club functions and the perceived poor treatment of former club greats and there does seem to be a negative shadow cast over the club. Contrast this with the "once a Rooster always a Rooster" rhetoric and the pride that is shown in their jersey and the perception that they look after their players....I think as a club we are missing something.
It's definately not Flannos fault it's been going on for a many years now. We need to be a destination of first choice. Even the Tigers are signing players of high quality so it is not all about position on the premiership ladder.

 

[Illusion]

in my opinion, Young's appointment as assistant coach would have been a precondition of Flanno's appointment. I say this after seeing the results of backroom deals done for years. So I just don't trust management to do things above board.

The main thing is that Young has done nothing to earn the dead coach position.

I agree here possm , with the precondition of Young , this smells like a St George Illawarra and daddy thing ........

 

[denis preston]

It's sad when the fan base is tougher than the team itself and even worse when the fan base start "tapping out" because they can't endure anymore pain.

I don’t consider whining & never acknowledging anything the club does from some ”supporters “ as being tough. Far from it . There are a few on here I wouldn’t like to be in the trenches with !

 

[Saints supporter]

It just takes a couple of losses then the Old Whiner trots out his anti Flanno agenda again. Predictable.

 

[steerlerbab]

This year was always going to be rebuilding year. A lot of young guns were going to be bloodied and hone their skills. Unfortunately, a lot of injuries has delayed it. Couchmans, Egan, Hamish, Finau, Fifita, LPT, LKT, Tsougranis and old hands like Cook, Gato, Klemmer and Valentine were brought to pass their wisdom. Unfortunately, injuries to certain extend has derailed this plan.

Let's be fair , even likes of Bennett and Belamy would have a hard time to take our current team to top 8. Comparing Flanno's 2025 squad to Mary's 2018 squad that made the finals and under a better coach could have made GF is completely unfair. Some of the names from that team for comparisson

Halves: Hunt/Widdop
Front row: Graham, McInnes, Ah Mah
Back row: Sims, De Belin and Frizell

 

[kit66]

Completely agree that Flanagan like Griffin before him, has been given a fair opportunity and so far hasn't delivered. You can also throw Andrew Webster's name in there too, took the Warriors to 4th in his first season in charge when they finished 15th the year before.

There's no reason why a new coach couldn't come in and get better results and improve the squad from day dot.

I can think of 30, or a large number thereof.

 

[possm]

Had chances to sign forwards mentioned and 0.
This many chances lost .
Competing is one thing but wins and losses are what counts.
There are injuries but you others can cover we can't.

I'd say that most of the recruitment problems result from:
Player managers recommend not going to the Dragons.
The Board did not hire a recruitment manager and staff.
Flanagan is not a good recruiter.
The Board is too slow in approving player contracts.