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Sack Adam O'Brien

perverse

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We have. If the attacking form since the Manly game - still not great, but acceptable in the circumstances - had been the case all season, I don't think the fanbase is baying for blood quite so much.

It wasn't just bad before that, it was historically bad. Putrid. They have quite clearly changed approach a lot starting with halftime in that Manly game and I feel like I'm being gaslit when it's suggested that's not the case. We're not inside the four walls of the club so we don't know what to point the finger at for that, all we have is suspicion, but I don't think pissing away more than half a season on something which Helen Keller could see just wasn't working, out of pure stubbornness, can be excused. I'm not going to forget it or excuse it because we've put in some decent performances since. I demand better from my club.
It's not just this season, it's every season under O'Brien. This season was just the worst yet. We play the most dogshit football until we're well and truly in the toilet, then suddenly the shackles come off. It's incredibly consistent. It's insane that it's allowed to happen year after year and lessons are still unlearned, but here we are in year 6 and nothing has changed. You're correct that no-one outside of the walls of the club would know for certain why that is, but there are simple explanations that fit.

At the end of the day there's a bloke we pay good money to oversee this stuff. It rhymes with "Red Broach".
 

perverse

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How do you know it isn’t the other way around?
Mainly because all the smoke we get out of the club, like Gags recently in an interview saying that Greeny was the one that told him he was playing fullback recently, indicates otherwise.

It would also be weird if we started the year not under the Head Coaches directive. Basically the other way around makes less sense, and the evidence we have indicates the opposite. You need more mental gymnastics to go in the other direction, but people like yourself might I guess. None of us really know with certainty.

I suppose it's also the fact that this bland ass AOB ball has persisted through multiple attacking coaches at this point. Again, more evidence.
 

HarVeeGee

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It's not just this season, it's every season under O'Brien. This season was just the worst yet. We play the most dogshit football until we're well and truly in the toilet, then suddenly the shackles come off. It's incredibly consistent. It's insane that it's allowed to happen year after year and lessons are still unlearned, but here we are in year 6 and nothing has changed. You're correct that no-one outside of the walls of the club would know for certain why that is, but there are simple explanations that fit.

At the end of the day there's a bloke we pay good money to oversee this stuff. It rhymes with "Red Broach".
1000%

But maybe for some reason it will be different once you give him Brown and Sharpe as his halves. No chance at all he puts them in handcuffs! No chance he does the same thing he’s done every season except the one he had to delegate to his assistants while his mum was dying. Smooth sailing from here.
 

Alex28

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He’s been in the attack job for 4 seasons now. To think he is not responsible at all for our attack, and it’s 100% AOB dictating that is absurd. They are both responsible.
 

HarVeeGee

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See but I don’t think the issue is the way the attack is designed, the plays we’re running. We’ve seen over the past few weeks or so that the shapes do actually work, these guys can create space for the outside backs. The issue is in the whole game approach.

I’ve heard Adam himself talk in a now deleted podcast (Brett Finch hosted it) about the transformation he oversaw of Melbourne’s attack for 2017. Basically the way he puts it, the key thing was Bellyache showing the willingness to transition from the conservative play Melbourne had been known for before that, to a faster, more open style where they were prepared to attack from their own half. Bellyache being happy that the defence was good enough that he was happy to accept more sets defending the try line if the side made more errors, as it was likely to. The tradeoff of better ball more often to the wide strike players they had was worth it. I somehow doubt Adzy totally revolutionised the attacking system in three months - the biggest change was the overall approach, the mindset. The game plan.

The game plan has been the issue for us this year, not that the players are constitutionally incapable of doing stuff in attack or don’t understand how to run the shapes they’ve learned. They know. The game plan has had them in handcuffs. The game plan is overwhelmingly the responsibility of the head coach.
 

Zoidberg

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I’ve heard Adam himself talk in a now deleted podcast (Brett Finch hosted it) about the transformation he oversaw of Melbourne’s attack for 2017. Basically the way he puts it, the key thing was Bellyache showing the willingness to transition from the conservative play Melbourne had been known for before that, to a faster, more open style where they were prepared to attack from their own half.
Now that I think about it, that’s how a lot of our good attack comes about, even from the 2023 run. We look good attacking from 40+ metres out, it’s our attack in the 20m that is shit.
We can’t handle the defence in our face. Need to play deeper in that area.
 
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