Sack Flanagan

[maestro1]

Yes Souths were impressive. i cannot take that away from them. Credit to Wayne the GOAT there. And yes I have to agree with you on this. I wish the Dragons repaid the fans with performances like this.

F

can. we have a semi final series (since our team misses out) i’m hornby & saintmar vs crush & maestro with kingflanno as 18th man

Firstly, I have the "I hate Flanno" Trinity on ignore. Secondly, You know that it is only one poster using multiple accounts. It is bliss not dragging myself down to the gutter. Since oI put this moron on ignore, he has resorted to posting a laughing emoji to 90% of my posts. The laughing emoji is Fitting for this clown. Fxcking stalker. I refuse to engage with this plank.

 

[i0Nic]

If we won just 2-3 of those close losses the season would be looking very different now and definitely better than most would have expected this year. Unfortunately we didn’t and were sitting about where we feared we might be at the start of the year.

 

[shazam]

Coaching, management, mentoring and leading is ALWAYS about getting the absolute most out of your players/workers/staff. Our squad is basically made up of the following:

* Current rep level players (Val and Sua)
* Good serviceable NRL level players (Liddle, ChristanT)
* Young guns that are still pups (TCouch, RCouch, HStewart, Dylan Egan, LKT, LPT, VFafita, Tsougranis)
* Union convert in embryo stage of NRL (Lawson)
* Old ex-representative players in their twilight (Klemmer, Cook, Gutho, C Allen, JDB)
* Journeyman who have never reached their potential (Suli, KFlann, Guler, Ilias)
* Players that arent NRL level and only to see 1st Grade if injuries ravage us (Lawrie, M Molo, RFM, BMM)
* Players that promised the world potentially but just can't get there (Sloan, Sione Finau, Luciano)

Obviously players can fit into a number of these categories, but I have placed them in the ones that IMHO they fit best.

This squad has over-achieved. Credit for this must go to firstly, the players themselves for having the desire to play above your ceiling and secondly to the Coaches/Leaders for being able to extract that extra bit out of the individual player. This extra bit, when accumulated together via the TEAM performance adds up to a team playing WAY above the expectations of any "expert" or fan.
We all get frustrated when we see our players do DUMB shit or not be able to execute a fundamental skill or not be quick enough to close a gap, or not be able to score a miracle Xavier Coates type of try, or tap on a slick pass to your winger. But the reality is that our players are just that LITTTLE BIT to young/green, to old, to slow, to immobile, to dumb, to small, to regimented, too unskilled, too weak, too lacking in confidence. The squad lack of quality is not a myth, it is a FACT.
In all our games the commentators, fans, posters on this forum, experts give us no chance in every game and then we push the Raiders, Dogs, Roosters, Warriors,Sharks, etc, beat the Eagles, Storm, Broncos, etc and everyone is in disbelief that not only did we not concede a 50 burger, but nearly won and in a handful of those losses, were actually the better team and lost. Being too young, slow, unskilled, dumb, immobile, etc, is why we lose the close games. Our effort, desire, etc gets us to the point where we are in it up to our eyeballs, but then our lack of ability means we lose most of the close games. Intelligence, speed, athleticism, natural talent are all God given and cannot be coached. All these can be increased by really small margins by training, repetition, etc but the increase to God given talents can only be improved by negligible amounts. Eg, if a player is inherently a slow runner, doing sprints will help to increase that players speed, but not enough that he can run down the FOX.

When compounded by the unbelievable injury list and that with each long term injury you are now asking a player who technically is younger, dumber, less skilled, less experienced, has less ability to come in and play at the level of the player that just got injured, and multiply that by 7 or 8 injured players and you can see why we just don't have the cattle to win these close games. Heck. It's a miracle we are still competing

Really good post

 

[i0Nic]

Unfortunately I also think the wooden spoon is a likely possibility with our tough run home.

 

[Gardenia]

F Firstly, I have the "I hate Flanno" Trinity on ignore. Secondly, You know that it is only one poster using multiple accounts. It is bliss not dragging myself down to the gutter. Since oI put this moron on ignore, he has resorted to posting a laughing emoji to 90% of my posts. The laughing emoji is Fitting for this clown. Fxcking stalker. I refuse to engage with this plank.

F

Firstly, I have the "I hate Flanno" Trinity on ignore. Secondly, You know that it is only one poster using multiple accounts. It is bliss not dragging myself down to the gutter. Since oI put this moron on ignore, he has resorted to posting a laughing emoji to 90% of my posts. The laughing emoji is Fitting for this clown. Fxcking stalker. I refuse to engage with this plank.

Buddy if you think I am one of the I hate Flanno Trinity, I suggest you go back and read my posts.

 

[Gardenia]

Unfortunately I also think the wooden spoon is a likely possibility with our tough run home.

I think the differentials will save us.

 

[maestro1]

Buddy if you think I am one of the I hate Flanno Trinity, I suggest you go back and read my posts.

I wasn't including you in the Trinity. StMar, I'm Hornby, KingFlanno are the three.

 

[maestro1]

F

Firstly, I have the "I hate Flanno" Trinity on ignore. Secondly, You know that it is only one poster using multiple accounts. It is bliss not dragging myself down to the gutter. Since oI put this moron on ignore, he has resorted to posting a laughing emoji to 90% of my posts. The laughing emoji is Fitting for this clown. Fxcking stalker. I refuse to engage with this plank.

Oh look.......the stalker just gave me another two laughing emojis. Must be hating being ignored.

 

[I'm Hornby]

Coaching, management, mentoring and leading is ALWAYS about getting the absolute most out of your players/workers/staff. Our squad is basically made up of the following:

* Current rep level players (Val and Sua)
* Good serviceable NRL level players (Liddle, ChristanT)
* Young guns that are still pups (TCouch, RCouch, HStewart, Dylan Egan, LKT, LPT, VFafita, Tsougranis)
* Union convert in embryo stage of NRL (Lawson)
* Old ex-representative players in their twilight (Klemmer, Cook, Gutho, C Allen, JDB)
* Journeyman who have never reached their potential (Suli, KFlann, Guler, Ilias)
* Players that arent NRL level and only to see 1st Grade if injuries ravage us (Lawrie, M Molo, RFM, BMM)
* Players that promised the world potentially but just can't get there (Sloan, Sione Finau, Luciano)

Obviously players can fit into a number of these categories, but I have placed them in the ones that IMHO they fit best.

This squad has over-achieved. Credit for this must go to firstly, the players themselves for having the desire to play above your ceiling and secondly to the Coaches/Leaders for being able to extract that extra bit out of the individual player. This extra bit, when accumulated together via the TEAM performance adds up to a team playing WAY above the expectations of any "expert" or fan.
We all get frustrated when we see our players do DUMB shit or not be able to execute a fundamental skill or not be quick enough to close a gap, or not be able to score a miracle Xavier Coates type of try, or tap on a slick pass to your winger. But the reality is that our players are just that LITTTLE BIT to young/green, to old, to slow, to immobile, to dumb, to small, to regimented, too unskilled, too weak, too lacking in confidence. The squad lack of quality is not a myth, it is a FACT.
In all our games the commentators, fans, posters on this forum, experts give us no chance in every game and then we push the Raiders, Dogs, Roosters, Warriors,Sharks, etc, beat the Eagles, Storm, Broncos, etc and everyone is in disbelief that not only did we not concede a 50 burger, but nearly won and in a handful of those losses, were actually the better team and lost. Being too young, slow, unskilled, dumb, immobile, etc, is why we lose the close games. Our effort, desire, etc gets us to the point where we are in it up to our eyeballs, but then our lack of ability means we lose most of the close games. Intelligence, speed, athleticism, natural talent are all God given and cannot be coached. All these can be increased by really small margins by training, repetition, etc but the increase to God given talents can only be improved by negligible amounts. Eg, if a player is inherently a slow runner, doing sprints will help to increase that players speed, but not enough that he can run down the FOX.

When compounded by the unbelievable injury list and that with each long term injury you are now asking a player who technically is younger, dumber, less skilled, less experienced, has less ability to come in and play at the level of the player that just got injured, and multiply that by 7 or 8 injured players and you can see why we just don't have the cattle to win these close games. Heck. It's a miracle we are still competing

Oh wow, I see it has taken you two days since the last inspid performance to write multiple paragraphs and reintroduce your 'we don't have the cattle' and 'its a miracle we're competing' excuses.

As I pointed out to another member yesterday, coaches are judged on wins and losses ultimately. You will not find a coach in the NRL era who has been extended by a club after three seasons of less than 50% win loss ratios.
Any guesses for what that is the case?

1) 2-3 years is plenty of time for a coach to stamp their authority on the club and overhaul the roster. This is very much Flanagan's roster.

2) 2-3 years is plenty of time for a coach to have the team winning consistently regardless of injuries, officiating or any other things that are just part and parcel of Rugby League.

Flanagan's coaching at the dragons is on the downward trajectory, we are a more than fair chance at winning a spoon this year and your excuses will not wash well with anyone then.

 

[Dragons4me]

Good on you for supporting him but at 33% and dropping fast winning percentage this year you must like the club at the bottom of the ladder

No I don't but me just adding similar criticism like some are doing is just nothing more than venting. That's fine but not for me. The argument gains credibility when those who are really to blame are exposed and held accountable. We have a coach who has won a GF. SFlann must look at what Ciraldo has been given and gets to work with and shake his head. He is the public face of critique in every post game interview while the Ciraldo's and other newbie coaches are lauded and fawned over. How long before SFlann throws his hands up in frustration and walks away?

 

[Gardenia]

I wasn't including you in the Trinity. StMar, I'm Hornby, KingFlanno are the three.

My bad, I got confused by being quoted! To clarify, I’ve been a Flanno fan from the start and still believe he’s a good coach. Lately, though, I’ve found myself feeling a bit disillusioned with the team’s performance. Then I remind myself that our roster and depth are a lot weaker compared to other teams, which definitely puts things in perspective.

 

[twinkletoes]

My bad, I got confused by being quoted! To clarify, I’ve been a Flanno fan from the start and still believe he’s a good coach. Lately, though, I’ve found myself feeling a bit disillusioned with the team’s performance. Then I remind myself that our roster and depth are a lot weaker compared to other teams, which definitely puts things in perspective.

And will remain so for the foreseeable future unfortunately

 

[maestro1]

My bad, I got confused by being quoted! To clarify, I’ve been a Flanno fan from the start and still believe he’s a good coach. Lately, though, I’ve found myself feeling a bit disillusioned with the team’s performance. Then I remind myself that our roster and depth are a lot weaker compared to other teams, which definitely puts things in perspective.

Yes....I truly think Flanno is our best hope (excluding Bennett, Cleary and Bellamy). My biggest fear is Dean Young.
Whilst I haven't agreed with asome of Flanno's selections, Eg, Sione Finau should have been our first winger or Blake Lawrie being in the team), I think he has done a fantastic job with this squad amidst a really bad injury crisis on top of a sub par squad.
His detractors were giving it to him before he warmed the chair. That is why their arguments are moot as they NEVER gave him a chance and obviously had an agenda with him from the past.

 

[mattw5]

God help us all if D Young gets the role i am sure the three stooges won’t be disappointed which shows how stupid they are.

 

[TheRev]

Flanno is def a great man manager... but my fear is he may cause pathway issues with the way he selects his experienced favourites (treatment of Sione and Nick in particular), which tbf most coaches do to some extent (we dont know what goes on away from game day).. but Shane is next level conservative... that said with a better roster overall.. were winning more games..... and when the club is winning.. most issues just go away....

Ultimately whether Flanno stays or goes comes back to can we sign/retain players.. 2027 signings are going to be tricky come Nov 1 however if we havent extended him.

As some others have said though.. the one thing about Young getting the job is were gonna have to get it over and done with at some point.. our club is obsessed... take 2-3yrs of pain so we can finally sack him and get on with things.. but I'd hate to see us slide for another 2-3 years.. we are barely hanging on as it is to an NRL quality roster.. if the gap gets any larger (and even the Tigers, Raiders, Titans, Parra have gone way past us now), we might not make it back to the pack.

 

[mattw5]

Flanno is def a great man manager... but my fear is he may cause pathway issues with the way he selects his experienced favourites (treatment of Sione and Nick in particular), which tbf most coaches do to some extent (we dont know what goes on away from game day).. but Shane is next level conservative... that said with a better roster overall.. were winning more games..... and when the club is winning.. most issues just go away....

Ultimately whether Flanno stays or goes comes back to can we sign/retain players.. 2027 signings are going to be tricky come Nov 1 however if we havent extended him.

As some others have said though.. the one thing about Young getting the job is were gonna have to get it over and done with at some point.. our club is obsessed... take 2-3yrs of pain so we can finally sack him and get on with things.. but I'd hate to see us slide for another 2-3 years.. we are barely hanging on as it is to an NRL quality roster.. if the gap gets any larger (and even the Tigers, Raiders, Titans, Parra have gone way past us now), we might not make it back to the pack.

Nick is irrelevant he extended if he wasn’t happy he wouldn’t have Flanno has been on record saying there time is not now it’s next year & beyond.

 

[InFlannoWeTrust]

Flanno is def a great man manager... but my fear is he may cause pathway issues with the way he selects his experienced favourites (treatment of Sione and Nick in particular), which tbf most coaches do to some extent (we dont know what goes on away from game day).. but Shane is next level conservative... that said with a better roster overall.. were winning more games..... and when the club is winning.. most issues just go away....

Ultimately whether Flanno stays or goes comes back to can we sign/retain players.. 2027 signings are going to be tricky come Nov 1 however if we havent extended him.

As some others have said though.. the one thing about Young getting the job is were gonna have to get it over and done with at some point.. our club is obsessed... take 2-3yrs of pain so we can finally sack him and get on with things.. but I'd hate to see us slide for another 2-3 years.. we are barely hanging on as it is to an NRL quality roster.. if the gap gets any larger (and even the Tigers, Raiders, Titans, Parra have gone way past us now), we might not make it back to the pack.

Has been said multiple times. Nick T IS NOT A CENTRE!!! Yes may do a job but not going to give him 10 games against mostly top 8 teams out of position!
Yes Finau, Allan & Sloan aren’t the answer but you DO NOT blood a rookie in consecutive games out of position it will not do his confidence any good..

Flanno is not getting sacked in the seeable future! I think the club is dedicated to him for the next 2/3 years! Slowly slowly getting rid of DEADWOOD!

The issue is NO OTHER CLUB wants them!!
Can’t move players on if you don’t pay a large chunk of their wage.

I think next year we will see more movement out. Which will only allow us to upgrade & potentially buy more!

Patience is needed, yes we’ve been waiting for years, though look at the muppet coaches we’ve had!

McGregor (did nothing and gets extended)
Hook (too much out of depth)

Remember we lost a huge chunk of our cap in Hunt & Lomax and didn’t land a blow when it came to recruitment .

As a poster said abit higher. We’ve definitely over achieved to be able to have 8 games losses by less than 8 points.
We’ve only lost 13+ twice (roosters & dolphins) . I read article yesterday saying, only two other teams have been able to do the same or less this season!

so to say we’re going terrible is a stretch!

with the squad we have + the close loses I think this season is a 7-7.5/10!!

More rep players = more class = more wins & confidence!!

Add insult to wounds ,

- CT (been out most year) in 17 weekly
- R Couchman (been out all year ) in 17 weekly
- Lost M Molo (all year) in 17 weekly
- T eisenhuth ( all year) in 17 most weeks

Losing your starting winger/ prop/interchange all season is huge!!

 

[mattw5]

Has been said multiple times. Nick T IS NOT A CENTRE!!! Yes may do a job but not going to give him 10 games against mostly top 8 teams out of position!
Yes Finau, Allan & Sloan aren’t the answer but you DO NOT blood a rookie in consecutive games out of position it will not do his confidence any good..

Flanno is not getting sacked in the seeable future! I think the club is dedicated to him for the next 2/3 years! Slowly slowly getting rid of DEADWOOD!

The issue is NO OTHER CLUB wants them!!
Can’t move players on if you don’t pay a large chunk of their wage.

I think next year we will see more movement out. Which will only allow us to upgrade & potentially buy more!

Patience is needed, yes we’ve been waiting for years, though look at the muppet coaches we’ve had!

McGregor (did nothing and gets extended)
Hook (too much out of depth)

Remember we lost a huge chunk of our cap in Hunt & Lomax and didn’t land a blow when it came to recruitment .

As a poster said abit higher. We’ve definitely over achieved to be able to have 8 games losses by less than 8 points.
We’ve only lost 13+ twice (roosters & dolphins) . I read article yesterday saying, only two other teams have been able to do the same or less this season!

so to say we’re going terrible is a stretch!

with the squad we have + the close loses I think this season is a 7-7.5/10!!

More rep players = more class = more wins & confidence!!

Add insult to wounds ,

- CT (been out most year) in 17 weekly
- R Couchman (been out all year ) in 17 weekly
- Lost M Molo (all year) in 17 weekly
- T eisenhuth ( all year) in 17 most weeks

Losing your starting winger/ prop/interchange all season is huge!!

I am losing my patience trying to get through to people nailed it.

 

[Corrimal Dragon]

Has been said multiple times. Nick T IS NOT A CENTRE!!! Yes may do a job but not going to give him 10 games against mostly top 8 teams out of position!
Yes Finau, Allan & Sloan aren’t the answer but you DO NOT blood a rookie in consecutive games out of position it will not do his confidence any good..

Flanno is not getting sacked in the seeable future! I think the club is dedicated to him for the next 2/3 years! Slowly slowly getting rid of DEADWOOD!

The issue is NO OTHER CLUB wants them!!
Can’t move players on if you don’t pay a large chunk of their wage.

I think next year we will see more movement out. Which will only allow us to upgrade & potentially buy more!

Patience is needed, yes we’ve been waiting for years, though look at the muppet coaches we’ve had!

McGregor (did nothing and gets extended)
Hook (too much out of depth)

Remember we lost a huge chunk of our cap in Hunt & Lomax and didn’t land a blow when it came to recruitment .

As a poster said abit higher. We’ve definitely over achieved to be able to have 8 games losses by less than 8 points.
We’ve only lost 13+ twice (roosters & dolphins) . I read article yesterday saying, only two other teams have been able to do the same or less this season!

so to say we’re going terrible is a stretch!

with the squad we have + the close loses I think this season is a 7-7.5/10!!

More rep players = more class = more wins & confidence!!

Add insult to wounds ,

- CT (been out most year) in 17 weekly
- R Couchman (been out all year ) in 17 weekly
- Lost M Molo (all year) in 17 weekly
- T eisenhuth ( all year) in 17 most weeks

Losing your starting winger/ prop/interchange all season is huge!!

Sloan Flanno signed him on a mega contract as soon as he was here

Has been said multiple times. Nick T IS NOT A CENTRE!!! Yes may do a job but not going to give him 10 games against mostly top 8 teams out of position!
Yes Finau, Allan & Sloan aren’t the answer but you DO NOT blood a rookie in consecutive games out of position it will not do his confidence any good..

Flanno is not getting sacked in the seeable future! I think the club is dedicated to him for the next 2/3 years! Slowly slowly getting rid of DEADWOOD!

The issue is NO OTHER CLUB wants them!!
Can’t move players on if you don’t pay a large chunk of their wage.

I think next year we will see more movement out. Which will only allow us to upgrade & potentially buy more!

Patience is needed, yes we’ve been waiting for years, though look at the muppet coaches we’ve had!

McGregor (did nothing and gets extended)
Hook (too much out of depth)

Remember we lost a huge chunk of our cap in Hunt & Lomax and didn’t land a blow when it came to recruitment .

As a poster said abit higher. We’ve definitely over achieved to be able to have 8 games losses by less than 8 points.
We’ve only lost 13+ twice (roosters & dolphins) . I read article yesterday saying, only two other teams have been able to do the same or less this season!

so to say we’re going terrible is a stretch!

with the squad we have + the close loses I think this season is a 7-7.5/10!!

More rep players = more class = more wins & confidence!!

Add insult to wounds ,

- CT (been out most year) in 17 weekly
- R Couchman (been out all year ) in 17 weekly
- Lost M Molo (all year) in 17 weekly
- T eisenhuth ( all year) in 17 most weeks

Losing your starting winger/ prop/interchange all season is huge!!

Sloan - why did flannagan sign him to a mega contract as soon as he was in the door

Ilias - signed by flannagan another dud

Gutherson- it was well known he was struggling with knee issues at Parramatta. He is seen limping throughout the current games especially the Cows where he was run around easily- yet flannagan signs him to a 950k near million dollar contract.

Kyle, should be playing R Massey cup

Flannagan has mad too many mistakes to save his career- now we're 3rd favourite to come last

 

[maestro1]

Flanno is def a great man manager... but my fear is he may cause pathway issues with the way he selects his experienced favourites (treatment of Sione and Nick in particular), which tbf most coaches do to some extent (we dont know what goes on away from game day).. but Shane is next level conservative... that said with a better roster overall.. were winning more games..... and when the club is winning.. most issues just go away....

Ultimately whether Flanno stays or goes comes back to can we sign/retain players.. 2027 signings are going to be tricky come Nov 1 however if we havent extended him.

As some others have said though.. the one thing about Young getting the job is were gonna have to get it over and done with at some point.. our club is obsessed... take 2-3yrs of pain so we can finally sack him and get on with things.. but I'd hate to see us slide for another 2-3 years.. we are barely hanging on as it is to an NRL quality roster.. if the gap gets any larger (and even the Tigers, Raiders, Titans, Parra have gone way past us now), we might not make it back to the pack.

Daniel Anderson is an incredibly astute signing by Supercars and if DA is smart and I'm sure he is, he will incorporate Kyle Stanley, BMM and Willie Talau into having official roles in our Recruitment/Retention team to continue to draw more of our Pasifica brothers. I'm a lot more confident of our viabilty with the Daniel Anderson signing.