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2025 Streaming and TV Ratings Discussion

The_Wookie

Bench
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Are these numbers up significantly from last year ?

If memory serves me, these same games were getting about 700k ?

almost 30%

DateCodeDescriptionNetworkTotal TV National
Reach
Total TV National
Average Audience
BVOD National
Average Audience
12/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF1Nine2,006,0001,021,000209,000
13/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF2Nine1,572,000824,000192,000
13/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF1Nine1,623,000676,000141,000
14/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF2Nine2,695,0001,220,000236,000
20/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF1Nine1,953,0001,025,000220,000
21/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF2Nine2,295,0001,174,000243,000

DateCodeDescriptionNetworkTotal TV National
Reach
Total TV National
Average Audience
BVOD National
Average Audience
13/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF1Nine1,641,000776,000112,000
14/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF1Nine1,524,000723,00094,000
14/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF2Nine1,380,000572,00064,000
15/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF2Nine1,788,000828,000108,000
20/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES SF1Nine1,786,000868,000123,000
21/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES SF2Nine1,754,000836,000120,000
27/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF1Nine2,315,0001,176,000169,000
28/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF2Nine2,143,0001,168,000188,000
6/10/2024NRLNRL GRAND FINAL DAY -MATCHNine5,293,0003,379,000772,000
 

i0Nic

Juniors
Messages
887
Isn’t the raiders vs broncos game proof that the longer the program the more likely reach will grow? AFL love to crow that they have bigger reach, but if nrl programs went for another third longer the reach for nrl games would probably match or exceed afl as well like the averages.
 
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taste2taste

Bench
Messages
3,151
almost 30%

DateCodeDescriptionNetworkTotal TV National
Reach
Total TV National
Average Audience
BVOD National
Average Audience
12/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF1Nine2,006,0001,021,000209,000
13/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF2Nine1,572,000824,000192,000
13/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF1Nine1,623,000676,000141,000
14/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF2Nine2,695,0001,220,000236,000
20/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF1Nine1,953,0001,025,000220,000
21/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF2Nine2,295,0001,174,000243,000

DateCodeDescriptionNetworkTotal TV National
Reach
Total TV National
Average Audience
BVOD National
Average Audience
13/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF1Nine1,641,000776,000112,000
14/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF1Nine1,524,000723,00094,000
14/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF2Nine1,380,000572,00064,000
15/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF2Nine1,788,000828,000108,000
20/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES SF1Nine1,786,000868,000123,000
21/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES SF2Nine1,754,000836,000120,000
27/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF1Nine2,315,0001,176,000169,000
28/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF2Nine2,143,0001,168,000188,000
6/10/2024NRLNRL GRAND FINAL DAY -MATCHNine5,293,0003,379,000772,000
Thanks Wookie.

That's an incredible rise, especially considering neither game was competitive.

Good time for bumper ratings, while the NRL is negotiating a new broadcast deal.
 

newc18

Juniors
Messages
543
what a load of utter horseshit.

How's about your club actually focus on being a junior development pathway club instead of paying $2.7mil for 2 renegade blow ins that don't give a shit about anything but money. I mean you paid Hastings reportedly $800k to play NSW Cup this year.

My club is no better from a recent results standpoint but i'm not gonna sit on forums sooking that Penrith are too good and the games rules need to change to stop their success so my clown show can get off the canvas. Clubs should be looking at Penrith and the Storm with envy and trying to emulate their systems. It's every other club that constantly fails to step up to the plate that are the problem.
Three clubs have won the premiership in the last eight years. There's clearly something wrong and if your answer is for the shit clubs to spend more money, then it's not going to get any better anytime soon. Obviously the Knights are a basket case of a club atm but I wasn't just talking about them.

In saying all that, this year was definitely an improvement over last year which was basically a two horse race for the majority of the season.

Back to ratings - Watch the AFL brigade try to sweep these results under the carpet with the usual crowd retorts......
Both the NRL and AFL got awesome ratings, lets just be happy with what we have. All these ratings don't mean shit if the NRL doesn't take advantage of it for the next broadcast rights deal.
 

i0Nic

Juniors
Messages
887
PVL will be wringing his hands with glee at these numbers, considering negotiations. NRL now beating afl in finals as well as home and away.

I’d still expect the afl grand final to beat nrl grand final but if the nrl gf is bigger that would be a massive result.
 

Wb1234

Immortal
Messages
45,165
PVL will be wringing his hands with glee at these numbers, considering negotiations. NRL now beating afl in finals as well as home and away.

I’d still expect the afl grand final to beat nrl grand final but if the nrl gf is bigger that would be a massive result.
That’s never happened before not even close

Think it’s a bit early for that but Perth bears in 2027 will help bridge the gap
 

beave

Coach
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Three clubs have won the premiership in the last eight years. There's clearly something wrong and if your answer is for the shit clubs to spend more money, then it's not going to get any better anytime soon. Obviously the Knights are a basket case of a club atm but I wasn't just talking about them.

In saying all that, this year was definitely an improvement over last year which was basically a two horse race for the majority of the season.


Both the NRL and AFL got awesome ratings, lets just be happy with what we have. All these ratings don't mean shit if the NRL doesn't take advantage of it for the next broadcast rights deal.
how was my response related anything remotely about spending more money as a solution?? My response is centred around focusing in on the junior pathways that Penrith and to a lesser extent the Storm (whom do it through cheap fringe players and developing them into stars) are doing successfully.

The area where they can spend more money is on actual development and pathways systems and staff, Newy and NQ have probably the biggest nurseries in the comp behind the Broncos and Dolphins, leverage off this instead of buying absolute spud ring ins like Drinkwater and Karl Lawton, for Newy it's take your pick. Both clubs have a junior sitting there ready to take the #1 jerseys off the current blow in incumbents but both clubs insist on using their big contract stars but to their own long term detriment.
 

newc18

Juniors
Messages
543
how was my response related anything remotely about spending more money as a solution??
Sorry I forgot to include the junior development bit.

Both clubs are run like shit atm but my argument wasn't about the Knights even if they would benefit, more about the competition as a whole.

Anyway I will be curious to see what happens in the future because eventually the Penrith winning every year scenario is going to get old and will impact how much I enjoy the game.
 

mongoose

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Three clubs have won the premiership in the last eight years. There's clearly something wrong and if your answer is for the shit clubs to spend more money, then it's not going to get any better anytime soon. Obviously the Knights are a basket case of a club atm but I wasn't just talking about them.

In saying all that, this year was definitely an improvement over last year which was basically a two horse race for the majority of the season.


Both the NRL and AFL got awesome ratings, lets just be happy with what we have. All these ratings don't mean shit if the NRL doesn't take advantage of it for the next broadcast rights deal.
I think there is more to it than just salary cap. Panthers have lost a ton of players since 2021... they really can't have been weakened anymore without completely handicapping them. Storm and Roosters are just more professional than most other clubs, people don't want to admit it. If the salary cap was really not having any impact the Broncos would dominate year in year out.
 

newc18

Juniors
Messages
543
Storm and Roosters are just more professional than most other clubs, people don't want to admit it. If the salary cap was really not having any impact the Broncos would dominate year in year out.
You're probably right but the question is, how do we get the other clubs up to that standard? Are we expanding at the wrong time?
 
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what a load of utter horseshit.

How's about your club actually focus on being a junior development pathway club instead of paying $2.7mil for 2 renegade blow ins that don't give a shit about anything but money. I mean you paid Hastings reportedly $800k to play NSW Cup this year.

My club is no better from a recent results standpoint but i'm not gonna sit on forums sooking that Penrith are too good and the games rules need to change to stop their success so my clown show can get off the canvas. Clubs should be looking at Penrith and the Storm with envy and trying to emulate their systems. It's every other club that constantly fails to step up to the plate that are the problem.

Back to ratings - Watch the AFL brigade try to sweep these results under the carpet with the usual crowd retorts......
There was an article in the Herald a few years back titled "Penrith`s Painstaking Pathways" it showed the lengths that Penrith have gone to to get all their coaching staff right down through the age groupings on the same page and with the same club ethos. Extensive prelpanning ensuring all positions are covered right through the years so that a constant production line of players in different positions are coming through. Some other clubs ought to try it.

Here found it:

Panthers' vast, painstaking NRL pathway​

avatar.png

by Scott Bailey , 3 years ago


4 minute read
Penrith's sprawling junior academy of success is encapsulated in a magnet board that links 80 under-13s and the difficulty of NRL salary cap management.

JAMES MALONEY.
JAMES MALONEY. Picture: Ashley Feder/Getty Images
Somewhere inside Penrith's renowned NRL academy is a colour-coded magnet board with the progress of more than 100 pathways players on it.
At one point or another, it's held the names of 21 of Penrith's current 30-man NRL squad, including virtually every big-name player.
"It's something we look at every day after every training session," Penrith's elite player development manager Ben Harden tells AAP.
"Whether it is a Harold Matthews, SG Ball or Jersey Flegg session, some magnets are getting moved on a daily basis. Some not for months."
Harden is the man charged with overseeing Penrith's famed pathways program.
A gun young halfback himself earlier this century, his career was ended by four straight knee reconstructions.
Some at Penrith reckon if not for the injuries, he'd still be their No.7.
But in many ways, the club has won out by having him in charge of the pathways system and working the whiteboard instead.
Every magnet moved on Penrith's board has a flow-on effect.
At the top end, it tells the Panthers what superstars are coming through their ranks and when they'll need to make room for them.
Think the purchase of veteran James Maloney in 2018, buying the Panthers two years to bring Jarome Luai through.
Or James Tamou, let go at the end of last year with Spencer Leniu and Moses Leota ready to fill the hole.
"It's minimum three or four years (working ahead)," Harden said.
"While I am coaching the Jersey Flegg I am thinking 2023 or 2024 NRL salary cap. That is my job."
At the other end of the magnet board is the management of one of the biggest junior systems in rugby league.
A result of eight years of evolution that started with now GM of football Matt Cameron and Jim Jones, it has helped make Penrith a powerhouse.
Much spoken about, it's important to lay out how a system that has more than 300 youngsters in it creates an NRL squad of 30.
Around four weeks before Christmas every year in non-COVID times, 80 under-13s locals are brought through the Panthers' doors for training.
Each year they are taught the same basics by each coach's designated age group, with Jones' son Sam helping select the group of hopefuls.
Former Penrith second-rower Lee Hopkins oversees conditioning, while all coaches live by a simple mantra to get young players ready to enter the club's system.
Kids must learn their timetables before they do quadratic equations.
"It's a basic principles and awareness of the game being taught," Harden said.
"It's about you have to wear the shirt we give you. You have to ring if you're late.
"We start to plant that seed, we don't care how good you are. It's about how good of a person you are and what values you have."
A year later that group of 80 becomes 50, and by under-15s it is 40.
At the same time, similar programs are being run in the bush at satellite cities of Dubbo, Forbes and Bathurst under the likes of former Penrith lock Dave Elvy.
"We've stopped the lingo, that its 'out there'. We count that as part of our area," Harden said.
"They are just our western region program in the same way we have our Penrith development program."
By Harold Matthews Cup in under-17s, the two groups first mix.
Jones Jnr drives a mini bus to Bathurst each Friday, bringing players back to Penrith to train that night and play on Saturday.
For under-19s and under-21s more regional kids come into the system, as talented players make the move over east the mountains.
Not every player has followed the system from the start.
Luai was part of the first intake of under-14s, Nathan Cleary arrived in under-15s.
Brian To'o, Mitch Kenny and Stephen Crichton all missed out on Harold Matts selection, but quickly fast-tracked their way into SG Ball.
All the while, their progression remains tracked on the magnet board, as well as several whiteboards, spreadsheets and as Harden puts it: "IP between the ears."
"I am talking to Matt Cameron about problems we will have and in what positions," Harden said.
"And if I feel the players can do 90 per cent of his role at 25 per cent of the price, then that is my job (to point that out)."
Their task has become harder too, with success boosting the price of players quicker than originally expected.
Viliame Kikau is the next example of that, off-contract next year and already set to attract high interest on bigger money after the club already lost Matt Burton.
Grand finalists last season, Penrith have gone quickly to managing a roster with several marquee players rather than one built on potential.
"As a player trickles out at $20, you might have to replace him with a $10 player," Cameron said.
"Or we might have four of those $5 players, and we have to work out which one we turn into the $10 player.
"That's the beauty of being a development club, we should have five in every position.
"It's then which three you carry into a first-grade squad and which one you turn into a pro-baller."
In retention and recruitment meetings, Harden not only identifies who those players are, but the young stars that space will need to be made for in years to come.
And in turn, what actions must be taken now to allow it.
"It's all about trust. The trust that I pick them, Jimmy gets them (contracted)," Harden said.
"I help coach them, Hoppo (Lee Hopkins) gets them fitter, faster and stronger. Sammy helps look after them.
"Everyone has their cog in the wheel."
 

Wb1234

Immortal
Messages
45,165
There was an article in the Herald a few years back titled "Penrith`s Painstaking Pathways" it showed the lengths that Penrith have gone to to get all their coaching staff right down through the age groupings on the same page and with the same club ethos. Extensive prelpanning ensuring all positions are covered right through the years so that a constant production line of players in different positions are coming through. Some other clubs ought to try it.

Here found it:

Panthers' vast, painstaking NRL pathway​

avatar.png

by Scott Bailey , 3 years ago


4 minute read
Penrith's sprawling junior academy of success is encapsulated in a magnet board that links 80 under-13s and the difficulty of NRL salary cap management.

JAMES MALONEY.
JAMES MALONEY. Picture: Ashley Feder/Getty Images
Somewhere inside Penrith's renowned NRL academy is a colour-coded magnet board with the progress of more than 100 pathways players on it.
At one point or another, it's held the names of 21 of Penrith's current 30-man NRL squad, including virtually every big-name player.
"It's something we look at every day after every training session," Penrith's elite player development manager Ben Harden tells AAP.
"Whether it is a Harold Matthews, SG Ball or Jersey Flegg session, some magnets are getting moved on a daily basis. Some not for months."
Harden is the man charged with overseeing Penrith's famed pathways program.
A gun young halfback himself earlier this century, his career was ended by four straight knee reconstructions.
Some at Penrith reckon if not for the injuries, he'd still be their No.7.
But in many ways, the club has won out by having him in charge of the pathways system and working the whiteboard instead.
Every magnet moved on Penrith's board has a flow-on effect.
At the top end, it tells the Panthers what superstars are coming through their ranks and when they'll need to make room for them.
Think the purchase of veteran James Maloney in 2018, buying the Panthers two years to bring Jarome Luai through.
Or James Tamou, let go at the end of last year with Spencer Leniu and Moses Leota ready to fill the hole.
"It's minimum three or four years (working ahead)," Harden said.
"While I am coaching the Jersey Flegg I am thinking 2023 or 2024 NRL salary cap. That is my job."
At the other end of the magnet board is the management of one of the biggest junior systems in rugby league.
A result of eight years of evolution that started with now GM of football Matt Cameron and Jim Jones, it has helped make Penrith a powerhouse.
Much spoken about, it's important to lay out how a system that has more than 300 youngsters in it creates an NRL squad of 30.
Around four weeks before Christmas every year in non-COVID times, 80 under-13s locals are brought through the Panthers' doors for training.
Each year they are taught the same basics by each coach's designated age group, with Jones' son Sam helping select the group of hopefuls.
Former Penrith second-rower Lee Hopkins oversees conditioning, while all coaches live by a simple mantra to get young players ready to enter the club's system.
Kids must learn their timetables before they do quadratic equations.
"It's a basic principles and awareness of the game being taught," Harden said.
"It's about you have to wear the shirt we give you. You have to ring if you're late.
"We start to plant that seed, we don't care how good you are. It's about how good of a person you are and what values you have."
A year later that group of 80 becomes 50, and by under-15s it is 40.
At the same time, similar programs are being run in the bush at satellite cities of Dubbo, Forbes and Bathurst under the likes of former Penrith lock Dave Elvy.
"We've stopped the lingo, that its 'out there'. We count that as part of our area," Harden said.
"They are just our western region program in the same way we have our Penrith development program."
By Harold Matthews Cup in under-17s, the two groups first mix.
Jones Jnr drives a mini bus to Bathurst each Friday, bringing players back to Penrith to train that night and play on Saturday.
For under-19s and under-21s more regional kids come into the system, as talented players make the move over east the mountains.
Not every player has followed the system from the start.
Luai was part of the first intake of under-14s, Nathan Cleary arrived in under-15s.
Brian To'o, Mitch Kenny and Stephen Crichton all missed out on Harold Matts selection, but quickly fast-tracked their way into SG Ball.
All the while, their progression remains tracked on the magnet board, as well as several whiteboards, spreadsheets and as Harden puts it: "IP between the ears."
"I am talking to Matt Cameron about problems we will have and in what positions," Harden said.
"And if I feel the players can do 90 per cent of his role at 25 per cent of the price, then that is my job (to point that out)."
Their task has become harder too, with success boosting the price of players quicker than originally expected.
Viliame Kikau is the next example of that, off-contract next year and already set to attract high interest on bigger money after the club already lost Matt Burton.
Grand finalists last season, Penrith have gone quickly to managing a roster with several marquee players rather than one built on potential.
"As a player trickles out at $20, you might have to replace him with a $10 player," Cameron said.
"Or we might have four of those $5 players, and we have to work out which one we turn into the $10 player.
"That's the beauty of being a development club, we should have five in every position.
"It's then which three you carry into a first-grade squad and which one you turn into a pro-baller."
In retention and recruitment meetings, Harden not only identifies who those players are, but the young stars that space will need to be made for in years to come.
And in turn, what actions must be taken now to allow it.
"It's all about trust. The trust that I pick them, Jimmy gets them (contracted)," Harden said.
"I help coach them, Hoppo (Lee Hopkins) gets them fitter, faster and stronger. Sammy helps look after them.
"Everyone has their cog in the wheel."
Imagine every nrl club did this what level the comp would be

A club like the warriors has a nation of close to 5 million where they can pick the eyes out of elite rugby talent and could put Penrith in their back pocket

Broncos too what are they doing
 

Starkers

Bench
Messages
3,228
almost 30%

DateCodeDescriptionNetworkTotal TV National
Reach
Total TV National
Average Audience
BVOD National
Average Audience
12/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF1Nine2,006,0001,021,000209,000
13/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF2Nine1,572,000824,000192,000
13/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF1Nine1,623,000676,000141,000
14/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF2Nine2,695,0001,220,000236,000
20/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF1Nine1,953,0001,025,000220,000
21/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF2Nine2,295,0001,174,000243,000

DateCodeDescriptionNetworkTotal TV National
Reach
Total TV National
Average Audience
BVOD National
Average Audience
13/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF1Nine1,641,000776,000112,000
14/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF1Nine1,524,000723,00094,000
14/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES QF2Nine1,380,000572,00064,000
15/09/2025NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES EF2Nine1,788,000828,000108,000
20/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES SF1Nine1,786,000868,000123,000
21/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES SF2Nine1,754,000836,000120,000
27/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF1Nine2,315,0001,176,000169,000
28/09/2024NRLNRL LIVE FINAL SERIES PF2Nine2,143,0001,168,000188,000
6/10/2024NRLNRL GRAND FINAL DAY -MATCHNine5,293,0003,379,000772,000

An 19% increase on last year's GF number take the Grand Final ratings to 4m.
 

i0Nic

Juniors
Messages
887
I was interested in Total Streaming Minutes as a metric (besides avg vs reach), because that gives you the total amount of minutes watched as that is how a lot of streaming companies now report metrics. To be taken with a large grain of salt but interesting none the less, I asked chatgpt to model this out for nrl and afl based on everything it knows about 2024 and 2025 ratings and trends, the new teams coming in across both codes, and to take into account state of origin and it came up with this graph:

1758524026021.png

and then I asked it to remove any representative fixtures and just focus on home and away for both codes:


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I'm sure PVL's business strategy/ analytics team will be coming up with similar charts to share during his negotiation - especially if AI thinks NRL is going to take over from AFL even including minutes watched despite AFL games being longer.
 
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