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[Avenger]

In attack or defence? And at which position?

Overall mate. I’m genuinely interested. At centre.

 

[85 Baby]

@Poupou Escobar

Rank these players from best to worst. Penisini, Alamoti, Russell, Simonsson.

It’s not that simple but. Is Alamoti worth actively shitcanning Penisini for?
Is Simonsson more valuable in performance than Russell?
Sure if you’re Perth or PNG and you can target based on preference, you’d probably take Alamoti and Simonsson individually over our 2 incumbents, but if you want that, good news, now you can jump on board the Perth/PNG trains

 

[Avenger]

Before @Poupou Escobar even begins I reckon Alamoti is just a cheaper version of Lomax. A better winger than centre with defensive deficiencies in his preferred (centre) position.

I also think Penisini would be very much like Alamoti on the wing. He’s strong and powerful just has shit hands. Believe it or not I rate Russell as the purest centre of the lot and defensively the best of the lot.

 

[85 Baby]

Before @Poupou Escobar even begins I reckon Alamoti is just a cheaper version of Lomax. A better winger than centre with defensive deficiencies in his preferred (centre) position.

I also think Penisini would be very much like Alamoti on the wing. He’s strong and powerful just has shit hands. Believe it or not I rate Russell as the purest centre of the lot and defensively the best of the lot.

I concur and if Lomax did go the Saudi union sportswash money, Alamoti should be a legitimate target

 

[TheCrowe]

He debuted against us last round. He is rubbish.

He debuted against us last round. He is rubbish.

Ok lets write him off after one game then.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Overall mate. I’m genuinely interested. At centre.

I don't think it's that simple, for a couple of reasons. Which is not to say that some players aren't just markedly better than others. So, it's easy for me to say Farnworth is better than Staggs, who is better than Penisini, who is better than Laybutt.

But for the four you've listed (Alamoti, Penisini, Russell, Simonsson), I don't think the differences between them are granular enough to give a clear ranking 1 to 4. There's also the fact that the player needs to meet the team requirements. A team that needs to improve its defence would prefer a better defensive centre, while a team that needs more strike would prefer a better attacker. It also depends on what the rest of the backline looks like. A team that needs more go forward out of its back five would prefer a powerful, hard working centre, while a slow team would prefer a speedster. Finally it comes down to cost. A team struggling to fit an already great squad under the cap will likely prefer the cheapest centre that is good enough for the team. A team with plenty of cap space might be happy to get the best merkin available, even if they have to pay overs.

So to rate the four you've asked about, I would judge them across these categories. But Simonsson is difficult to judge because he has only played 24 games across two years, including reserve grade. Penisini is down on form compared to previous years. It's unlikely he is too old, being only 23, so 2025 should be considered an outlier.

Defence (at centre, not wing)
1. Penisini
2. Russell
3. Simonsson
4. Alamoti

Power
1. Alamoti
2. Penisini
3. Simonsson
4. Russell

Speed
1. Simonsson
2. Russell
3. Alamoti
4. Penisini

 

[King-Gutho94]

All I see is excuses and lack of accountability.

Blame the media

Gus 101

I saw some clips of Ciraldo's presser on 360 last night

What an absolute clown he sounded like.

Whinging about the attention the club copped.

No one else copped that but clearly ignored the fact they brought it on themselves and the GM labelled the 19 year old kid the greatest teenager he ever seen in a media role.

He praised Hayward and Galvin the two blokes he brought in to justify the calls.

Yet I dont reckon Hayward is a dummy half. And judging off the results it deteriorated after they flicked Mahoney.

 

[Twizzle]

I couldn't (or wouldn't want to) imagine Penisini on the wing under the high ball.

Yuck

 

[RealdEel]

All I see is excuses and lack of accountability.

Blame the media

Gus 101

I saw some clips of Ciraldo's presser on 360 last night

What an absolute clown he sounded like.

Whinging about the attention the club copped.

No one else copped that but clearly ignored the fact they brought it on themselves and the GM labelled the 19 year old kid the greatest teenager he ever seen in a media role.

He praised Hayward and Galvin the two blokes he brought in to justify the calls.

Yet I dont reckon Hayward is a dummy half. And judging off the results it deteriorated after they flicked Mahoney.

I see everyone that supports or works at the Dogs is now using the easy draw as a reason why they were going so good....

They had Sexton and Mahoney playing those games developing the combination then when the draw got harder they decided to change it all.... It's just stupidity yes long term Galvin is your 6 but the dogs had a real chance this season yo win the competition.

 

[RealdEel]

I don't think it's that simple, for a couple of reasons. Which is not to say that some players aren't just markedly better than others. So, it's easy for me to say Farnworth is better than Staggs, who is better than Penisini, who is better than Laybutt.

But for the four you've listed (Alamoti, Penisini, Russell, Simonsson), I don't think the differences between them are granular enough to give a clear ranking 1 to 4. There's also the fact that the player needs to meet the team requirements. A team that needs to improve its defence would prefer a better defensive centre, while a team that needs more strike would prefer a better attacker. It also depends on what the rest of the backline looks like. A team that needs more go forward out of its back five would prefer a powerful, hard working centre, while a slow team would prefer a speedster. Finally it comes down to cost. A team struggling to fit an already great squad under the cap will likely prefer the cheapest centre that is good enough for the team. A team with plenty of cap space might be happy to get the best merkin available, even if they have to pay overs.

So to rate the four you've asked about, I would judge them across these categories. But Simonsson is difficult to judge because he has only played 24 games across two years, including reserve grade. Penisini is down on form compared to previous years. It's unlikely he is too old, being only 23, so 2025 should be considered an outlier.

Defence (at centre, not wing)
1. Penisini
2. Russell
3. Simonsson
4. Alamoti

Power
1. Alamoti
2. Penisini
3. Simonsson
4. Russell

Speed
1. Simonsson
2. Russell
3. Alamoti
4. Penisini

That's a really good breakdown the only change I would have is Russell at 1 for defense. The rest is spot on...

 

[Bandwagon]

Russell as the purest centre of the lot and defensively the best of the lot.

Agree pretty much, Russell is a very good choice if you'd rather tie up your coin for outside backs in wingers.

 

[Timana]

Yeah, i think with a strikes like JACS and Lomax, you need good defensive centres who know how to draw and pass and use their wingers.

I think it was Hindy111 who said, if you have strike wingers and damaging 2nd rowers then a good defensive centre is what you need. And we kinda have that.

Reminds me of Ben Smith and Joel Reddy. Weren't physical talented damaging attackers, but knew how to use their outside man (grothe). especially Benny boy

 

[Timana]

All I see is excuses and lack of accountability.

Blame the media

Gus 101

I saw some clips of Ciraldo's presser on 360 last night

What an absolute clown he sounded like.

Whinging about the attention the club copped.

No one else copped that but clearly ignored the fact they brought it on themselves and the GM labelled the 19 year old kid the greatest teenager he ever seen in a media role.

He praised Hayward and Galvin the two blokes he brought in to justify the calls.

Yet I dont reckon Hayward is a dummy half. And judging off the results it deteriorated after they flicked Mahoney.

Yeah, glad we have Jason. He looks an honest man. Ciraldo looks shifty

 

[85 Baby]

Yeah, glad we have Jason. He looks an honest man. Ciraldo looks shifty

I reckon Ciraldo is feeling how Ivan felt sometime around 2015

 

[Avenger]

Yeah, glad we have Jason. He looks an honest man. Ciraldo looks shifty

Ciraldo for a coach in his third year made a blunder, a huge one that derailed their season. The whole team lost cohesion and belief on the back of Sexton and Mahoney being dropped.

And Gould is accountable too. It wasn’t solely Ciraldo’s fault.

 

[Grigor]

Ciraldo for a coach in his third year made a blunder, a huge one that derailed their season. The whole team lost cohesion and belief on the back of Sexton and Mahoney being dropped.

And Gould is accountable too. It wasn’t solely Ciraldo’s fault.

I think Gould being the naccicist he is has his hands all over the dogs debacle , problem for ciraldo is he is a rookie coach and does as he is told , ryles I don't believe would put up with Gus for long

 

[King-Gutho94]

I said a couple weeks ago the amount of verbal diarrhea this year from the media calling Ciraldo a supercoach already was just utter ridiculous.

He may get there one day but i don't think he has enhanced his reputation over the back half of the year.

Its also clear whenever asked about these changes he has made he is very abrupt and owning every decision for optics as Gus doesn't want to be seen as meddling into the affairs.

Just like it was when Trent Barrett was sacked was the Board's call not Gus.

I expect another Danny Weidler puff piece this Sunday on Gus & Ciraldo and the smear campaign that derailed the Dogs season but the reality is they did it to themselves.

Gee wouldn't be it funny if we win a final or 2 next year and they go backwards just slightly.

 

[hineyrulz]

I reckon Ciraldo is feeling how Ivan felt sometime around 2015

He’s starting to look tired.

 

[85 Baby]

He’s starting to look tired.

Of Gus’ shit

 

[Stagger eel]

I don't think it's that simple, for a couple of reasons. Which is not to say that some players aren't just markedly better than others. So, it's easy for me to say Farnworth is better than Staggs, who is better than Penisini, who is better than Laybutt.

But for the four you've listed (Alamoti, Penisini, Russell, Simonsson), I don't think the differences between them are granular enough to give a clear ranking 1 to 4. There's also the fact that the player needs to meet the team requirements. A team that needs to improve its defence would prefer a better defensive centre, while a team that needs more strike would prefer a better attacker. It also depends on what the rest of the backline looks like. A team that needs more go forward out of its back five would prefer a powerful, hard working centre, while a slow team would prefer a speedster. Finally it comes down to cost. A team struggling to fit an already great squad under the cap will likely prefer the cheapest centre that is good enough for the team. A team with plenty of cap space might be happy to get the best merkin available, even if they have to pay overs.

So to rate the four you've asked about, I would judge them across these categories. But Simonsson is difficult to judge because he has only played 24 games across two years, including reserve grade. Penisini is down on form compared to previous years. It's unlikely he is too old, being only 23, so 2025 should be considered an outlier.

Defence (at centre, not wing)
1. Penisini
2. Russell
3. Simonsson
4. Alamoti

Power
1. Alamoti
2. Penisini
3. Simonsson
4. Russell

Speed
1. Simonsson
2. Russell
3. Alamoti
4. Penisini

ok, so there isn't much movement on the needle with the discussion or compareson between Penisini and alamoti? thought so.. I think there are other areas of our squad we can make improvements on...