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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

Billythekid

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It’s still hard to know what to think until we know more but this is absolutely a threat to the NRL and should be taken seriously. Kinda comes at a shit time as the NRL has finally got its shit together and is absolutely flying.

The good thing is if we can get a big TV deal our salary cap will increase substantially and we’ll be able to offer players competitive money. We’ll lose a few players initially but unless this tournament takes off I think the NRL should be fine.

It’s certainly an interesting development and one that neither the NRL or world rugby would be happy about.
 

Dark Corner

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It’s still hard to know what to think until we know more but this is absolutely a threat to the NRL and should be taken seriously. Kinda comes at a shit time as the NRL has finally got its shit together and is absolutely flying.

The good thing is if we can get a big TV deal our salary cap will increase substantially and we’ll be able to offer players competitive money. We’ll lose a few players initially but unless this tournament takes off I think the NRL should be fine.

It’s certainly an interesting development and one that neither the NRL or world rugby would be happy about.
I'm sure all the hard worl PVL has put then he have something up his sleeve about this circus.
It's like 1995 again with Packers Rugby Circus which ended up with Murdoch winning with Super Rugby and the game going open and pro.
 

reanimate

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It’s still hard to know what to think until we know more but this is absolutely a threat to the NRL and should be taken seriously. Kinda comes at a shit time as the NRL has finally got its shit together and is absolutely flying.

The good thing is if we can get a big TV deal our salary cap will increase substantially and we’ll be able to offer players competitive money. We’ll lose a few players initially but unless this tournament takes off I think the NRL should be fine.

It’s certainly an interesting development and one that neither the NRL or world rugby would be happy about.
It will do more damage to Union than it will to League. Sure, we’ll lose a few players, but it’ll be a massive drain on Union’s already weak domestic comps.

Plus, a few of the governing Union bodies have already indicated that they aren’t prepared to play nice with R360, eg R360 players may not be eligible for national team duties. The scene is set for a Union civil war.
 

Dark Corner

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It will do more damage to Union than it will to League. Sure, we’ll lose a few players, but it’ll be a massive drain on Union’s already weak domestic comps.

Plus, a few of the governing Union bodies have already indicated that they aren’t prepared to play nice with R360, eg R360 players may not be eligible for national team duties. The scene is set for a Union civil war.
And a 32 year old Roger Tuivasa going back to Rugby Union when he didn't make an impact first time smells of a Jake Paul type Rugby theme park....maybe Sam Burgess will be lacing up his boots for one last big payday.
 

Dogs Of War

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It will do more damage to Union than it will to League. Sure, we’ll lose a few players, but it’ll be a massive drain on Union’s already weak domestic comps.

Plus, a few of the governing Union bodies have already indicated that they aren’t prepared to play nice with R360, eg R360 players may not be eligible for national team duties. The scene is set for a Union civil war.

Rugby's own Super League war. Good stuff.
 
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R360 indicating they'll release all players to international duties is a massive shot fired at the domestic leagues. The European competitions are notorious for holding talent back, particularly Pacific talent. Here in the southern hemisphere, the NZRU will be watching with baited breath as they struggle to uphold their policy if keeping centrally contracted talent.

Interesting times.
 

Dark Corner

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I really don't think it will effect Rugby League as it is a Rugby Union comp....it's like going back 30 years with the whole Packer Circus and Rupert war which resulted into Rugby Union going from a amatuer game to pro and open ( yeah, wink, sure, snigger) but hopefully PVL strike fast with this.
 

titoelcolombiano

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What threat is this to the NRL though? A few players loyal to the dollar will go. Let me ask you all, will anyone stop supporting their club because Lomax, Papi, Haas, Nelson go? It is Rugby Union after all, not all our players are suited to it, there are only so many spots available and it's not going to be nearly as popular as organisers think.

Our comp is flying and is built off the back of 100+ years of tradition and fans are connected to their club. And despite the attempted slurs from Union, most of our players grow up dreaming to play in the NRL and pull on a Broncos, Souths, Panthers, Bulldogs etc jersey, most relish the opportunity to play State of Origin and be a household name and hero in their home city and country. The NRL isn't going to be undermined one bit by a travelling circus for Rugby mercenaries.
 
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Steel Saints

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R360 has been given the "green light" due to having secured funding until 2028 and have the necessary player numbers. But it still needs to be ratified by World Rugby in June next year.

It feels like r360 has been created from primary school students. Boys in the playground, in between handball games and vaping would come up with ideas like:

* let's create 8 new teams
*pay players big money
*games to be played around the world in cities like Miami, Dubai, Boston, Lisbon, Madrid.

With LIV Golf, it is an individual sport. A global sport where fans know who the players are. Rugby is no where near a global sport. R360 will have new teams from scratch and play in cities that have no idea about rugby.

This isn't viable, so r360 will incur financial loses. The big question is how long will r360 last?
 

Dark Corner

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R360 has been given the "green light" due to having secured funding until 2028 and have the necessary player numbers. But it still needs to be ratified by World Rugby in June next year.

It feels like r360 has been created from primary school students. Boys in the playground, in between handball games and vaping would come up with ideas like:

* let's create 8 new teams
*pay players big money
*games to be played around the world in cities like Miami, Dubai, Boston, Lisbon, Madrid.

With LIV Golf, it is an individual sport. A global sport where fans know who the players are. Rugby is no where near a global sport. R360 will have new teams from scratch and play in cities that have no idea about rugby.

This isn't viable, so r360 will incur financial loses. The big question is how long will r360 last?
Like NFL Europe in the 1990's.
 

newc18

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What threat is this to the NRL though? A few players loyal to the dollar will go. Let me ask you all, will anyone stop supporting their club because Lomax, Papi, Haas, Nelson go? It is Rugby Union after all, not all our players are suited to it, there are only so many spots available and it's not going to be nearly as popular as organisers think.

Our comp is flying and is built off the back of 100+ years of tradition and fans are connected to their club. And despite the attempted slurs from Union, most of our players grow up dreaming to play in the NRL and pull on a Broncos, Souths, Panthers, Bulldogs etc jersey, most relish the opportunity to play State of Origin and be a household name and hero in their home city and country. The NRL isn't going to be undermined one but by a travelling circus for Rugby mercenaries.
The threat isn't for fans, it's for players, but I also think the threat has been overhyped from the media. A couple players might end up going, but this will hurt Super Rugby, Top 14, etc. more than it will hurt the NRL.

It is pretty funny that the Yawnion club game sucked so badly some thought it was necessary to take money from the Middle East.
 

JamesRustle

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Rebel rugby union competition R360 given green light, 10 NRL players believed to be committed to competition
In world exclusive revelations, the rebel rugby union competition R360 has been given the go-ahead, with as many as 10 NRL players believed to be committed to the league.
The NRL’s grand final week is in danger of being hijacked by R360 following revelations that the rebel rugby union competition had been given the green light to go ahead next season.

This masthead understands that R360 organisers informed player agents on Tuesday night that the competition would begin on October 2 next year after securing the funding and player numbers to begin.

Long form contracts have been sent to agents as R360 locks in players for its inaugural season.
As many as 10 NRL players are believed to have committed to the competition including Melbourne star Ryan Papenhuyzen, Parramatta winger Zac Lomax and South Sydney fullback Jye Gray.

News of R360’s plans to begin next year come on the day that the NRL celebrates one of its nights of nights – the Dally M medal.
ARL commission chair Peter V’landys has been dismissive of R360 but he and the NRL may now be forced to take a more serious look at the concept given the threat to the NRL.

R360 is armed with significant funding and is offering massive contracts to players to switch codes and play a global circuit incoming eight franchises.

None of the franchises will be located in Australia.

The Storm are already resigned to Papenhuyzen making the switch once his current contract comes to an end next year.
Lomax shapes as a more complex situation given he is under contract until the end of 2028 with the Eels.

However, it is understood the NSW star has already informed Parramatta of his desire to switch codes and take up a lucrative deal with R360.

The Eels are unlikely to let him go without a release fee. It is not known whether R360 are willing to stump up the cash to get their hands on Lomax.
However, player agents were informed late on Tuesday that R360 had secured enough funding to finance the first three years until the end of 2028.

The news won’t just be a shock to rugby league. It is expected to have deep-seated ramifications for rugby union given the vast majority of players in the competition are expected to come from the ranks of that code.
There had been scepticism around the chances of it coming to fruition but one of the founders - former England rugby union star Mike Tindall - insisted only last week via video message that it would go ahead.

Crucially, it has now been confirmed and the NRL is expected to be impacted. While R360 will focus predominantly on rugby union, player agents in the NRL have been actively shopping players to the competition for months, most notably Clinton Schifcofske.
Schifcofske looks after the likes of Papenhuyzen, Lomax and Grey. It is understood he was also involved in talks between Nelson Asofa-Solomona and R360, as well as Will Kennedy.

Asofa-Solomona is under contract but it is believed the Storm were open to allowing him to join R360. Kennedy failed to attract interest from organisers. Warriors star Roger Tuivasa-Sheck has already committed to the concept as he comes off contract at the end of next season.
The worry for the NRL is that more players will now bat their eyelids at the competition given the money that is on offer.
Brisbane superstar Payne Haas has also been linked with R360 given he comes off contract at the end of next season, coinciding with the start of the R360.

This masthead reported that Haas had been involved in talks with officials from R360, although he denied there had been any discussions.
The Broncos have been locked in talks with Haas over a new deal and his price continues to soar as he leads Brisbane into the grand final.

His next deal is likely to be worth at least $1.5 million a season but even that figure could be dwarfed by the dollars on offer in R360.

It is understood players in R360 have the potential to earn upwards of $2 million a season. Gray, who only became a consistent first grader at Souths this season, is believed to have been offered a contract worth about $900,000 a season by R360.
The Rabbitohs have been desperately trying to convince him to stay beyond the end of his contract next season but talks have progressed slowly, no doubt in part because his management wanted to see whether R360 got off the ground.

Souths’ bid to keep Gray has suddenly got much harder. The Broncos may face the same dilemma with Haas, although the lack of a franchise in Australia may help their cause.
Haas’ personal circumstances - he has two young children and also looks after his two younger brothers - add another layer to discussions about his future.

It is understood the email sent to player agents on Tuesday night confirmed that 12 teams would be registered for the competition - eight men’s and four women’s teams.

A player draft for their teams is planned to be held in the middle of next year. The inaugural season would begin with six men’s teams and start on October 2 before finishing pre-Christmas.

The second season in 2027 would run from April to September and involve 12 rounds. The email also made it clear that R360 wanted to finalise long-form deals with players within weeks.
Kennedy failed to attract interest from organisers 🤣🤣🤣
 
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The threat isn't for fans, it's for players, but I also think the threat has been overhyped from the media. A couple players might end up going, but this will hurt Super Rugby, Top 14, etc. more than it will hurt the NRL.

It is pretty funny that the Yawnion club game sucked so badly some thought it was necessary to take money from the Middle East.

Exactly. Domestic unions in Europe and NZ who have a stranglehold on player movement will be low key shitting themselves. NZ already plays funny buggers with its 'approved sabbaticals' as a way to let players earn overseas but return to play for the All Blacks. Europe will be shitting themselves as R360 will allow Pacific Island talent to earn big bucks but also play in internationals - something the Island unions have had to battle for years.

NRL may lose a few outside backs and second rowers, hell they may lose a fair few. But the show goes on. New TV deal coming (and inevitable salary cap increase) favorable season structure to come into play once the league goes to 20, more teams = more earning potential, rep window meaning breaks for those not selected etc. should soften the blow.
 

BuffaloRules

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The Saudis came out and said that they weren't backing it. Did something change? If so I must have missed it

There is a bit of mystery around the financial backers still….this article references 885 Capital as “injecting funding “ which I understand is a UAE based enterprise …

 

kurt faulk

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There is a bit of mystery around the financial backers still….this article references 885 Capital as “injecting funding “ which I understand is a UAE based enterprise …


so they won't be as frivolous about losing hundreds of millions of dollars?

good luck r360 and it's f1 style circus tour.

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Dogs Of War

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The Saudis came out and said that they weren't backing it. Did something change? If so I must have missed it

Looks like a lot of backers together hoping for a miracle. Fingers in a lot of pies like Sports betting and Money transfer companies.

I think they are hoping they can sell franchises down the track IPL style for billions to make it all work.
 

wgd

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The Saudis came out and said that they weren't backing it. Did something change? If so I must have missed it

They did. The Saudi backing is purely an NRL/Australian media invention.

Media from traditional Rugby Union countries largely ignore R360, and if they don',t they don't mention anything to do with Saudi Arabia.
 

BuffaloRules

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so they won't be as frivolous about losing hundreds of millions of dollars?

good luck r360 and it's f1 style circus tour.

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I made a comment about Middle East money not caring so much about losing hundreds of millions referencing LIV golf as an example …: and that’s where we ended up
 

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