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King-Gutho94

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Which is also why Johns was the goat. Had everything that you guys are saying about Cleary & Moses, but a better kicking game than both, add an elite passing game like Sticky, and hit like a truck in defence.

But Cleary is second on the list IMO
Yep i reckon Joey's under rated asset was actually his defence.

No one ever talks about that part of his game.

Not many big blokes ever ran over the top of him

You look at Joey now and he was still in that era where it was professional but you could say compared to right now still not quite fully professional.

I would be surprised if Nathan Cleary even has a drop of Alcohol during the season.

Where Joey was either on the piss or on the coke after most games.

Which no doubt affected preparation for the following games.

If Joey could play like he did being a Party animal most of his career imagine if he treated his body like a temple that Nathan does now how much more dominant he could have been.
 

T-Boon

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Yep i reckon Joey's under rated asset was actually his defence.

No one ever talks about that part of his game.
that's because nobody gives a toss about defense and it's boring to watch, even more so now than it was when Joey played. One wants their own team to be good at defense as in not to concede any points. Thats the extent of people's interest in defense. Nobody really remembers any defensive highlights (maybe some try saving tackle like that Penrith one in 2005 or whenever).
 

Poupou Escobar

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I think Moses is better at everything physically just slightly not including goal kicing. But the gap mentally is huge. Cleary is like a wizard in deep concetration where Moses reminds me of a puppy dog just wanting to have fun. It's why Moses is more exciting to watch. But he isn't in the same class Remember Cam Smith? Physically he was average and not that much to his game. But mentally he was playing 3 d chess. Its like comparing him to Robbie Farrah
Cam Smith was another, though he at least had genius strength. And he always played in a great team, so his lack of speed didn’t matter. Cleary is very quick and strong, so he just runs the ball a lot. Eventually he will get one-on-one with an opponent and be too quick for a forward or too strong for an edge defender. He executes very well with his kicking game, but he is rarely put under pressure because his team is so good.
 

King-Gutho94

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I just spent 90 mins watching our 2009 season highlights game by game in the back half.

What a team we were in full flight then

I wrote some notes during our run

Round 19 v Melbourne @ Parramatta - where it all started a gritty win on a monday night in Hindy 250th. I dont think Cam Smith played as James Maloney was dummy half for Melbourne & Luke Kelly came on as well and setup a try in his debut game for Hoffman with his 2nd touch. Hayne setup the first try for Robson, Fui barged over and razzle dazzle in the 2nd half for Lowrie try. We were up 18-6 and it ended up 18-16 hanging on for Hindy.

Round 20 v Bulldogs @ Homebush - Blew them apart a couple of long range tries including a 105m try to Grothe from 2 plays. Hayne went 80m got tackled then we down the right where Grothe ran straight through for the try. 2nd half we just steamrolled Kingston went himself and scored, Fui barged over 3 blokes and Burt FG to win 27-8. Thats the game where i think everyone believed we could make a run

Round 21 v Sharks @ Shark Park - A couple of nice tries to Joel Reddy, Hayne had spiders on him basically was doing as we pleased could have won by 50 but took it easy on the battling sharks who were 2nd last to win 30-0.

Round 22 - Newcastle @ Parramatta - The Eels were electrifying - Rabs & Sterlo were having orgasms in the comm box over Hayne's skill, Burt was on fire with 24 points, Inu scored a try where Gidley fumbled and turned around like a turtle to try and recover while Inu swooped. Reddy again was a menace in the backline grubber it through with no one out the back and scored. Kingston was making line breaks from dummy half darts so much so Gus was telling the audience with 10 mins to go the Knights were already on the bus after Burt's 2nd try to win 40-8

Round 23 - Warriors @ Parramatta - An absolute rout another game we could have won by 50 half our tries came from the opposite half of the field. Hayne only had to have the ball in his hands to send a shiver down the opposition. A couple of chip and chases, flick passes and support play and we won 40-4

Round 24 - Tigers @ SFS - The Friday Night blockbuster Benji v Hayne - Benji setup a couple of tries with a few of his flicks but Parra fought back with there harlem globetrotters style of play with a couple of freakish tries. 20-18 up 3 mins to go Hayne dances around Farah chips and chases gets the ball back and scores next to the posts to send the Tigers out of the finals and basically lock up 8th spot for the Blue & Golds. Andrew Johns was in awe in the commentary box.

Round 25 - Penrith @ Parramatta - Daniel Mortimer scores 3 tries while Hayne basically sets up another 3 with skill & precision landing the ball on a dime for Luke Burt and co. Jarrod Sammut had a barry crocker and we win 48-6 storming towards september

Round 26 - Dragons @ Kogarah - The DVD cut out this game on the highlights package went straight to Jarryd Hayne collecting his Dally M medal.

Finals Week 1 - Dragons @ Kogarah - Incredible win against the odds. Hayne bomb where Mortimer outjumps Darius Boyd to pass back to Burt to score. Mortimer scored, Grothe intercept, Burt FG and Hayne beat 15 players and 2 refs to score to send the Dragons fans walking out before the FT siren.

Finals Week 2 - Titans @ SFS - In 3rd gear a lot of lesser names in Ben Smith, Kingston, Jono wright scored. Mortimer went down early which meant Mateo came on to 5/8 and scored a try. A pretty easy win 27-2 where the whole 2nd half the crowd were chanting "Bring on the Bulldogs"

Finals Week 3 - Bulldogs @ Homebush - After patten got knocked out the Dogs get a 8 point try we fight back through Hayne and Galuvao. Josh Morris scores on HT for the Dogs to go up 12-6. 2nd half all parramatta had 1 try disallowed and scored another 3 through harlem globetrotters never say die footy. Hindmarsh saved a line break when Ennis went through with 13 mins to go. Then shortly after Mortimer finishes off a 80m try off the back of 6/7 sets of hands.

I dont need to recap the GF but yet again when you rewatch that period of footy we were simply incredible & unstoppable really. It took a team full-strength over the salary cap to scrape home and edge us out of what would have been the greatest premiership of all-time.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Which is also why Johns was the goat. Had everything that you guys are saying about Cleary & Moses, but a better kicking game than both, add an elite passing game like Sticky, and hit like a truck in defence.

But Cleary is second on the list IMO
Johns was also slow, but like Cam Smith, very strong.
 

Timana

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Yep i reckon Joey's under rated asset was actually his defence.

No one ever talks about that part of his game.

Not many big blokes ever ran over the top of him

You look at Joey now and he was still in that era where it was professional but you could say compared to right now still not quite fully professional.

I would be surprised if Nathan Cleary even has a drop of Alcohol during the season.

Where Joey was either on the piss or on the coke after most games.

Which no doubt affected preparation for the following games.

If Joey could play like he did being a Party animal most of his career imagine if he treated his body like a temple that Nathan does now how much more dominant he could have been.
I've heard many talk about his defense and his big arse
 

lucablight

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Cam Smith was another, though he at least had genius strength. And he always played in a great team, so his lack of speed didn’t matter. Cleary is very quick and strong, so he just runs the ball a lot. Eventually he will get one-on-one with an opponent and be too quick for a forward or too strong for an edge defender. He executes very well with his kicking game, but he is rarely put under pressure because his team is so good.
Cleary is pretty damn clutch under pressure. The number of times he’s come up with big plays during vital moments is amazing.
 

Timana

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Sure. But as of yet he hasn’t delivered on that stage.
Its the best of the best everything is faster , defense is better

There's no need for mechanical plays and why the panfer system fails for nsw as your teammates are just as good

You need that magical touch like moses, money, walsh, latrell and in yesteryears hayne, kenny, langer

Otherwise you need heart and just perform miracle plays after miracle plays

I reckon parras 2009 style would win a few in origin

Chin is a machine but lacks that individual magic
 

Poupou Escobar

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Yes. See grand final vs Broncos 2023
2 point Field goal vs Parra in 2023
2 point field goal vs Titans this season.
Just off the top of my head
That's a matter of execution, not pressure. Being under pressure means trying to execute when the defence is in your face and giving you nothing. When your forwards aren't creating the time and space required to execute.
 
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