New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Manurewa_Marlins]

Wellington is where winter sport goes to die.

 

[Wb1234]

Someone must have offered him money to say that lol why the f**k would Dustin Martin be big in NZ?

Half of Australia don’t know who he is dunno why anybody in nz would

 

[Cactus]

Half of Australia don’t know who he is dunno why anybody in nz would

Half ?

 

[Wb1234]

Half ?

53 percent to be more precise

But I was allowing for a handful in nsw and qld might

 

[Cactus]

Just for clarity is that the dude whos old man was a crook of some sort ?

 

[Matua]

Wellington is where winter sport goes to die.

TBF, that doesn't always have to be true (not that I want to defend them), for 15 years the Canes were doing very well, and the Phoenix saved a failing Auckland team. So the new league team might have a good run initially?

Half of Australia don’t know who he is dunno why anybody in nz would

He would have got some puff pieces because he's Maori, and some negative pieces because of his Dad being associated with bikies and potato-face's quest to kick him out of the country, but not really for his sports ability.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Just for clarity is that the dude whos old man was a crook of some sort ?

Yep, and that's the only reason I found out who he was. His old man was deported back here.

Literally no one I know would have a clue who he is.

 

[Manurewa_Marlins]

TBF, that doesn't always have to be true (not that I want to defend them), for 15 years the Canes were doing very well, and the Phoenix saved a failing Auckland team. So the new league team might have a good run initially?


He would have got some puff pieces because he's Maori, and some negative pieces because of his Dad being associated with bikies and potato-face's quest to kick him out of the country, but not really for his sports ability.

Phoenix play in the summer. Crowds have dropped significantly since the earlier years. Be interesting to see how Port get on after a few rough seasons eh!

Canes can't draw to save themselves, but that's not the stadiums or weathers fault entirely. NZ has struggled with the two comp format. Ask people in Palmy or Napier who they back, and it's not the Canes. It's the Turbos and Maggies. They don't travel, so you're relying on Wellingtonians to turn up, which they don't.

 

[Matua]

Phoenix play in the summer. Crowds have dropped significantly since the earlier years. Be interesting to see how Port get on after a few rough seasons eh!

Canes can't draw to save themselves, but that's not the stadiums or weathers fault entirely. NZ has struggled with the two comp format. Ask people in Palmy or Napier who they back, and it's not the Canes. It's the Turbos and Maggies. They don't travel, so you're relying on Wellingtonians to turn up, which they don't.

You seem to have wilfully missed my point. The Wellington teams can get support initially, the Canes did for 15 years, we had multiple buses going down from the Bay, it went pear shaped with the arrival of the Hammetteur and has never recovered.

I don't really care where it goes, I'm not going to support a team from Welly or Chch, I'll just suffer along with the Warriors.

 

[Wb1234]

Wellington a league side for a huge benefit from the Auckland a league side

Think they game sold out in Wellington or did some large number

 

[RL The greatest game]

I don't think that was something realistic to worry about. AFL is a very niche sport in NZ.

Not according to some of those posters on bigfooty

 

[Growthegame]

Too much chat about big footy over the last few days across multiple threads.

 

[Manurewa_Marlins]

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You seem to have wilfully missed my point. The Wellington teams can get support initially, the Canes did for 15 years, we had multiple buses going down from the Bay, it went pear shaped with the arrival of the Hammetteur and has never recovered.

I don't really care where it goes, I'm not going to support a team from Welly or Chch, I'll just suffer along with the Warriors.

Me neither, put it Invercargill for all I care!

 

[T-Boon]

For those who missed it, they briefly discussed a second NZ team during the game. Gould's view is that it must be based in Auckland to allow a game in the main city each week. His view is that it's not ready now, but will be in the future.

Can't say I agree with him but there you go. I personally think a second Auckland side would be successful. But there are other priorities and Christchurch (or Wellington if they ever got an appropriate stadium) would be higher priority.

Long term it would be better to have a second Auckland team because that would create a great rivalry and it is easily the biggest population, more than twice the size of other cities...but in the short term it would be hard.

It is a similar situation to what was going on in SE Queensland 20 years ago. Wanting another team in from that area but not wanting to upset the existing team in the much bigger main city so go with a smaller city. It would have been way better in hindsight to bring the Dolphins in then rather than the Titans.

 

[Wb1234]

Long term it would be better to have a second Auckland team because that would create a great rivalry and it is easily the biggest population, more than twice the size of other cities...but in the short term it would be hard.

It is a similar situation to what was going on in SE Queensland 20 years ago. Wanting another team in from that area but not wanting to upset the existing team in the much bigger main city so go with a smaller city. It would have been way better in hindsight to bring the Dolphins in then rather than the Titans.

Nah it would be like adding a second Brisbane side before North qld and Gold Coast got a team

And nz isn’t qld anyway league isn’t the dominant sport

 

[T-Boon]

Nah it would be like adding a second Brisbane side before North qld and Gold Coast got a team

And nz isn’t qld anyway league isn’t the dominant sport

If you have the time over again you definitely get a second Brisbane team in there before NQ or Gold Coast.
Still, to argue against my earlier point, probably short to middle term create more new RL fans by having a Wellington team than a second Auckland team.

 

[jolly boys outing]

All this talk of NZ2 being based in Auckland is simply absurd.

why would someone choose to support another Auckland based NRL team over the warriors?

would it be based on geographical location? A fox memorial team? or worst case scenario ethnicity i.e. Pacific Islander?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

All this talk of NZ2 being based in Auckland is simply absurd.

why would someone choose to support another Auckland based NRL team over the warriors?

would it be based on geographical location? A fox memorial team? or worst case scenario ethnicity i.e. Pacific Islander?

Why would anyone support Dolphins over Broncos? Man City over Man U? Adelaide over Port Adelaide? Harlequins over Saracens? Hull KR over Hull FC?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Why would anyone support Dolphins over Broncos? Man City over Man U? Adelaide over Port Adelaide? Harlequins over Saracens? Hull KR over Hull FC?

You kinda have a point but I see his..
Auckland and the Warriors are different, the Warriors are so embedded there and across NZ.
It's a little bit like saying, let's put another team in Newcastle... Newcastle is captured by the knights.

Some Teams have a very staunch supporter base that is embedded in the local culture and it's hard to imagine the people in those places would follow anyone else, at least not in the Numbers that you'd consider a success.

 

[T-Boon]

You kinda have a point but I see his..
Auckland and the Warriors are different, the Warriors are so embedded there and across NZ.
It's a little bit like saying, let's put another team in Newcastle... Newcastle is captured by the knights.

Some Teams have a very staunch supporter base that is embedded in the local culture and it's hard to imagine the people in those places would follow anyone else, at least not in the Numbers that you'd consider a success.

It is not exactly like the Newcastle scenario. Basically everyone in Newcastle who is a sports fan is a Knights fan as either their first team or second team - every sports fan in Newcastle is a Rugby League fan.
I think (could be wrong) that there are a fair few sports fans in Auckland, there is 1.7million of them, that aren't yet RL fans. They are up for grabs and a rivalry would rattle them into interest. Also some competition could be good for the Warriors like it has been for Broncos. If the Warriors won a GF it would be huge for the game there.
Wellington looks too small for an NRL team.