New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matua]

Samoa and Tonga are countries of like 100k, they're never going to be producing players in mass there, they will be kids coming through Australia or New Zealand and most likely eligible for Origin.
That'll never change.
The only thing that can change is to give that Exact same opportunity to Kiwis and Brits who play Origin,so Origin no longer acts as a deterrent to representing the nation closest to your heart.

Origin doesn't need to lose those that qualify to internationals
And Internationals don't need to lose players who Qualify for Origin

KP can represent Newcastle,QLD and New Zealand.

Newcastle isn't exclusive to New South Welshmen
QLD isn't exclusive to Australians

There's actually going to be a time, not far off, where the NRL are going to have change the rules with PI eligibility as the generations age out of parents and grandparents born in the islands.

 

[Wb1234]

It's not a small thing. You have a weird obsession with the PIs teams. All we want is equality for all eligible players. I don't care about any of the current PI players playing for the PI. I'd rather the NZ-Aussies, often Maori players, have the same opportunity as PI-Aussies (or NZ-PI-Aussies).

Also, I think the Kiwis should win, if Hughes was available I'd be supremely confident.

Also, I'm a Warriors fan, accepting my team is crap is as natural as breathing. But again that's not the point.

Australia lost players to the pi teams you don’t hear their fans complaining

You’ve got a pro nrl team to develop talent the islands don’t

So arguing for equality is ridiculous

I get you don’t care about lessening origin

I do

 

[jolly boys outing]

If the NRL put in a nonsense" Pasifika" team I'm out

Don’t worry mate as I think we’ll all be “out” and 6 feet under by the time this happens.

 

[jolly boys outing]

Top prospect Inch signs with Warriors for two years

Highly-regarded Harry Inch’s two-year deal with One New Zealand Warriors officially confirmed.

www.warriors.kiwi

Thread on reddit saying if warriors keep doing this it will weaken ab

Best part of this is that I believe he doesn’t come from a league background like a majority of college playing union schoolboys and they’ll be watching how he(inch) gets on and maybe more will make the switch.

i think toby Crosby similarly didn’t come from a league background as well.

 

[Matua]

Australia lost players to the pi teams you don’t hear their fans complaining

You’ve got a pro nrl team to develop talent the islands don’t

So arguing for equality is ridiculous

I get you don’t care about lessening origin

I do

How on earth does, for example, letting Ponga play for NZ lessen Origin? And how does it lessen Origin anymore than PI players playing?

Also, as has been pointed out, our pro team doesn't develop players for our test team. There's more Warriors developed players in the PI teams than in the Kiwis. So they're developing for 4 countries.

 

[Matua]

Best part of this is that I believe he doesn’t come from a league background like a majority of college playing union schoolboys and they’ll be watching how he(inch) gets on and maybe more will make the switch.

i think toby Crosby similarly didn’t come from a league background as well.

The oddest part of this is the media (and certain posters) acting like this is unique, one of the greatest ever Warriors was a convert from Nelson College with no real league background.

 

[jolly boys outing]

The oddest part of this is the media (and certain posters) acting like this is unique, one of the greatest ever Warriors was a convert from Nelson College with no real league background.

Trying to think who that could be but im drawing a blank?

RTS? Ridge? Mannering?

 

[Matiunz]

Trying to think who that could be but im drawing a blank?

RTS? Ridge? Mannering?

Simon Mannering

 

[jolly boys outing]

Simon Mannering

Yeah, those 3 were the only 3 with a union background I could think of.

 

[Matiunz]

Best part of this is that I believe he doesn’t come from a league background like a majority of college playing union schoolboys and they’ll be watching how he(inch) gets on and maybe more will make the switch.

i think toby Crosby similarly didn’t come from a league background as well.

Outside of Auckland, possibly Canterbury and some parts of Wellington most college union players will have little to no league background from school. A few will get into it after school at club level but it is why some of the development of NZ based league players (particularly halves) can be quite delayed- they typically don’t live and breath it from an early age as many of their Aus counterparts are

 

[Matiunz]

Yeah, those 3 were the only 3 with a union background I could think of.

Tohu Harris was another one, NAS was a highly touted schoolboy union player too. Few others but I do like that the Crusaders have had one pinched and are crying about it, they were the pioneers of taking players from other unions and begrudgingly they’re pretty decent at identifying and developing talent

 

[Matua]

Tohu Harris was another one, NAS was a highly touted schoolboy union player too. Few others but I do like that the Crusaders have had one pinched and are crying about it, they were the pioneers of taking players from other unions and begrudgingly they’re pretty decent at identifying and developing talent

Tohu had a league background too.

But I did find it funny the other day that the Crusaders CEO was complaining about league stealing players, while PVL was complaining about Rugby360 and I was thinking the two hypocrites should get a drink together.

Yeah, those 3 were the only 3 with a union background I could think of.

There's been lots - the useless Kata, Hurrell, Berry to name a few examples.

 

[Wb1234]

How on earth does, for example, letting Ponga play for NZ lessen Origin? And how does it lessen Origin anymore than PI players playing?

Also, as has been pointed out, our pro team doesn't develop players for our test team. There's more Warriors developed players in the PI teams than in the Kiwis. So they're developing for 4 countries.

Well I’d be complaining more about the warriors not doing what their supposed to be doing than blaming the arl rules around origin which have been created to help Samoa and Tonga and have hurt both Australia and nz in minor ways

Ponga doesn’t care about playing for the kiwis anyway it’s the all blacks he want to play for

He already played for nz Māori

 

[BuffaloRules]

The oddest part of this is the media (and certain posters) acting like this is unique, one of the greatest ever Warriors was a convert from Nelson College with no real league background.

Hey buddy…

I see Luke Metcalf might be pushing the million a year mark …not bad money for an “Aussie journeyman “ hey ?

You think the Warriors will retain him ?

$1m feeding frenzy for Warriors weapon emerges; Broncos hand star NRL lifeline: Whispers

$1m feeding frenzy for Warriors weapon emerges; Broncos hand star NRL lifeline: Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Matua]

Hey buddy…

I see Luke Metcalf might be pushing the million a year mark …not bad money for an “Aussie journeyman “ hey ?

You think the Warriors will retain him ?

$1m feeding frenzy for Warriors weapon emerges; Broncos hand star NRL lifeline: Whispers

$1m feeding frenzy for Warriors weapon emerges; Broncos hand star NRL lifeline: Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

At a million dollars I hope not, he's 26 and had half a good season of NRL.

 

[Matua]

Well I’d be complaining more about the warriors not doing what their supposed to be doing than blaming the arl rules around origin which have been created to help Samoa and Tonga and have hurt both Australia and nz in minor ways

Ponga doesn’t care about playing for the kiwis anyway it’s the all blacks he want to play for

He already played for nz Māori

Stop trying to pretend the Origin rules impact Australia in the same way they do NZ.

Ponga wants to play Kiwis but he can't if he wants to stay eligible for Origin. He's not one of the NRL's favoured Polynesians, he's the wrong Polynesian.

 

[BuffaloRules]

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At a million dollars I hope not, he's 26 and had half a good season of NRL.

Should stick with Boyd brother …they never missed a beat …

 

[Matua]

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Should stick with Boyd brother …they never missed a beat …

Boyd was pretty average. He carves up at reserve grade though.

We're extremely poor at half and the Warriors have invested so poorly in development that we just have a bunch of Aussies coming through and have signed a 10 from rugby that the media is painting as the best young player in rugby when he didn't even make the NZ U20s squad and couldn't get a run at NPC.

 

[Wb1234]

Stop trying to pretend the Origin rules impact Australia in the same way they do NZ.

Ponga wants to play Kiwis but he can't if he wants to stay eligible for Origin. He's not one of the NRL's favoured Polynesians, he's the wrong Polynesian.

They have impacted Australia

Favoured cause they are trying to help Samoa and Tonga develop which has worked

If this detracts from origin it’s not like you’d care too much anyway

 

[Matua]

They have impacted Australia

Favoured cause they are trying to help Samoa and Tonga develop which has worked

If this detracts from origin it’s not like you’d care too much anyway

I didn't say it doesn't impact Australia. Not impacting the same way doesn't mean no impact.

Favouring is favouring, the NRL have their thumb on the scale and are favouring two teams over other teams. Why are you so scared of allowing NZers the same opportunities? Are you scared all the PIs are going to ditch and come to NZ? If you don't think that will happen then good, change the rules and let the NZers who want to play Origin and Kiwis.

It wont detract from Origin. Why do you keep pretending this? How about you explain exactly how allowing Origin eligible players who are NZers play for the Kiwis detracts from Origin.