New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[BuffaloRules]

The current deals including some games shown on fta in nz

Yes ..but through Sky right ? Trying to find a hypothetical competitor for Sky to potentially make them pay more for the rights…. Seems unlikely I see now

 

[BuffaloRules]

FTA, you have a point - but subscription has some money there.

The interesting aspect will be whether Sky is the only subscription bidder in our market.

If Sky is unopposed (and I can't see DAZN let along ESPN/Disney making a run at the NZ market alone), then there's no competitive pressure on the bid - so it would help the NRL to have something new & appealing to get them to lift their price. Basically NZ 2.

But I don’t understand why SKy would raise their price if there isn’t another competitor to force them …wouldn’t matter if there were 5 NZ teams ..

 

[Wb1234]

Yes ..but through Sky right ? Trying to find a hypothetical competitor for Sky to potentially make them pay more for the rights…. Seems unlikely I see now

Spark went bust

Nz union deal was cut around 30 percent by sky recently

Doomsayers on here have said sky nz will too for nrl

Competitor is potentially Dazn they want to enter nz

And also get the super league tv rights

Pvl is England now it may explain his interest in owning part of super league

 

[Matua]

Need to see more of this and more by the warriors not the Aussie clubs

He played against the Warriors lower grade team as a 13 year old so they would have known about him if they had wanted him.

 

[Pippen94]

Spark went bust

Nz union deal was cut around 30 percent by sky recently

Doomsayers on here have said sky nz will too for nrl

Competitor is potentially Dazn they want to enter nz

And also get the super league tv rights

Pvl is England now it may explain his interest in owning part of super league

Mascord says NRL will kick at Wembley after Vegas deal is done. Both comps at same event under NRL umbrella?!

 

[Wb1234]

Mascord says NRL will kick at Wembley after Vegas deal is done. Both comps at same event under NRL umbrella?!

Yeh I posted it on the Vegas thread

Who knows with mascord if it’s true the times don’t work

Pvl wants super league for a reason though and I reckon it’s bc of their tv rights

Remember super league already plays a game in Vegas so taking it to Wembley makes more sense for the pommie fans

 

[Canard]

How do you sell the NRL to Londoners.

"Hey, you know that game, that you invented, from the North that you all ignore? Well here it is?"

What would we even be trying to achieve?

 

[Pippen94]

Yeh I posted it on the Vegas thread

Who knows with mascord if it’s true the times don’t work

Pvl wants super league for a reason though and I reckon it’s bc of their tv rights

Remember super league already plays a game in Vegas so taking it to Wembley makes more sense for the pommie fans

If you have the biggest tv product in the Pacific you can leverage that to try and get better deal for your other product. Maybe he is just interested in keeping UK strong for ashes?!

 

[Wb1234]

If you have the biggest tv product in the Pacific you can leverage that to try and get better deal for your other product. Maybe he is just interested in keeping UK strong for ashes?!

He said he’s worried about the game dieing in England … which it won’t

We don’t make much from English tours either so it’s not being selfish

He said if nrl did own it they wouldn’t make money on it either which I didn’t like

Aussie players get money for playing in ashes in England but nrl doesn’t make anything it’s all the rfl to keep

Super league with the expansion is in a good spot now

If they can get the tv deal back to where it was they can go places

 

[Pippen94]

He said he’s worried about the game dieing in England … which it won’t

We don’t make much from English tours either so it’s not being selfish

He said if nrl did own it they wouldn’t make money on it either which I didn’t like

Aussie players get money for playing in ashes in England but nrl doesn’t make anything it’s all the rfl to keep

Super league with the expansion is in a good spot now

If they can get the tv deal back to where it was they can go places

Was that in paywall article he writes?!

 

[Wb1234]

Was that in paywall article he writes?!

 

[Pippen94]

Thanks. Where did he say "if nrl did own it they wouldn’t make money on it"?!

 

[Wb1234]

Thanks. Where did he say "if nrl did own it they wouldn’t make money on it"?!

That was Pvl that said that in an article a few months back

My bad if I worded my post poorly

Mascord just said nrl was going to Wembley

 

[Pippen94]

That was Pvl that said that in an article a few months back

My bad if I worded my post poorly

Mascord just said nrl was going to Wembley

Sounds like pvl is trying to establish negotiating position

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Good point, and unless we have DAZN or ESPN/Disney or someone bidding for NZ rights, Sky won't significantly raise their offer.

In that case (no other pay TV/streaming bid), the NRL would need more NZ-focused content (eg a 2nd NZ team) to offer Sky something new & appealing to the NZ market that could encourage more money from Sky.

PVL thinks outside the box though. I'd imagine he would, A) pitch an increase based on extra content (NZ2), B) say that extra content is contingent on Sky upping their offer and C) play the NZ bid off against an Australian one so that there are stakes for Sky... Essentially do you want the extra NZ content or not and what will you bid to secure it.

 

[Growthegame]

Sounds like pvl is trying to establish negotiating position

If you believe that. The opposite must be true.

 

[Wb1234]

He played against the Warriors lower grade team as a 13 year old so they would have known about him if they had wanted him.

TikTok - Make Your Day

Maybe they should’ve taken another look recently ?

 

[Pippen94]

If you believe that. The opposite must be true.

It's hard to know. Vlandys said Perth was dead in water a number of times yet here we are. Superleague stories about private equity are thought to be a ruse. Vlandys saying NRL wouldn't make money on superleague might be similar tactic.

 

[Matua]

TikTok - Make Your Day

Maybe they should’ve taken another look recently ?

It's the Warriors what do you expect? The Maori team he was playing for in the match I mentioned beat the Warriors U14 team which is supposed to be the best kids out there.

Also that commentary on that tiktok is a bit dippy "it's fair to say he didn't play a lot of league growing up" and then proceeds to show three videos of him playing league and talking about him being signed at a league tournament. The comments underneath are funny "he wont get that space in league", half the highlights are league.

Nz union deal was cut around 30 percent by sky recently

Doomsayers on here have said sky nz will too for nrl

Competitor is potentially Dazn they want to enter nz

Without wanting to get into another endless loop shitfight, but the question needs to be asked, what is the commercial case for Sky paying more, and why would they not try to pay less since there's no competition for the rights? How is that doomsaying? The reality is, despite the commentary in this thread, that the flagship league team in NZ doesn't outrate the ABs, and doesn't outrate the big Super matches each week.

Also, if DAZN really wanted to make a play for NZ wouldn't they have taken a decent shot at the rugby? Is there tactic to chip away at the little sports before going after rugby? Not sure if it makes sense as this year was probably the cheapest they could have got rugby.

 

[Wb1234]

It's the Warriors what do you expect? The Maori team he was playing for in the match I mentioned beat the Warriors U14 team which is supposed to be the best kids out there.

Also that commentary on that tiktok is a bit dippy "it's fair to say he didn't play a lot of league growing up" and then proceeds to show three videos of him playing league and talking about him being signed at a league tournament. The comments underneath are funny "he wont get that space in league", half the highlights are league.


Without wanting to get into another endless loop shitfight, but the question needs to be asked, what is the commercial case for Sky paying more, and why would they not try to pay less since there's no competition for the rights? How is that doomsaying? The reality is, despite the commentary in this thread, that the flagship league team in NZ doesn't outrate the ABs, and doesn't outrate the big Super matches each week.

Also, if DAZN really wanted to make a play for NZ wouldn't they have taken a decent shot at the rugby? Is there tactic to chip away at the little sports before going after rugby? Not sure if it makes sense as this year was probably the cheapest they could have got rugby.

I thought that was a union comp judging by op comments

Nrl rated 12 million in nz last year

Doubt super rugby or all blacks combined did that

Dazn may see value in having all the worldwide tv rights for league or maybe it’s bs

Even if sky have no competitor the prospect of more high rating content should be worth something

And despite generating 12 million ratings the nrl tv deal is still half what super rugby got

And the Christchurch nrl team also has value for Aussie network via the extra game each week

Dazn did take a look at the union in nz. Maybe they thought 90 million was too much.