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Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

Wb1234

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Yeah, and giving the current 3 SEQ teams time to bed-in their support and rivalry & get a decent level of success makes sense right now.



Given that we had 3 teams joining the then NSWRL Premiership in 1988, maybe the better choice in hindsight would have been adding the 2 best bids from the BRL plus Newcastle at that time, then perhaps a 3rd BRL team in the late 1990s?
Yep qrl and nsw country rl didn’t want to lose their best clubs and weaken local comps (same with Illawarra)

Newcastle wests now own knights

Redcliffe in, Ipswich jets next Brisbane club in

In hindsight easts should’ve been put in not broncos

Just on Brisbane in 95 the broncos were 45k? And crushers 15k. We’re at a similar crowd figure now and the population of Brisbane has gone up 1.2 million since then and another million to come

I think 3 Brisbane clubs and 3 nz clubs now that’s a good long term goal
 

Omott91

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kinda seems the only person that doesnt understand qld is you cob. how long you even been there? it doesnt take much to spark a good ol cane toad rivalry these days. especially with the way people have viewed ipswichians historically as the delericts.
the results might not be in the way of what the starting 17 are producing on the field but for all intents and purposes phins are kicking huge goals off the field and are as stable as a club can be. titans are coming out of a period of crap management with a clear plan and it seems those junior pathways are actually good now. seems their commercial business is good now. theres heaps resources there now,.
kinda seems people are basing this whole it hurts phins and titans based from on field results alone and fail to dig deeper than surface level.
Lol, what in the world is a "delerict"
 
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Peter V’landys reveals NRL is exploring expansion options for third Brisbane NRL team​

The NRL is exploring another Queensland expansion team as it looks to capitalise on an explosion of playing numbers in the Sunshine State, while killing off the AFL threat in Brisbane.


ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys has revealed the NRL is exploring another Queensland expansion team to join forces with the Broncos and kill off the AFL threat in the battle for Brisbane’s west.
This masthead can reveal the ARL Commission will meet with Queensland Rugby League bosses to devise plans for a possible third Brisbane NRL franchise to satisfy a rugby league registration boom in the Sunshine State.
V’landys’ revelation comes as Ipswich NRL bid boss Steve Johnson declared the Jets could be operational by 2030 as the ARL Commission marches towards a 20-team competition by the 2032 Brisbane Olympics.
A second New Zealand team was widely considered the hot front-runner for fresh expansion, with three Christchurch consortia jostling to win the NRL’s 20th licence.
But the ARL Commission may yet pivot to Queensland and give the Sunshine State a fifth NRL licence - and second in less than a decade following the admission of the Dolphins in 2023.
Peter V'landys wants to kill off the AFL threat in Brisbane’s west. Picture: Jonathan Ng

Peter V'landys wants to kill off the AFL threat in Brisbane’s west. Picture: Jonathan Ng
Not only is V’landys mindful of the explosion in playing numbers in Queensland, but the ever-growing threat of a rival AFL code that is pumping $1 billion into dominating Brisbane’s western corridor.
The ARL Commission will investigate several regions, including central Queensland, but a Jets franchise in Brisbane’s western corridor would be a powerhouse in a region that also has strong support for the Broncos.
“New Zealand has a strong case, absolutely, but we’ve never discounted the fact we want another Queensland team,” said V’landys, who is closing in on the NRL’s next TV rights deal.
“The Queensland Rugby League, under the guidance of Brian Canavan (chairman) and Ben Ikin (CEO), have done such a fantastic job that we can’t keep up with registrations at the moment.
“Queensland is booming.
“Having another team in Queensland is definitely not out of the question.
“We’ll sit down with the Queensland Rugby League and work out where they believe it (a fifth NRL team in Queensland) has got the most potential.”
QRL data shows registrations are up 12 per cent on the corresponding period last year, putting Queensland on track to surpass their 70,209 club participants in 2025.
The NRL has previously been unimpressed with bids from Christchurch.
There are also concerns about the smaller economy of New Zealand at a time when Brisbane’s west is one of the fastest growing corridors in Australia.
An Ipswich-based bid has been gunning to enter the NRL for the past decade, with the Jets losing out to the cashed-up Redcliffe Dolphins organisation in 2021.
Toowoomba’s Western Clydesdales already field a team in the Queensland Cup and would be the perfect feeder club to a 20th NRL franchise in the Ipswich region.
There were fears the dawn of the Dolphins would cannibalise the Broncos, but Brisbane’s commercial strength and crowds have increased - underlining the power of NRL expansion into Queensland.
V’landys stressed the NRL is focused on ensuring their incoming clubs, Perth and Papua New Guinea, have smooth success ahead of their entries in 2027 and 2028 respectively.
But with the Brisbane Olympics looming in 2032, the western corridor is crying out for an NRL franchise in a region that has produced Wayne Bennett, Allan Langer and Kevin Walters.
“Their efforts have got to be rewarded at some point,” V’landys said of Brisbane’s western corridor bid.
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“It’s going to be a tough decision, but we don’t want to rush any timeframes.
“We want to settle these two new teams in first. The PNG Chiefs and the Perth Bears are our priority and once they’re settled in, we’ll have a look then for the 20th team.
“I don’t think people realise the exciting times ahead with PNG and Perth Bears.
“Expansion shows the game is as popular as it’s even been and it’s a great place to be when we can’t keep up with the amount of people that want to play the game in Queensland.”
Johnson is adamant the Jets could hit the ground running in the NRL for 2030 - if not sooner - and warned the AFL threat is real.
“It’s very heartening to hear Peter V’landys’ comments,” he said.
“Whether it’s Ipswich or central Queensland, this state can sustain another NRL franchise.
“The AFL is committing huge revenue to grassroots and they are looking at our western corridor because that’s where the future is.
“Our region is basically the Penrith of Queensland.
“We would have the playing talent and juniors to be ready for the NRL in 2028, but if they want us in 2030 or 2032, that’s fine.
“We will have a $40 million redevelopment of North Ipswich Reserve finished in 2027 and the dressing-room facilities will be as good as anything in rugby league.
“There’s only one choice in my eyes for the 20th licence and that’s Brisbane’s western corridor.”
 

Wb1234

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Yeh nothing article nz still huge favourites

central qld would be a disaster

good to see how well the qrl are doing growing the game

canavan and ikin are good
 

newc18

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It's only natural that the NRL explores potential options for the 20th team but I really hope they aren't considering it because of the AFL. That's the worst possible reason to bring in a new team.

Not everyone is going to support League in QLD, there will always be those who want to be different. The AFL growing in Queensland is perfectly fine as long as the NRL is growing as well (which it is). The AFL's growth isn't at the expense of League.

If there is going to be a 5th QLD team, it needs to come at the expense of a poorly supported Sydney team, not new growth markets.
 

James Rick

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It's only natural that the NRL explores potential options for the 20th team but I really hope they aren't considering it because of the AFL. That's the worst possible reason to bring in a new team.

Not everyone is going to support League in QLD, there will always be those who want to be different. The AFL growing in Queensland is perfectly fine as long as the NRL is growing as well (which it is). The AFL's growth isn't at the expense of League.

If there is going to be a 5th QLD team, it needs to come at the expense of a poorly supported Sydney team, not new growth markets.
Google Trends was interesting when I decided to check NRL vs AFL in Queensland.

2025 - 68% NRL to 32% AFL.
2026 - 73% NRL to 27% AFL.

It's also worth noting the Lions first game at the Gabba this year failed to sell out, there were still heaps of seats available on the day of the game and this is with the Lions coming off back to back premierships.

The Lions were bragging about their game against the Suns last year being a sell out on Labour Day weekend but I know a bloke who went and he only went because he got a free ticket. Another thing about the Lions a lot of people probably don't know is they sign you up as an email member if you buy a ticket to a Lions game at the Gabba, and I have no doubt they count these people in their official membership tally.

NRL is growing faster than AFL in Queensland and the statistics back this up. I've said before that I'd love the 20th team to be based in Ipswich, as I have no doubt it'll be a success as it'll capitalise on growth in the west and as someone else mentioned it is the Penrith of Brisbane the potential there is huge. Plus how good would it be to have more Queensland derbies? The appetite is certainly there for it.
 

Steel Saints

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Mixed feelings with Brisbane 3. They may be Penrith of Qld and after two risky expansion teams, the NRL may want to go with the safer option of adding another team in Qld.

But somewhere like Christchurch would've represented a new market, new fans. A NZ Derby! Plus the Friday 6pm timeslot made more sense for a second Kiwi team.
 

Colk

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Mixed feelings with Brisbane 3. They may be Penrith of Qld and after two risky expansion teams, the NRL may want to go with the safer option of adding another team in Qld.

But somewhere like Christchurch would've represented a new market, new fans. A NZ Derby! Plus the Friday 6pm timeslot made more sense for a second Kiwi team.

Essentially if they want both they are going to have to kill a side. There’s an obvious one.
 

BuffaloRules

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Not enough talent. There is a limit to how many sides you can have

If you just want competitive games …the amount of overall talent is irrelevant…it’s more about sharing the talent around as equally as possible…

I also think the plan is to expand the talent base via expansion
 
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i0Nic

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This also could be a play to get some money out of NZ - once you create a competitive market for the next team you create a reason for someone to pay for it.
 

BuffaloRules

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AFL threat is real!!
It's gonna get ya !!!

Boo !!

I’ll say again… the AFL threat is a furphy …it’s the hook that gets the media clicks …

I’d be following the money ..which one is going to bring in the most… initially and when established ?

This also could be a play to get some money out of NZ - once you create a competitive market for the next team you create a reason for someone to pay for it.

Always comes back to this for me …who is going to be putting up the money for NZ2? All they can up with so far is an unnamed mystery man …
 
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Wb1234

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Ipswich would be lucky to average 15k crowds now. Don’t need that just yet
I’ll say again… the AFL threat is a furphy …it’s the hook that gets the media clicks …

I’d be following the money ..which one is going to bring in the most… initially and when established ?



Always comes back to this for me …who is going to be putting up the money for NZ2? All they can up with so far is an unnamed mystery man …
What money do you think an nz team needs to have put up ?

Dolphins put up zilch
 

flippikat

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f**k it just bring them both in at the same time. NZ2 2030 and Bris3 2031.
Maybe not at the same time, BUT a roadmap to add both could be useful.

Perhaps Perth 2027, PNG 2028, a wee pause then NZ2 in 2030 & Brisbane 3 in 2031.. then a hold off team 22 for a few years ?

Sure, that means odd numbers of teams for a while & the weekly bye that comes with an odd number of teams from 2028-2029 (two seasons with 19 teams) then 2031 until when the 22nd team is added (mid-late 2030s?)... but with the travel to/from Perth & PNG a weekly bye could actually be useful for scheduling long-distance travels.
 

BuffaloRules

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Ipswich would be lucky to average 15k crowds now. Don’t need that just yet

What money do you think an nz team needs to have put up ?

Dolphins put up zilch

We both saw what happened with Perth first hand .. times have changed since the Dolphins apparently ..,NRL is “show me the money “ these days

I’m not sure NZ Governments put in money to obtain sporting teams either… but someone is going to have to either private and public …

Then there will be the question of what the broadcasters want and how much more they will pay for either..
 

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