Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

[Wb1234]

We both saw what happened with Perth first hand .. times have changed since the Dolphins apparently ..,

I’m not sure NZ Governments put in money to obtain sporting teams either… but someone is going to have to private and public …

Then there will be the question of what the broadcasters will pay for each one I guess

We ignoring the hundreds of millions on the new stadium ?

Your last sentence is true of course but there’s many factors including what the dolphins say

png were going to play in cairns for a bit till the cowboys said no chance

nrl should just announce chch as team 20 then find investors it approves of

Chalmers and Moffat ain’t it I agree with you there

 

[Colk]

If you just want competitive games …the amount of overall talent is irrelevant…it’s more about sharing the talent around as equally as possible…

I also think the plan is to expand the talent base via expansion

You are definitely right in terms of spreading the talent better. Nothing against a salary cap but I am still not sure that it is effective in isolation.. it’s designed to be in connection with another mechanism.

I think if you are expanding the talent base, the only option that you can guarantee that is with another NZ team. PNG, Perth and even another Brisbane team will take longer to come to fruition.

 

[BuffaloRules]

We ignoring the hundreds of millions on the new stadium ?

Your last sentence is true of course but there’s many factors including what the dolphins say

png were going to play in cairns for a bit till the cowboys said no chance

nrl should just announce chch as team 20 then find investors it approves of

Chalmers and Moffat ain’t it I agree with you there

The main problem is that I doubt it’s going to be announced until 2029 at the earliest after the other two teams have come in … so looking at the world we are living in these days …a lot can happen between now and then

If they are getting the squillions the journos are claiming for the broadcast deal …bring them both in

 

[BuffaloRules]

You are definitely right in terms of spreading the talent better. Nothing against a salary cap but I am still not sure that it is effective in isolation.. it’s designed to be in connection with another mechanism.

I think if you are expanding the talent base, the only option that you can guarantee that is with another NZ team. PNG, Perth and even another Brisbane team will take longer to come to fruition.

Another thing they could do is use some of this broadcast revenue to sign like 30-40 Rugby players

 

[Colk]

Another thing they could do is use some of this broadcast revenue to sign like 30-40 Rugby players

That would fill some holes. Backline players in Rigby are the only ones that have a decent chance of coming over

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Welsh: Why Brisbane is the perfect spot for NRL's 20th team

"I hope it's high on their list because I think it's an area that we need to get to!"

www.sen.com.au

 

[Wb1234]

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Peter V'Landys, Ben Ikin all in on fifth Queensland NRL team

Queensland Rugby League boss Ben Ikin has backed the re-emergence of a central Queensland NRL bid and is fully supportive of a fifth NRL team in the state.

www.espn.com.au

QLD remain firm in NRL expansion plans | Fox Sports Videos

NRL: The push for a 5th Queensland team is still very much possible as the competition records towards having 20 teams.

www.foxsports.com.au

Badel's link is same articled i posted yesterday with an addendum. see belows

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/peter-vlandys-reveals-nrl-is-exploring-expansion-options-for-third-brisbane-nrl-team/news-story/24caae3873456b0dafef8554efe27924?amp

Peter V’landys reveals NRL is exploring expansion options for third Brisbane NRL team​

The NRL is exploring another Queensland expansion team as it looks to capitalise on an explosion of playing numbers in the Sunshine State, while killing off the AFL threat in Brisbane.


ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys has revealed the NRL is exploring another Queensland expansion team to join forces with the Broncos and kill off the AFL threat in the battle for Brisbane’s west.
This masthead can reveal the ARL Commission will meet with Queensland Rugby League bosses to devise plans for a possible third Brisbane NRL franchise to satisfy a rugby league registration boom in the Sunshine State.
V’landys’ revelation comes as Ipswich NRL bid boss Steve Johnson declared the Jets could be operational by 2030 as the ARL Commission marches towards a 20-team competition by the 2032 Brisbane Olympics.
A second New Zealand team was widely considered the hot front-runner for fresh expansion, with three Christchurch consortia jostling to win the NRL’s 20th licence.
But the ARL Commission may yet pivot to Queensland and give the Sunshine State a fifth NRL licence - and second in less than a decade following the admission of the Dolphins in 2023.

Peter V'landys wants to kill off the AFL threat in Brisbane’s west. Picture: Jonathan Ng
Not only is V’landys mindful of the explosion in playing numbers in Queensland, but the ever-growing threat of a rival AFL code that is pumping $1 billion into dominating Brisbane’s western corridor.
The ARL Commission will investigate several regions, including central Queensland, but a Jets franchise in Brisbane’s western corridor would be a powerhouse in a region that also has strong support for the Broncos.
“New Zealand has a strong case, absolutely, but we’ve never discounted the fact we want another Queensland team,” said V’landys, who is closing in on the NRL’s next TV rights deal.
“The Queensland Rugby League, under the guidance of Brian Canavan (chairman) and Ben Ikin (CEO), have done such a fantastic job that we can’t keep up with registrations at the moment.
“Queensland is booming.
“Having another team in Queensland is definitely not out of the question.
“We’ll sit down with the Queensland Rugby League and work out where they believe it (a fifth NRL team in Queensland) has got the most potential.”
QRL data shows registrations are up 12 per cent on the corresponding period last year, putting Queensland on track to surpass their 70,209 club participants in 2025.
The NRL has previously been unimpressed with bids from Christchurch.
There are also concerns about the smaller economy of New Zealand at a time when Brisbane’s west is one of the fastest growing corridors in Australia.
An Ipswich-based bid has been gunning to enter the NRL for the past decade, with the Jets losing out to the cashed-up Redcliffe Dolphins organisation in 2021.
Toowoomba’s Western Clydesdales already field a team in the Queensland Cup and would be the perfect feeder club to a 20th NRL franchise in the Ipswich region.
There were fears the dawn of the Dolphins would cannibalise the Broncos, but Brisbane’s commercial strength and crowds have increased - underlining the power of NRL expansion into Queensland.
V’landys stressed the NRL is focused on ensuring their incoming clubs, Perth and Papua New Guinea, have smooth success ahead of their entries in 2027 and 2028 respectively.
But with the Brisbane Olympics looming in 2032, the western corridor is crying out for an NRL franchise in a region that has produced Wayne Bennett, Allan Langer and Kevin Walters.
“Their efforts have got to be rewarded at some point,” V’landys said of Brisbane’s western corridor bid.

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“It’s going to be a tough decision, but we don’t want to rush any timeframes.
“We want to settle these two new teams in first. The PNG Chiefs and the Perth Bears are our priority and once they’re settled in, we’ll have a look then for the 20th team.
“I don’t think people realise the exciting times ahead with PNG and Perth Bears.
“Expansion shows the game is as popular as it’s even been and it’s a great place to be when we can’t keep up with the amount of people that want to play the game in Queensland.”
Johnson is adamant the Jets could hit the ground running in the NRL for 2030 - if not sooner - and warned the AFL threat is real.
“It’s very heartening to hear Peter V’landys’ comments,” he said.
“Whether it’s Ipswich or central Queensland, this state can sustain another NRL franchise.
“The AFL is committing huge revenue to grassroots and they are looking at our western corridor because that’s where the future is.
“Our region is basically the Penrith of Queensland.
“We would have the playing talent and juniors to be ready for the NRL in 2028, but if they want us in 2030 or 2032, that’s fine.
“We will have a $40 million redevelopment of North Ipswich Reserve finished in 2027 and the dressing-room facilities will be as good as anything in rugby league.
“There’s only one choice in my eyes for the 20th licence and that’s Brisbane’s western corridor.”

 

[Marlins]

CQ team based out of Mackay or Rocky with split games between the two would be insane for the grassroots to NRL pathway.
Uneducated people will say The cowboys cover all this area but they don’t. The cows would benefit from focusing on Townsville/Burdekin to Cairns and north. Well a CQ team could cover from the Whitsundays to The Wide bay Region.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

CQ team based out of Mackay or Rocky with split games between the two would be insane for the grassroots to NRL pathway.
Uneducated people will say The cowboys cover all this area but they don’t. The cows would benefit from focusing on Townsville/Burdekin to Cairns and north. Well a CQ team could cover from the Whitsundays to The Wide bay Region.

can't really compare one of the fastest growing corridors in west of brissy to CQ though.
if theyre going with the big bad afl angle then cq is no threat of not being an rl heartland ever. doesnt mean nrl can be complacent there though.

they need more games for the locals.

 

[Wb1234]

Central qld bid would be so stupid and cowboys won’t allow it. Nrl already has way too many regional sides that struggle v city clubs

good to see expansion talk is ramping up even if it’s just Richo trying to get more consulting work for his firm

60 million license fee? Don’t think it’s enough to leapfrog Christchurch

 

[Vee]

Mixed feelings with Brisbane 3. They may be Penrith of Qld and after two risky expansion teams, the NRL may want to go with the safer option of adding another team in Qld.

But somewhere like Christchurch would've represented a new market, new fans. A NZ Derby! Plus the Friday 6pm timeslot made more sense for a second Kiwi team.

And the pathways.

 

[mongoose]

CQ team based out of Mackay or Rocky with split games between the two would be insane for the grassroots to NRL pathway.
Uneducated people will say The cowboys cover all this area but they don’t. The cows would benefit from focusing on Townsville/Burdekin to Cairns and north. Well a CQ team could cover from the Whitsundays to The Wide bay Region.

CQ is too small, too sparsely populated. Townsville + Cairns is just under 400k people and is considered a small market.

Rocky + Mackay is barely above 200k... they would stuggle.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Central qld bid would be so stupid and cowboys won’t allow it. Nrl already has way too many regional sides that struggle v city clubs

good to see expansion talk is ramping up even if it’s just Richo trying to get more consulting work for his firm

60 million license fee? Don’t think it’s enough to leapfrog Christchurch

what license fee does nz 2 have? that baloney orcas bid had nothing real. kia had nothing. the mysterious 3rd bid had nothing either. i haven't heard squat except the fake $300m from that pelican Andrew Chalmers who is a phoney. those 3 bids needed to become 1 and then its irresistible but they wont wanna do it.

jets already have infrastructure in place. brand, resources, pathways, hq etc. they wouldn't need as much $$ to get up and that $60m is just the private side. we dont know what qld gov might throw at it. we do know that nz gov aint throwing a dollar at nz 2 though. they will be all private cash.

 

[Wb1234]

what license fee does nz 2 have? that baloney orcas bid had nothing real. kia had nothing. the mysterious 3rd bid had nothing either. i haven't heard squat except the fake $300m from that pelican Andrew Chalmers who is a phoney. those 3 bids needed to become 1 and then its irresistible but they wont wanna do it.

jets already have infrastructure in place. brand, resources, pathways, hq etc. they wouldn't need as much $$ to get up and that $60m is just the private side. we dont know what qld gov might throw at it. we do know that nz gov aint throwing a dollar at nz 2 though. they will be all private cash.

Pretend the new stadium in chch doesn’t exist and that they promise to build it to get a new nrl side

all of a sudden the govt has committed 800 million to the nz bid

red bear did say once Ipswich / qrl / nrl were looking at trading off new club for stadium upgrades at Suncorp which shouldve happened with the dolphins but Pvl didn’t think of it

and for me chch blows Ipswich out of the water as team 20

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Pretend the new stadium in chch doesn’t exist and that they promise to build it to get a new nrl side

all of a sudden the govt has committed 800 million to the nz bid

red bear did say once Ipswich / qrl / nrl were looking at trading off new club for stadium upgrades at Suncorp which shouldve happened with the dolphins but Pvl didn’t think of it

and for me chch blows Ipswich out of the water as team 20

but the stadium does exist and so does suncorp. so its irrelevant. nz gov hasnt committed anything and won't, thats the unfortunate truth, their economy is shot. i dont think theres any point going into make belief scenarios here.

qld gov already investing heavily into sports due to the olympics. will not take much to swing an extra $30-50m more to keep building up more of those already ongoing upgrades to ippy jets hq. all that is happening in real time.

we need to make both happen and give them 5 years apart but guarantee entry.
2032 nz 2 and 2037 jets.

 

[Marlins]

CQ is too small, too sparsely populated. Townsville + Cairns is just under 400k people and is considered a small market.

Rocky + Mackay is barely above 200k... they would stuggle.

Greater Mackay/Whitsunday's is 200k
rockhampton - Gladstone is 250k

Gladstone - Mackay is roughly the same distance from Townsville to Cairns.

550k+ North Queensland
450k+ Central Queensland

It’s more about getting better pathways and the best way to do that would be to have a team in the region. The areas to big for The Cows to cover and to important for RL not to fully invest in.

 

[Marlins]

can't really compare one of the fastest growing corridors in west of brissy to CQ though.
if theyre going with the big bad afl angle then cq is no threat of not being an rl heartland ever. doesnt mean nrl can be complacent there though.

they need more games for the locals.

The AFL is brining more and more games up this way. The GC suns Women’s have an agreement in Mackay at the cricket club and are here a few times a year. I do agree Ipswich would be my first choice

 

[BuffaloRules]

Greater Mackay/Whitsunday's is 200k
rockhampton - Gladstone is 250k

Gladstone - Mackay is roughly the same distance from Townsville to Cairns.

550k+ North Queensland
450k+ Central Queensland

It’s more about getting better pathways and the best way to do that would be to have a team in the region. The areas to big for The Cows to cover and to important for RL not to fully invest in.

No “AFL threat “ though ?

 

[newc18]

I'm not opposed to an Ipswich team but perhaps if they come in they could move 2-3 games to central QLD and the Dolphins can move 2-3 games to the Sunshine Coast?

I don't think we need a full-time team in central Queensland.