'Dogs sack absent Maitua - now he wants a payout

[fourplay]

i cant beleive what professional sport has come to in this country.

Reni had to be sacked from the bulldogs. it was a toxic relationship. he didnt want to be there, he was harming himself let alone his football career, and he was destabilising the club.

but once again, we have an over-reaction from the uncordinated media-types who've never laced-on a boot. a jeolous public which is revelling in cutting down yet another high profile footballer to make up for their own boring and f**ked up lives, and BS talk about de-registering Maitua from the NRL because he might be affecting the image of the game and ticking off the game's corporate sponsors. didnt realise skipping a training session and nursing a hangover was comparable to glassing.

currently 57% of 665 respondents to a poll on to the tele.com poll reckon he should be deregistered. wonder how many of those people have take a sickie after a night on the turps and how they would deal with being prohinbited to continue in their profession for such misdemeanors.

Well said!

 

[Chachi]

i cant beleive what professional sport has come to in this country.

Reni had to be sacked from the bulldogs. it was a toxic relationship. he didnt want to be there, he was harming himself let alone his football career, and he was destabilising the club.

but once again, we have an over-reaction from the uncordinated media-types who've never laced-on a boot. a jeolous public which is revelling in cutting down yet another high profile footballer to make up for their own boring and f**ked up lives, and BS talk about de-registering Maitua from the NRL because he might be affecting the image of the game and ticking off the game's corporate sponsors. didnt realise skipping a training session and nursing a hangover was comparable to glassing.

currently 57% of 665 respondents to a poll on to the tele.com poll reckon he should be deregistered. wonder how many of those people have take a sickie after a night on the turps and how they would deal with being prohinbited to continue in their profession for such misdemeanors.

You know what? The main reason I'd like to see him deregistered is that he signed a good contract with the Dogs but sometime between then and now he's decided that he'd rather play for another team. He screwed his club around to get sacked and guess what...Reni Maitua and some other club are the ones that win out of it when he picks up another contract straight away.

So before you get uppity about people making moral judgements on why he got sacked I think there are just as many people pissed off by these clowns treating their club and the fans like sh*t to get out of contracts. The players are the ones giving professional sports in this country a bad name...not the boring f**ked up loser fans.

You can add Frank Pritchard to that list too - I have massive doubts that whinging idiot will last the season at Penrith.

 

[Chachi]

No, but they were all either based on criminal charges, or at the very least a police investigation into the ultimate transgression that led to their sacking.

So what, the Bulldogs have to bend over and take it up the ass while Maitua runs around doing whatever the hell he wants? The guy has a massive history and the Dogs are entitled to take whatever action they want.

And I don't even like the Dogs! :crazy:

 

[Karmawave]

So what, the Bulldogs have to bend over and take it up the ass while Maitua runs around doing whatever the hell he wants? The guy has a massive history and the Dogs are entitled to take whatever action they want.

And I don't even like the Dogs! :crazy:

NOOOOOOO , are you even reading? :lol:


The Dogs are within every right to sack him. That is their choice, and I agree with their decision given the problems they have had with him.


But the Dogs sacking him and then expecting the NRL to prevent him from seeking work elsewhere over such a trivial minor offence, is bordering on insane.

If he did worse stuff before, then he should have went before, but you'll find that Reni's lawyers will have a field day taking the NRL to court if they attempt to deregister him for 2009 over a training no show! What happened in the past, is in the past and even if it contributed to his sacking, it cannot be used in any deregistration!

Just because the club is fed up with him, shouldn't mean a club who wants to take a chance on him shouldn't be able to sign him.

This is completely different to Bird and Carney, and any other NRL player who have been deregistered - the police and criminal charges are not involved.

Which is why Reni should not be deregistered and I would be highly suprised that the NRL will attempt to do so knowing they are no chance of winning any challenge Reni and his lawyers would make in court.

 

[Karmawave]

I mean here's the NRL's credibility ...

Arana Taumata, sacked from Brisbane and the Roosters before being sacked from the Bulldogs for allegedly breaking a blokes jaw. He had already signed a letter of intent with the Newcastle Knights for 2009 who end up withdrawing the contract with the news of the broken jaw incident - days before he was due to put pen to paper... So he is clubless. Sacked by 3 clubs before the age of 20. Another pulling out of a deal, all while he is facing serious assault charges for allegedly breaking a blokes jaw...

And along comes the Melbourne Storm who have signed him for 2009 with a registered contract from the NRL :lol:

And the NRL want to deregister Reni Maitua just because the Dogs showed him the door when the final straw was not showing up for training?

Give me a break.

The NRL are becoming a total joke - and they wonder why people are losing interest in the game.

Its one rule for one bloke and another for someone else. I guess it comes down to how much ability you have huh?

Its embarrassing.

 

[sharko]

He needs a coach who is tough on discipline..Folkes was being white anted too much so that the players did not respect him. Maybe the Dragons under Bennett could be an option..they have just got rid of a few poor forwards and may need to strengthen their back row.
Maybe the Sharks minus Bird could be an option.
I do not think that Jason Taylor is tough enough to control him, so Souths would not be a good option.

 

[aqua_duck]

I mean here's the NRL's credibility ...

Arana Taumata, sacked from Brisbane and the Roosters before being sacked from the Bulldogs for allegedly breaking a blokes jaw. He had already signed a letter of intent with the Newcastle Knights for 2009 who end up withdrawing the contract with the news of the broken jaw incident - days before he was due to put pen to paper... So he is clubless. Sacked by 3 clubs before the age of 20. Another pulling out of a deal, all while he is facing serious assault charges for allegedly breaking a blokes jaw...

And along comes the Melbourne Storm who have signed him for 2009 with a registered contract from the NRL :lol:

And the NRL want to deregister Reni Maitua just because the Dogs showed him the door when the final straw was not showing up for training?

Give me a break.

The NRL are becoming a total joke - and they wonder why people are losing interest in the game.

Its one rule for one bloke and another for someone else. I guess it comes down to how much ability you have huh?

Its embarrassing.

exactly.
I mean there are that many examples of player misbehaviour its not funny. Missing training is pretty trivial in the scheme of things...

 

[Chachi]

NOOOOOOO , are you even reading? :lol:


The Dogs are within every right to sack him. That is their choice, and I agree with their decision given the problems they have had with him.


But the Dogs sacking him and then expecting the NRL to prevent him from seeking work elsewhere over such a trivial minor offence, is bordering on insane.

If he did worse stuff before, then he should have went before, but you'll find that Reni's lawyers will have a field day taking the NRL to court if they attempt to deregister him for 2009 over a training no show! What happened in the past, is in the past and even if it contributed to his sacking, it cannot be used in any deregistration!

Just because the club is fed up with him, shouldn't mean a club who wants to take a chance on him shouldn't be able to sign him.

This is completely different to Bird and Carney, and any other NRL player who have been deregistered - the police and criminal charges are not involved.

Which is why Reni should not be deregistered and I would be highly suprised that the NRL will attempt to do so knowing they are no chance of winning any challenge Reni and his lawyers would make in court.

I am reading. What you are saying that the NRL is only within its rights to deregister a player if the final incident he is sacked for involves a police investigation - which may or may not lead to charges being pressed.

I think that's crap. The NRL should be within it's rights to deregister a player in consultation with his club no matter what the circumstances. For example, if a player is charged and found guilty of a criminal offence but is kept on by the club (for whatever reason) with the stipulation that any other breach of the code of conduct means the termination of his contract then I think a. the player should consider himself lucky that he has a second chance, and b. his club should not be penalised if he breaches his contract which leads to his sacking.

The Dogs and their fans are the big losers here. They have finished recruiting for next season yet now find themselves in a position where they have a hole in their roster because one player has decided to act like a dickhead again.

Explain to me why Maitua should be exempt from any real punishment here and in fact rewarded by allowing him to jump ship to join another club without penalty - which is in fact what he most probably wants to do.

 

[Karmawave]

I am reading. What you are saying that the NRL is only within its rights to deregister a player if the final incident he is sacked for involves a police investigation - which may or may not lead to charges being pressed.

I think that's crap. The NRL should be within it's rights to deregister a player in consultation with his club no matter what the circumstances. For example, if a player is charged and found guilty of a criminal offence but is kept on by the club (for whatever reason) with the stipulation that any other breach of the code of conduct means the termination of his contract then I think a. the player should consider himself lucky that he has a second chance, and b. his club should not be penalised if he breaches his contract which leads to his sacking.

The Dogs and their fans are the big losers here. They have finished recruiting for next season yet now find themselves in a position where they have a hole in their roster because one player has decided to act like a dickhead again.

Explain to me why Maitua should be exempt from any real punishment here and in fact rewarded by allowing him to jump ship to join another club without penalty - which is in fact what he most probably wants to do.

Its not about debating what is wrong or right - I agree with you in that sense, that its not fair on the clubs to lose a player and see him excel elsewhere - but thats the CLUBS CHOICE , and he should not be prevented from going somewhere else if another club wants to employ him and take a chance.

Its not even about wrong or right. Its about getting the same set of standards from one player to the next. About getting the NRL to stop being hypocritical.

You tell me, how does Arana Taumata get sacked from 3 clubs, another club pull out of signing him when learning he is facing severe charges in relation to breaking a blokes jaw in a serious assault, and the NRL still registers his contract when he signs with the Melbourne Storm?

Here's a bloke fighting charges for breaking a blokes jaw who has been sacked 3 times already getting registered by the NRL, while Reni is sacked one time from the Bulldogs ( with the final reason being he missed a training session ) and is facing a year in isolation because the NRL won't register another contract in 2009.

:lol:

How can anyone even defend the hypocrisy shown by the NRL there?

 

[Chachi]

I mean here's the NRL's credibility ...

Arana Taumata, sacked from Brisbane and the Roosters before being sacked from the Bulldogs for allegedly breaking a blokes jaw. He had already signed a letter of intent with the Newcastle Knights for 2009 who end up withdrawing the contract with the news of the broken jaw incident - days before he was due to put pen to paper... So he is clubless. Sacked by 3 clubs before the age of 20. Another pulling out of a deal, all while he is facing serious assault charges for allegedly breaking a blokes jaw...

And along comes the Melbourne Storm who have signed him for 2009 with a registered contract from the NRL :lol:

And the NRL want to deregister Reni Maitua just because the Dogs showed him the door when the final straw was not showing up for training?

Give me a break.

The NRL are becoming a total joke - and they wonder why people are losing interest in the game.

Its one rule for one bloke and another for someone else. I guess it comes down to how much ability you have huh?

Its embarrassing.

Well, the point there is that the NRL need to be more consistent. I'm not defending the NRL in how they operate at all - Far from it. I'm saying the clubs need protection from the governing body when handing out punishments to the players when it is required.

You've just pointed out a classic example of where things go horribly wrong and why players think they can get away with anything.

I'm expressing an opinion as a concerned fan of the game who has seen his club held to ransom by a player who thought he could get away with anything he wanted. I think it sucks if a club with salary cap constraints puts a certain percentage of their cap into a guy that does all he can to upset the ship and get sacked with the only outcome being he goes to another club straight away and the club he came from is left to play the remainder of the season with a significant hole in their roster.

The only thing good about the Carney and Goodwin sacking is that we didn't have to pay either of them a cent of their upgraded contract value.

 

[mattyg]

lol Maitua has a hell of a lot more potential than Taumata IMO. Taumata is younger, and Reni is an international and he should be a senior player at any club. The NRL would be right to de-register Maitua for a year.

 

[Raidersrawesome]

I only want the NRL to de-register him to stop the Sharks picking him up after they sack another d*ckhead.

 

[Chachi]

Maybe what we need to do is change the NRL contracts so players get a new deal on a weekly basis and just get paid for the games they decide to turn up to.

If a player decides he wants to leave after round 5 because he's bored or he wants to joint the club at the top of the table then he's free to do so. If a player decides he wants to take a break to get sh*tfaced for 3 weeks in the middle of the season he just doesn't renew his weekly contract for that period and does whatever the hell he wants.

Surely there's no downside.

 

[eelandia]

The thing is, there are no guarantees for Reni that 'if' he is picked up by a club that he will be on the same money or conditions. I would doubt very much that at this late stage any NRL club could offer up the supposed $250k for him. Who knows what other fringe benefits he had with the club?

The bulldogs have made a decision, saved themselves $250k and Reni through his own actions will probably lose money in the short term. That should be the end of it.

Why the NRL has to enter the fray, I do not know.

****

 

[Loudstrat]

He isn't restricted from earning a dollar elsewhere. Just the NRL. And the only players that have recently been de-registered have been for criminal offences - Todd Carney, Tevita Leo-Latu. Dane Tilse would be the only player, from the best of my knowledge, who hasn't to this point.

Restraint of trade. He oculd argue that in court unless he was sacked for a Carney/Birt type incidend (and Bird hasn't been sacked as yet)

And in essence I agree however it seems Maitua has forced the Bulldogs hand by making them sack him so he can leave. If that is the case than the NRL, IMO, shouldn't allow him to sign with another club until his contract period has expired.

Willie Mason anyone?

Mason was unhappy - and agitated the get sacked - same time of year too. Mason joined the Roosters, now a whimper from the NRL. According to all reports, Mason's behaviour and commitment to the Roosters is 100%.

SBW was also unhappy at the Dogs, and took off to another sport. The NRL promised to back Canterbury in an expensive legal fight, and piked out when the going got tough.

Rene's situation is like Masons. Maybe a change of club, and a change of people in charge of him will solve the problems. It's happened many times before - expect it will happen to Tim Smith. Clinton Schifcofske is another example - drug cheat at the Crushers, model player at Eels and Raiders.

The NRL can do what they want - it's their competition.

It isn't their contract law, though.

 

[Chachi]

He signed an NRL contract and the NRL sanctions the players code of conduct. The NRL should be well within their rights to determine who can and can't play in their competition if there is sufficient evidence to show a player has been in breach of the rules of employment.

The fact the NRL shows absolutely no consistency in applying those rights is an entirely different matter - but I don't think anybody who they have imposed a ban on has fought the matter in the courts and won.

 

[Loudstrat]

Contract is not employment for starters.

And a contract is two way. What if a club breaches contract conditions - does the NRL prevent players from joining them?

 

[HevyDevy]

Well, the point there is that the NRL need to be more consistent. I'm not defending the NRL in how they operate at all - Far from it. I'm saying the clubs need protection from the governing body when handing out punishments to the players when it is required.

You've just pointed out a classic example of where things go horribly wrong and why players think they can get away with anything.

I'm expressing an opinion as a concerned fan of the game who has seen his club held to ransom by a player who thought he could get away with anything he wanted. I think it sucks if a club with salary cap constraints puts a certain percentage of their cap into a guy that does all he can to upset the ship and get sacked with the only outcome being he goes to another club straight away and the club he came from is left to play the remainder of the season with a significant hole in their roster.

The only thing good about the Carney and Goodwin sacking is that we didn't have to pay either of them a cent of their upgraded contract value.

You both make a very good argument.

The Bulldogs should be protected by the NRL for taking this stance. It's unfair on them to take deserved disciplinary action against a player and then see him turn out for another NRL club in 2009.

 

[Loudstrat]

Not if the player has recognised that the club is not the best place for him to be? He requested to be released to join the Cowpats - and they refused. Fair enough - they have that right. But then to sack him a few months later - and the NRL imposes a ban - how is that fair?

Lets say that Maitua recognised he had a problem that he couldn't solve with the Canterbury staff. He possibly saw a change of location away from the influences that damage him, and maybe under someone who could change his attitude, and help him turn it around. Brett Seymour at Cronulla comes to mind, as does Dan Tilse at Canberra. Why deny him that if you are not convinced that he would be worth the trouble of keeping?

 

[Chachi]

Contract is not employment for starters.

And a contract is two way. What if a club breaches contract conditions - does the NRL prevent players from joining them?

That's a silly argument. When was the last time a club breached contract conditions?

I'd suggest the last time a club didn't have enough money to pay their players they got kicked out of the league - that club being Newtown. Or maybe it was the Gold Coast...hmmm...