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Ponga Appreciation Thread.

perverse

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I’ve got to say, KP’s post deflated me a little bit. Not because I was super keen for him to leave, but I was feeling like a clean break with a new coaching team and new captain would be the more positive outcome for us.

I hope he genuinely feels that way and wasn’t just because of media pressure because completely agree the best option would have been to let it play out so everyone’s happy.
We need a year at least to see if Ponga, Sharpe and Dylbags is going to work or not. I personally think it's unlikely we're going to see another convergence of talent in the club in important positions like that for quite a while potentially, so I'm eager to see if we can make it work. It's in our best interests for it to work and is honestly our most straight forward path to anything nice happening in the short-mid term for us.

There's still a worry in the back of my head that Sharpe either doesn't come back at all from these injuries - or comes back a lesser player too. I try to shut it up, but we are Newcastle and we can't have nice things... and his injuries are quite grievous.

New coach. New ideas. See what happens. Unfortunately they're going to have to work with a peashooter forward pack next year unless something changes dramatically between now and Round 1 next year.
 

macavity

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We are still a hooker away from any sort of settled spine regardless of what anyone sles does.

I am not upset Pong is staying, but also wouldn't have been upset if he left (except for the narrative that writes about our bin fire of a club).

If he stays fit and gets firing to the level we know he can this is a positive inflection point.

If he gets injured yet again or continues on this year's trajectory, it is a negative one.
 

Woody90

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We need a year at least to see if Ponga, Sharpe and Dylbags is going to work or not. I personally think it's unlikely we're going to see another convergence of talent in the club in important positions like that for quite a while potentially, so I'm eager to see if we can make it work. It's in our best interests for it to work and is honestly our most straight forward path to anything nice happening in the short-mid term for us.

There's still a worry in the back of my head that Sharpe either doesn't come back at all from these injuries - or comes back a lesser player too. I try to shut it up, but we are Newcastle and we can't have nice things... and his injuries are quite grievous.

New coach. New ideas. See what happens. Unfortunately they're going to have to work with a peashooter forward pack next year unless something changes dramatically between now and Round 1 next year.

For any chance for it to work at all we’d need new coaching and fresh perspectives and a bit of creative thinking, and I just can’t see that happening if we either keep AOB or replace him with Green which appear to be the two most likely options.
 

perverse

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For any chance for it to work at all we’d need new coaching and fresh perspectives and a bit of creative thinking, and I just can’t see that happening if we either keep AOB or replace him with Green which appear to be the two most likely options.
I honestly don't know how any given new coach will work out, I just know the current one can't take us beyond where we've been for the past 6 years.

Some people have been arguing against having "change for changes sake" as a bit of a motto for keeping AOB around. I would argue that the future is only uncertain if we make a change. It's very certain if we stay the course, we've just been through 6 years of it. We need change, and there are no guarentees except for sticking with what we know - which doesn't work.
 

Apey

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We need a year at least to see if Ponga, Sharpe and Dylbags is going to work or not. I personally think it's unlikely we're going to see another convergence of talent in the club in important positions like that for quite a while potentially, so I'm eager to see if we can make it work. It's in our best interests for it to work and is honestly our most straight forward path to anything nice happening in the short-mid term for us.

There's still a worry in the back of my head that Sharpe either doesn't come back at all from these injuries - or comes back a lesser player too. I try to shut it up, but we are Newcastle and we can't have nice things... and his injuries are quite grievous.

New coach. New ideas. See what happens. Unfortunately they're going to have to work with a peashooter forward pack next year unless something changes dramatically between now and Round 1 next year.
Honestly, there's a worry the same for Ponga too. A separate lisfranc injury in each foot now. And just as a bonus, Lucas gets one too.

Wanting Ponga to leave early is crazy to me. At the end 2027? Sure, it's a genuine option we need to consider - a pay cut offered at the very least imo. Now, before we get another quality spine player in is just wild to me. Anyway, I doubt he'd make that post on instagram if he wasn't genuinely committed to staying. And honestly, why wouldn't he be, it never made much sense to me. Who is walking away from 1.4M?
 

Yosh

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We are about to enter a new era under Parr. I'm super hopeful we are going to be run like a proper NRL club and not just a business. We have a good batch of youngsters coming through and there are some great coaching candidates on the market. AOB did well to steady the ship but I think that's as far as he can take us. We need someone with a bit more ambition and a more modern approach to the game.
 

Woosh

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Anyone got a SMH subscription? Joey article.

Probably not much different to what Joey was saying on Freddy and the Eighth.

Being a mod on here doesn’t pay you enough to pay for a subscription?

Kalyn Ponga owes Newcastle nothing and Adam O’Brien has coached the team beyond what a good, not great, roster has been capable of since he arrived at the club.

Both are apparently heading for the exit at the end of the season – Ponga by choice, O’Brien with marching orders.

The Knights’ issues are far bigger than the recent years they have been captain and coach.

Junior mismanagement and recruitment blunders that stretch back 20 years have Newcastle going around and around in circles, struggling from one rebuild to another – it’s one big mess on repeat. And right now, the club needs more than the rebuild that’s about to start.

Goodbye and good luck KP

First things first. Ponga has carried the Knights for years and has been paid very well.

He signed when Newcastle were an absolute basket-case after he’d played a few games with North Queensland.

Now, Ponga is 27, and he has always been ambitious, wanting to win a premiership or challenge himself at the top level in either code – league or union.

The challenge of trying to play for the All Blacks is obviously appealing, and Ponga’s Maori heritage and links to New Zealand are important to him.

The cold, hard fact is he won’t win a premiership at Newcastle. Several senior players – Leo Thompson, Jackson Hastings, Jayden Brailey, Adam Elliott and Jack Hetherington – are going to follow Daniel Saifiti out the door and another rebuild looms.

From my point of view, if Kalyn requests a release from the last two years of his contract, I say goodbye, good luck and thank you for your service to the Knights.

He is a phenomenal, freakish athlete and probably deserves to be on the world stage that rugby can offer. He’s attracted other players to Newcastle and helped deliver sponsors. If he truly wants to go to rugby, it’s time to let him go.

The massive worry for Newcastle if Kalyn leaves at the end of this season is what does 2026 look like? Fletcher Sharpe would move to fullback, where his support play and speed are great assets, while Dylan Brown would play five-eighth or halfback on the richest deal in rugby league history.

But who would be his halves partner? I genuinely don’t know who fits best alongside him. And with Brailey off to Canberra, the club sees Phoenix Crossland as a small No.13 going forward. So the only other dummy-half on the books is Matt Arthur, who has played one game this year and is yet to prove himself. The Knights missed out on Tallyn Da Silva.

That’s two positions in your playmaking spine where you don’t know what the plan is. Putting it politely, it’s a complete mess.

Five recruitment managers in six years

Again, the club is apparently moving on from O’Brien, who seems to be on his last legs after taking Newcastle to four top-eight finishes in his five full seasons at the club. Finals football looks beyond them in 2025.

I think O’Brien has done a good job under extreme pressure in a league-mad town. Those results speak to something like stability on the field, but he has been let down terribly by instability around him.

Jack Gibson’s old quote about winning starting in the front office rings so loud when you consider the five different recruitment managers Newcastle have had since 2018.

For a while, the Knights were averaging a new man in charge every 12 months, in arguably the most important position outside head coach. In 2018, Troy Pezet was shaping the roster. Then Alex McKinnon took over in 2019. By 2021, it was Clint Zammit calling the shots. Then Adam Doyle stepped in when Zammit went to the Roosters.

General manager Peter Parr ended up running recruitment when Doyle wrapped up, and now it’s Peter O’Sullivan undertaking a massive overhaul.

Each recruitment man arrives with a different idea of what player suits the Knights DNA, and what that Knights DNA even looks like.

We see it at a club like Brisbane, with a great history of attacking players, who recruit and develop players like Reece Walsh and Ezra Mam. The Panthers have long been a grinding, tough side, where a guy like Liam Martin thrives.

The Storm are strong, disciplined and very defence-orientated, especially around the ruck. Craig Bellamy works his magic with tough, no-frills forwards.

Canberra are an unorthodox team. They’ve recruited players who can offload up front, and surrounded them with speed from players such as Kaeo Weekes, Xavier Savage, Chevy Stewart and Ethan Strange.

Each of these clubs are in the top six and going to play a massive part in this year’s premiership race.

75 per cent: Development is the Knights DNA

Then there’s Newcastle. The club has always been built on local juniors. This year, the club is running 14th in the NRL, 11th in NSW Cup and Jersey Flegg (under-21s) and 10th in SG Ball (under-19s), where the Knights have otherwise played finals in recent years.

The Harold Matthews (under-17s squad) were runners up to the Warriors in May. These are the kids the club needs to identify and coach the eyeballs out of, because there just hasn’t been a progression of local juniors to first grade in the past six years.

This isn’t O’Brien’s fault. But this is where Newcastle need to rebuild – going right back to the very evening the Knights played their first game in 1988 and the club’s DNA was set in stone with the “three T’s”.

Inaugural coach Allan McMahon, understudy David Waite and juniors coach Keith Onslow came in with the mantra that you had to be tough, you had to be able to tackle, and you had to have plenty of tomorrows – meaning you had a future ahead of you.

They came in with a 10-year plan, that by 1998, 75 per cent of the Newcastle side would be locals. In 1997, we won the club’s first premiership with 11 of the 17 players in the grand final team local juniors. It was the same number in 2001.

The Knights are a development club, built from within because they just can’t compete with richer, more powerful rivals.

It’s time to blow up the junior system and ask Waite and Onslow how to do it. Because the Knights have Brown arriving on a $13 million contract next year, when the club should never have to import a half or hooker.

Places like Newcastle, the coalfields where I’m from, the Upper Hunter, Central Coast and Mid North Coast are rugby-league mad regions.

But the Knights haven’t produced a representative-class halfback since Jarrod Mullen came into the NRL in 2005. Danny Buderus was the last representative-level dummy half from the region, more than 20 years ago. The system is broken.

Whoever the next coach of the Knights is, they’re facing a huge challenge, and it will probably be years before they can challenge for premierships. And if Ponga leaves, it will just amplify the pressure on Brown.

Be patient Newcastle fans. I feel for you. We’re in for another rebuild.
 
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Joey should have kept his f**king mouth shut on this one and let it play out. Now we've got a situation where a club legend is in the paper telling our captain to leave, and our captain is on socials saying he's committed to staying.

God he's f**king hopeless sometimes. He's damn lucky he could play football real good.
You've gotta remember, this is the same Joey that once said NSW don't get Origin and then we won the next two series straight.
 

Zoidberg

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Love how the SMH article mentions Thompson, Hastings, Brailey, Elliott and Hetherington leaving and says it’s a bad thing. All overpaid and either not performing consistently or regularly injured.
 

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