OT: shire folk

[God-King Dean]

I must have missed something... what exactly was the point of the article you posted ?

 

[Dave Q]

Ive been looking at the crime stats on the Shire, a lot of crime occurs near or about the railway stations.

Thursday is a bad day for house break ins.

A lot of assaults seem to happen late on Saturday night.

No stats on race, religions etc.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

I must have missed something... what exactly was the point of the article you posted ?

What you don't understand that some cultures go out to nightspots armed? & others don't?
That some cultures go to parks with guns, knives hidden in prams & others go with cricket bats.
You will get it one day you twit. The world isn't as beautiful a place as all you dreamy dogooders make out.

 

[Frenzy.]

Oh well I suppose you've cleared it up somewhat then.

Religionist
Culturist
Racist

No real difference IMO.

Then you are being deliberately obtuse or are perhaps a little bit simple

Put simply for you and others

Religion = beliefs
Culture = lifestyle
Race = lineage

I see a lot of bad people where I work. To use the current example a disproportionate amoount are Lebanese. I don't like these people. People like the Skafs for example (yes they can be named because they have been found guilty).

Doesn't mean I dislike all Lebanese. I also happen to work with several Lebanese nurses. Male and female. All good people. Some Lebanese are also Christian for those who seem to forget the fact. This means, for the dummies, that you can't equate religion to race in this case as it's likely those that don't like the Lebanese are really only talking about the Muslim arm of that nationality.

The ones I don't like love to make racist accusations. It's in the nature of the beast but nothing about my dislike is racist. I just don't like merkins.

From the perhaps limited nature of my work I form opinions and perceptions based on what I see. Like everyone else. I'll repeat a word. Disproportionate. There are more of certain nationalities in prisons than there are of others. Take it from there.

reefy is passionate about the Cronulla thing because he has deep roots there and I understand it. He's not a racist though. Anyone who knows him will attest to it.

Maybe the line is too fine for you to grasp Inf?

 

[Dave Q]

I dont think you can say "all muslims are bad" or anything like that.

I know a devout muslim who does the same job as Frenzy. Hes a good bloke, nice family.

Likes the overtime.

Of course street and nightclub violence isnt the answer.

Eventually many of them...end up as "guests" of Frenzy's and my mate's.

And possibly get raped.

Skaf is a bad man, bad for what he did, not because he is a lebanese and not because he is a muslim.

 

[azzah72]

Then you are being deliberately obtuse or are perhaps a little bit simple

Put simply for you and others

Religion = beliefs
Culture = lifestyle
Race = lineage

I see a lot of bad people where I work. To use the current example a disproportionate amoount are Lebanese. I don't like these people. People like the Skafs for example (yes they can be named because they have been found guilty).

Doesn't mean I dislike all Lebanese. I also happen to work with several Lebanese nurses. Male and female. All good people. Some Lebanese are also Christian for those who seem to forget the fact. This means, for the dummies, that you can't equate religion to race in this case as it's likely those that don't like the Lebanese are really only talking about the Muslim arm of that nationality.

The ones I don't like love to make racist accusations. It's in the nature of the beast but nothing about my dislike is racist. I just don't like merkins.

From the perhaps limited nature of my work I form opinions and perceptions based on what I see. Like everyone else. I'll repeat a word. Disproportionate. There are more of certain nationalities in prisons than there are of others. Take it from there.

reefy is passionate about the Cronulla thing because he has deep roots there and I understand it. He's not a racist though. Anyone who knows him will attest to it.

Maybe the line is too fine for you to grasp Inf?

Thats all fair enough and i am the same with others aswell.

My only issue i have with Reefy's comments (other than blowing the while thing out of proportion) is the overly negative attitude as a generalization, many of his post make him out to be a neo-nazi skinhead, you can't hate all because of some of the idiots, i was here for the whole saga, the lead up and the riot, i got the text messages and everything. None of it beforehand was THAT bad, just a bunch of rude punks and then a couple of particular idiots. If you say he isn't racist, well then maybe he isn't but he sure as hell sounds it.

And you can get into technicallities of wether hating lebanese is racist or not because they're caucasoid, i think it is fair to say that alot of the general public aren't aware of that so to them they ARE a different race and therefor racist, even if it isn't by a technicality.

TBH i was more pissed at what Quint and cityshark had to say, that was just out there.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

He is a low life merkin from a merkin of a family, who probably hung around in a merkin of a group & the lot probably spent Saturdays at gunnamatta park.

 

[Frenzy.]

I dont think you can say "all muslims are bad" or anything like that.

I know a devout muslim who does the same job as Frenzy. Hes a good bloke, nice family.

Likes the overtime.

Of course street and nightclub violence isnt the answer.

Eventually many of them...end up as "guests" of Frenzy's and my mate's.

And possibly get raped.

Skaf is a bad man, bad for what he did, not because he is a lebanese and not because he is a muslim.

100% correct and not liking him or his ilk is not racist. I'll coin a new one here, It's deedist. He, and many like him, from different backgrounds I might add, are disliked for their deeds.

The race card is played inappropriately far too much. As BS said earlier, it's all too easy to call the race card whenever you need to try and win a losing battle.

 

[Frenzy.]

Thats all fair enough and i am the same with others aswell.

My only issue i have with Reefy's comments (other than blowing the while thing out of proportion) is the overly negative attitude as a generalization, many of his post make him out to be a neo-nazi skinhead, you can't hate all because of some of the idiots, i was here for the whole saga, the lead up and the riot, i got the text messages and everything. None of it beforehand was THAT bad, just a bunch of rude punks and then a couple of particular idiots. If you say he isn't racist, well then maybe he isn't but he sure as hell sounds it.

And you can get into technicallities of wether hating lebanese is racist or not because they're caucasoid, i think it is fair to say that alot of the general public aren't aware of that so to them they ARE a different race and therefor racist, even if it isn't by a technicality.

TBH i was more pissed at what Quint and cityshark had to say, that was just out there.

The same general public that make uninformed opinions about say.................Greg Bird.

I think it's fair to say that "a lot of the general public" are merely Lemmings in the game of life. Couldn't think for themselves to get out of the way of an oncoming locomotive. They'd need some peer group to tell them what to do.

 

[gunnamatta bay]

I see this has spilled over into 4c.

 

[Dave Q]

100% correct and not liking him or his ilk is not racist. I'll coin a new one here, It's deedist. He, and many like him, from different backgrounds I might add, are disliked for their deeds.

The race card is played inappropriately far too much. As BS said earlier, it's all too easy to call the race card whenever you need to try and win a losing battle.

Thats it.

I dont think Reefy's heroes would have struck out if the visitors had been kinder about their conduct.

Maybe the sheer force of numbers was also the problem, which is a bit more difficult, unless you put up parking meters for 5 km radius at $10 an hour and limit the trainage (locals excluded) and get a few parking officers patrolling the area.

Of course, residents and their family guests would be disadvantaged in some ways.

Ive had the honour of meeting the rescuer of Bill Skaf's victim.

Hes not a golden haired wonder lad to look at, he's no shining knight with a badge. He isnt a big or strong guy. He didnt look threatening. He didnt have a holier than thou attitude or push a law enforcement agenda. He is not a vigilante or anything like that.

In fact a professionally trained corrective services officer could probably do him over with one hand ( if the govt doesnt get rid of them all first).

Forget all that TV bullsh*t, real civilian heroes just do the job and try to get on with their lives.... along with the attendant media and court crap.

"Deedist" yeah Im a deedist.

 

[The Dodger]

you can all say what you want to try and justify what happened that day, but it doesnt change what happened.

there were neo nazis there.

there were political parties promoting white australia, handing out pamphlets.

there was an ex sharks player psyching up the crowd telling everyone that "lebanese arent welcome here anymore"

there were people walking around with pharses on them such as "no lebanese" or "we grew here, you flew here"

there were groups bashing people that looked lebenese.

even a couple of indians or (or they were from sri lanka or pakistan or somewhere, i cant remember) had there car smashed in and jumped on when they drove through.

two men got assaulted in a train by hundreds of these morons.

one guy got assaulted by hundreds in front of cameras and was even attacked after police got involved.

ambulances had all sorts of shiit thrown at them when they tried to take these people that got assaulted away.

one guy that looked like an ethnic who tried to kiss an australian flag in front of these farkwits copped a bottle to the head and was knocked out unconsious.

women got assaulted.

all because a group of guys assaulted a life saver.

AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE GUYS THAT ASSAULTED THIS LIFE SAVER WERENT EVEN LEBANESE OR MUSLIM, THEY WERE ARMENIAN!




farkn donkeys....




even after that, i remember going to the big day out and there were guys wearing the australian flag around there necks, others were making people kiss the flag, also not allowing certain other people (ethnics) to kiss it.

the promoters even got involved and banned the australian flag from being taken there the year after.

to this day, there are kids riding there bikes, wearing the australian flags around there necks in suburban streets.

and you can sit there and say that there is nothing wrong with that but you know why they are doing it.

this was never done before the riots.


so to sit here and justify what happened that day, is stupid.
makes you all look like idiots.






you all think that you are being targeted by these groups?

do you think they just woke up one day and decided to do this?

ethnics have been degraded for decades in this country.
they have been abused, assaulted and simply not wanted.


im not sitting here having a whinge about how i got treated for being a Mediterranean Descendant growing up in this country.

i dealt with it.
i even forgave alot of people that did this to me, simply because they didnt know any better.

but to sit here and think that you own this country and that you think you have the right to create lynch mobs and assault certain groups is just wrong.

to sit here and think that you own certain parts of this country and to choose who you want to go there and who you dont want to go there is wrong.

you can say what you want, you can sit there and say there was never anything wrong before this, its probably because you were all so oblivious to it all.

but i remeber growing up hanging out at cronulla and other predominatly white english australian areas.

i got spat on.
i got abused.
i got tortured by racist scum.



so before you get on your high horse and make it out as if you are the victim, think about what has happened in the past and how this issue arrised in the first place.



and please, for the love of god please, dont think that day has made anything better.


it hasnt.
its made things worse.

 

[The Dodger]

btw, i understand you all think i am blowing this out of proportion, but if you experienced what i have, you would too.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

who said it was about lebanese? I never mentioned lebanese.
I hate the non rate paying dirty filthy violent, intimidating, ill mannered pigs that invaded my rate paying Grandmothers area everyweekend leaving her unable to enoy the ammenity she paid for.

By the way, from the point of view of a rate payer of the area(yeah the silly merkins that pay rates so these low life scum to come into the area & trash it)the place is infinitely better.
it was harsh medicine & I wasn't a fan of the army, but it worked.

 

[Inferno]

Then you are being deliberately obtuse or are perhaps a little bit simple

Put simply for you and others

Religion = beliefs
Culture = lifestyle
Race = lineage

Clearly they are technically different, the point I was trying to make is that substantively I don't see the difference in not liking someone or a group of people based on religion, culture or race alone.

For example, I don't think it's any less offensive, to hate all Muslims/Christians/Jews, than it is to hate all Asians.

Do you think it's less offensive purely because they are not a race?

I'd agree though the race card does get thrown around a lot, I know people who cry racism for as such minor infractions like cutting them off or shooting them a dirty look.

The ones I don't like love to make racist accusations. It's in the nature of the beast but nothing about my dislike is racist. I just don't like merkins.

I suppose that would make you a carntist then;-)

 

[azzah72]

who said it was about lebanese? I never mentioned lebanese.
I hate the non rate paying dirty filthy violent, intimidating, ill mannered pigs that invaded my rate paying Grandmothers area everyweekend leaving her unable to enoy the ammenity she paid for.

By the way, from the point of view of a rate payer of the area(yeah the silly merkins that pay rates so these low life scum to come into the area & trash it)the place is infinitely better.
it was harsh medicine & I wasn't a fan of the army, but it worked.

Yet you call them heroes....

Your a nutter...

 

[blacktip-reefy]

In a world out of balance & scared to act upon anything , they are heroes to some.
What would you have done to fix my grandmothers problem? Had a meeting with them? A nice little muslim prayer session in my Grans driveway? Do gooder soft cox acheived nothing & never will. They sit around with their tissues having a cry about the planet, racism, famine & everything that upsets their little minds of inaction.
My grandmothers rates which add up to over $100k have to keep those parks clean for those filthy merkins. & also to clean up after them.
They are not there anymore. & they wont come back. problem fixed!!!
do you get it yet?

 

[azzah72]

In a world out of balance & scared to act upon anything , they are heroes to some.
What would you have done to fix my grandmothers problem? Had a meeting with them? A nice little muslim prayer session in my Grans driveway? Do gooder soft cox acheived nothing & never will. They sit around with their tissues having a cry about the planet, racism, famine & everything that upsets their little minds of inaction.
My grandmothers rates which add up to over $100k have to keep those parks clean for those filthy merkins. & also to clean up after them.
They are not there anymore. & they wont come back. problem fixed!!!
do you get it yet?

I have "gotten" what you are saying the whole time, i personally think you have blown the whole thing out of the water with your heartfelt story about your "poor nanna", like i said i know a lot of the aged community in the area and they definitely didn't have the same concerns, but I've already mentioned this, i think you use that story as a dissimulation of your actual beliefs. And i have said that aswell.

Let me ask, were you there that day, "rioting" with the rest?

I ask because it's funny, when spoken about the rioters, alot of shire folk say stuff like "well it was only a small percentage that actualy were form the shire, most were westies", but now it was the non-softcox of the shire who "stood-up" for things such as your nan's story for the good of the area and they are heroes!!

You seriously dribble alot reef, you do, so what you are saying is that all the people that traveled form all over sydney for the riot are the heroes, these were people from places like busby, liverpool and campbelltown way and probably up penrith ways as well (according to most shire folk, i think it was even mention early in this thread) who came to the area because they got a text message saying "bash a lebanese day" and gathered their mates and went down there for that reason. These are some of the same areas where constant shootings and glassings and sh*t are currently happening, the same places you put and article up about saying your glad this sh*t doesn't heppen here? Oh but it does!! I've mentioned this, one of our own footballers in going to court for alledgedly doing it!! And don't be naive thinking it is all ethnics because it isn't.

Yes it was a retaliation that day because of a couple of idots but it wasn't for the reasons your saying and it sure as hell wasn't heroic, It was for a text message saying "bash-a-lebanese" day! If that isn't a racist act i don't know what is.

Anyway, I am over this discussion, i think there are some deep brewing issues you have there, You have changed your views and reasons for your comments a few times throughout this thread but all of them come across as bigotry.

And it is a nasty thing. The whole riot was weak, the events before were weak, everything and everyone involved was weak as piss and so are people that thought it was the saving grace of the shire, weak as piss, and the area has gotten worse since then because now all the hicks think they are king sh*t who own the joint, cause more trouble than and ethnics ever did.

But i don't want to repeat myself anymore. You want my thoughts, re-read my posts.

I'm out.

 

[The Dodger]

well said azzah72

his nanna's story is just an excuse for him to say what he wants to who he wants.

also, the fact that this dropkick keeps mentioning how him and his family have been affected for 40-50 years.

lol

to me that shows that you and your family have alwasy been racist farks that never welcomed any foreigner into this country, since day 1.

your probably one of the red necks that used to abuse me and my family when growing up in this area.

for that, i feel sorry for you reefy.
you and your nanna.


oh and another thing, 100k for rates?
what sort of rates does your nanna pay?
and how often does she pay this amount?

lol

troubled little soul...

 

[blacktip-reefy]

well said azzah72

his nanna's story is just an excuse for him to say what he wants to who he wants.

also, the fact that this dropkick keeps mentioning how him and his family have been affected for 40-50 years.

Yes, me & my extended family which includes my italian brother in law, Spanish Cousin & Greek wife.My Aboriginal girlfriend of 8 years many years ago, thought it was disgusting too.. My wifes family have lived in the Shire for years & had to put up with shyte the cyprians & macedonians brought in to the area.
But I guess thats all irrelevant when you are standing in your goody goody 2 shoes of inaction & playing the race card for an easy blind side shot.

lol

to me that shows that you and your family have alwasy been racist farks that never welcomed any foreigner into this country, since day 1.

your probably one of the red necks that used to abuse me and my family when growing up in this area.

Yep I'm a racist alright. I hate some races so much I went & leant their language so I can call them merkins in their own language & just not English. Ofcourse that meant living in their countries for a few years , to get the nuances & meanings down pat. Imagine how hard it was trying to find a language that had a direct translation for "caaarrnnntts"

for that, i feel sorry for you reefy.
you and your nanna.

Dont feel sorry for us. We going ok. A bit of a transition phase looking at the empty park each week, but getting used to them being gone.

oh and another thing, 100k for rates?
what sort of rates does your nanna pay?
and how often does she pay this amount?

Thanks for bringing that up. I probably should should readjust that upwards to about 150-200k. As my Gran has owned over 30 properties & blocks of units in the Shire over the last 50 years, the total would be much higher than that.
She pays yearly now for her 2 properties left & I would assume with the size of the land & location it is upwards of 5 grand a year.(Dont mention the 10k land tax each year to her, she hates that more than muslims)