Hayne stars as Eels beat Raiders

[hineyrulz]

Being a Tigers fan you'd think Ladmate would know all about Hayne and intercepts ;-)

 

[scottyeel]

yep it was a fluke just like the other dozen tries he scored off intercepts since his fg debut...:roll:

Don't forget his 2 intercept tries against the tigers at ANZ. Hodgson kept trying to pass across him.:lol::lol:
Anyone remember was that 06 or 07?

 

[mickdo]

:lol: :lol: Tiger loser

 

[ParraAds]

Im a tigers fan but love the eels but you have got to be kidding me about Hayne. Any 5/8 in the comp would have thrown that pass. BIG DEAL. Any one could have intercepted that ball, IT WENT STRAIGHT TO HIM. He showed us he isn't fast at all, Herbert and 3 others caught up to him.

Don't get me wrong, I want Hayne to succed but he just isn't a 5/8.

Everyone knows that carrying the ball decreases a players speed.

Arms are used to generate velocity when running.

Oh and, they didn't catch him...he scored ;-)

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

I'll say it again - he's supposed to be a running five-eighth.

That doesn't mean intercepts, it means taking the ball from a movement and cutting through. It means challenging the line when in possession and beating defenders.

Hayne does not do this. He simply does his pissy little dance that fools no one and slumps into defenders like a marshmallow.

Now, as I've already said - he did some nice things on Saturday but apart from his one pass (from three games!) they were not five-eighth things.

In no way has Hayne shown that he is any kind of five-eighth - five-eighth, people! Not a winger, or a centre, or a fullback, or a second-rower....a five-eighth.

I bagged him to begin with because he wasn't passing or kicking in general play. Everyone said I was wrong because he is supposedly a running five-eighth. Unfortunately for you lot, he showed on Saturday that he is about as much of a running five-eighth as Fui Fui.

No line brakes, ineffectual dance, submitting like a softie in tackles...he is not a running five-eighth and one pass in three games does not make him a ball playing five-eighth either.

As such, he is nothing.

His defence means jack. Stick him in the second row if we want him to defend. Lock maybe. (But I guess then he'd have to learn how to run hard, wouldn't he?)

Please, someone justify how he is a five-eighth. A running or ball playing five-eighth will do, either one.

No one can, because all he has is one pass in three games, zero line breaks when we have possession, a silly dance and constant submission in tackles.

Anyone?

(Psssst - remember.....five-eighth)

 

[Phillips]

Im a tigers fan but love the eels but you have got to be kidding me about Hayne. Any 5/8 in the comp would have thrown that pass. BIG DEAL. Any one could have intercepted that ball, IT WENT STRAIGHT TO HIM. He showed us he isn't fast at all, Herbert and 3 others caught up to him.

Don't get me wrong, I want Hayne to succed but he just isn't a 5/8.

it would have been embarrasing if Herbert had caught him.

 

[Jake the snake]

I'll say it again - he's supposed to be a running five-eighth.

That doesn't mean intercepts, it means taking the ball from a movement and cutting through. It means challenging the line when in possession and beating defenders.

Hayne does not do this. He simply does his pissy little dance that fools no one and slumps into defenders like a marshmallow.

Now, as I've already said - he did some nice things on Saturday but apart from his one pass (from three games!) they were not five-eighth things.

In no way has Hayne shown that he is any kind of five-eighth - five-eighth, people! Not a winger, or a centre, or a fullback, or a second-rower....a five-eighth.

I bagged him to begin with because he wasn't passing or kicking in general play. Everyone said I was wrong because he is supposedly a running five-eighth. Unfortunately for you lot, he showed on Saturday that he is about as much of a running five-eighth as Fui Fui.

No line brakes, ineffectual dance, submitting like a softie in tackles...he is not a running five-eighth and one pass in three games does not make him a ball playing five-eighth either.

As such, he is nothing.

His defence means jack. Stick him in the second row if we want him to defend. Lock maybe. (But I guess then he'd have to learn how to run hard, wouldn't he?)

Please, someone justify how he is a five-eighth. A running or ball playing five-eighth will do, either one.

No one can, because all he has is one pass in three games, zero line breaks when we have possession, a silly dance and constant submission in tackles.

Anyone?

(Psssst - remember.....five-eighth)

If I remember correctly you were attacking Hayne on a personal level on other threads. I think you have very good arguement about Hayne and the five eigth posy. But your hatred for him and what you said about him on previous threads makes everyone think you have some personal agenda against him.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

A personal level?

Possibly because he struts around and shaves his stupid eyebrow, but that actually ties into the whole football thing. You see, it fits with the ", I don't want to be a winger" and ", I don't want to be a five-eighth" (after one performance this year) Gen Y crappy attitude. This whole attitude fits with the whole inability to shut one's mouth and just do one's damned job, and this is very important in a football team. I mean, look at Mateo and how he's totally changed his play this year because he was told to for the team. No crying, no whinging, just the team.

My points regarding five-eighth are perfectly valid. He can come in from the wing to out up bombs. He can take intercepts from the wing. As a five-eighth, however, you need to either take on the defence and win or play ball with your three-quaters and you need to do it several times during a game, not once every three games.

If Hayne can throw those balls then he should do it more often instead of doing the ineffectual little dance he does 99% of the time. If he fails when doing it, so be it, at least he will learn and grow into the position (as everyone incorrectly claims he is doing).

 

[forward pass]

He will still do his little jig if he is playing on the wing HJ. And he will still shave his eyebrow if he is playing on the wing. What the hell that has to do with anything I don't know. And how do you suppose we will find a player who is not Gen Y to take his spot?

I think everyones problem is they are getting all hung up on this 'five-eighth' thing. Five-eighths in Rugby League are dead. It is a non-existant position. Benji Marshall even admitted that on Sunday. It is just a position to put in an extra player as runner these days. What does it matter what it is called? Call him a backline runner if it makes you all feel better.

 

[The Colonel]

Actually 5/8's are still around FP..... only have to look down Melbourne way and across the Spit to Manly. They have changed the players that they were successful with ion the past two seasons to push them back out into the backline. Cam Smith and Bailey at Manly are not typical 5/8's but they will become the focal point allowing the runners in Inglis and Lyon to move wider again.

 

[forward pass]

Actually 5/8's are still around FP..... only have to look down Melbourne way and across the Spit to Manly. They have changed the players that they were successful with ion the past two seasons to push them back out into the backline. Cam Smith and Bailey at Manly are not typical 5/8's but they will become the focal point allowing the runners in Inglis and Lyon to move wider again.

The role they play is very different to the one they used to. Their are some traditional ones left ie Braith Anasta but they aren't necessarily playmakers like they used to be.

 

[SDM]

He simply does his pissy little dance that fools no one and slumps into defenders like a marshmallow.,

No line brakes,

Make up your mind jerkoff, does he brake before the line or not?

 

[The Colonel]

The role they play is very different to the one they used to. Their are some traditional ones left ie Braith Anasta but they aren't necessarily playmakers like they used to be.

Depends on the team to be honest and who their dominant playmaker is.

Barrett, Anasta, Lockyer, Joel Moon, Campese and Sutton would all be the dominant playmakers in their current clubs. Some also have the luxury of a decent halfback inside them.

Thurston, Kimmorley, Orford, Cronk/Smith, Prince and to a lesser extent Dureau/Mullen and Marshall can play reasonably successfully with a running player inside them.

Penrith, up until last night, Dragons and us all struggle in our halves and look to individual plays more often than not.

I just don't think we can carry Hayne at 5/8 when we have no dominant playmaker in the side and everything he is being lauded for doing so well he is capable of doing from wing, centre or fullback.

 

[Eelementary]

I rate Kris Keating as a "traditional" 5/8 - good vision, running game, passing and kicking.

 

[The Engineers Room]

Hayne was awful. Just shows that if you do one good thing the media coverage will show that. The whole team was very flat and there is no attack in this side.

 

[eeelectroshooting?]

A personal level?

Possibly because he struts around and shaves his stupid eyebrow, but that actually ties into the whole football thing. You see, it fits with the ", I don't want to be a winger" and ", I don't want to be a five-eighth" (after one performance this year) Gen Y crappy attitude. This whole attitude fits with the whole inability to shut one's mouth and just do one's damned job, and this is very important in a football team. I mean, look at Mateo and how he's totally changed his play this year because he was told to for the team. No crying, no whinging, just the team.

My points regarding five-eighth are perfectly valid. He can come in from the wing to out up bombs. He can take intercepts from the wing. As a five-eighth, however, you need to either take on the defence and win or play ball with your three-quaters and you need to do it several times during a game, not once every three games.

If Hayne can throw those balls then he should do it more often instead of doing the ineffectual little dance he does 99% of the time. If he fails when doing it, so be it, at least he will learn and grow into the position (as everyone incorrectly claims he is doing).

Maybe if the media went to Mateo we might hear his opinion on the matter, which may involve some whinging (speculation).

Its not Hayne who calls the papers, they come to him. Perhaps the club should look at some media training for him, teach him how to better present his views, opinions or feelings to a public audience. Or better yet, tell him to say no comment every now and then. Remember, he is still only young.

Like you've never said the wrong thing at 19/20?

 

[Twizzle]

The role they play is very different to the one they used to. Their are some traditional ones left ie Braith Anasta but they aren't necessarily playmakers like they used to be.

you could go back to the 80s and see guys like Kenny playing as 5/8.

He wasn't a ball player, more like a centre playing at 5/8, but he was originally a centre anyway. So what Anderson is doing is not really all that new.

One thing though, Bert had one of the best half backs ever playing inside him so we didn't really need him to be a ball player.

Hayne however, has Finch at half back.

 

[The Colonel]

Only have to look at Wally Lewis..... he was a lock playing 5/8. Daley and Fittler were converted centres, Lockyer is a converted fullback. Even Bob Fulton started life in the centres....

 

[forward pass]

Only have to look at Wally Lewis..... he was a lock playing 5/8. Daley and Fittler were converted centres, Lockyer is a converted fullback. Even Bob Fulton started life in the centres....

..and that is exactly my point. Apart from Wally, the others were brought in closer to get their hands on the ball more due to them being wasted talents on the edges. But quite a few people on here seem to think he should be creating tries every set of six. Absolute rubbish.

I think the role he is playing is ideal for us at the moment. Sooner or later he will have a blinder. Granted, a better halfback would help, but Finch is all we have and he will get better (I hope).

 

[The Colonel]

..and that is exactly my point. Apart from Wally, the others were brought in closer to get their hands on the ball more due to them being wasted talents on the edges. But quite a few people on here seem to think he should be creating tries every set of six. Absolute rubbish.

I think the role he is playing is ideal for us at the moment. Sooner or later he will have a blinder. Granted, a better halfback would help, but Finch is all we have and he will get better (I hope).

What role exactly do you think he is playing? Because really he doesn't seem to be playing any clearly defined role at present other than being a running player.....