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Storm targets Kelly, Sharks after Brod

yy_cheng

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Seems like Kelly will be another hard to Control type and end up like the likes of Tim Smith.
 

The Engineers Room

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On Kelly - He has a long way to go to be ready and get a shot at first grade. He seems to do some brilliant things but also goes long periods in a game where he won't touch the ball.
 

strider

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Just going off the post was made that says we were quite accomodating about it.
hmmmm, I don't know about accomodating - maybe just doing what was necessary to try and keep the kid on the right track .... maybe living at the block is all he would do and that had to be understood and we tried to work with it??? I dunno, I'm just speculating

its a shame if a kid feels he HAS to live at the block tho .... but maybe I just don't understand stuff
 

El Diablo

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Melbourne have been throwng money at eery top junior for years. they contribute nothing to the game and never will
 

Rogue.9

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I have only seen Kelly play a few times this year & he seems to go missing in games. He seemed to only occassionaly appear on a 5th tackle to kick the ball before going missing again. I would be more concerned with keeping Mortimer, he gets invloved & has a decent kicking game.
 

Jodeci

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I hope DA doesn't fall for the ransom note from players managers, we need to start standing our ground from these parasites.

if it was Hagan, both would be offered 300K each to stay, we've really got to cut that sh*t out.

Totally Agree
 

Fathead

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I think it was his grandfather and quite frankly, i'm getting rather sick to death of reading or hearing how this kis is targeted by several clubs, just cut the kid loose already and get on with life.

I agree totally We must not be held to ransom by these managers. Kelly and Brod are good players but there are also good players waiting in the wings for a chance and at a fraction of the price.

Our mantra from now on should be ... We would love to keep you but if you dont want to play with us on sensible money ... good luck with your new club.
 

Delboy

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when you look at the Sharks with Zap and Joe there, I guess that is a danger when they have knowledge of likely contract situation and similar, that they can get to the likes of John Mannah, Luke Latham and now targetting a few more.

They are another club with an elastic salary cap, or maybe under Zap are more professional in using it, I think he was a big loss when negotiations are taken into account.
 

hindmarsh4pm

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Yeah, not sure what all the hype is over kelly, have not seen him do anything outstanding, and from what i have seen him do i would much rather prefer to keep mortimer and keating. Just my view
 

Fathead

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I have known albert for 3-4 years now and he doesn't strike me as the most loyal kid.

I was having a conversation with him 2 years ago and we were talking about his contract situation with parra. At the time he was still contracted for another couple of years and then his exact words were "then it's time for albey to get paid". I then asked if this would be with parra and he said "nah whoever pays me the most".

Albert was placed with a family when moving from kempsey and he was enrolled at Patrician Brothers Blacktown. His attendance was quite poor and despite this Parra continued to let him play. He even left the family who were putting him up and went to stay in "the block" in redfern and Kevin Wise would go and pick him up for school, get him to Parra training and then drop him off back in redfern.This kid is a prime example of what is wrong with this club and why there was friction between Hindmarsh and the younger brigade last year. Our gun juniors are allowed to strut around like superstars and are paid as such and as a result our salary cap management is the worst in the NRL.


People like Kevin Wise and Ben Rogers are too focused on winning junior rep titles rather than developing first graders. Quite often our Junior Rep squads are talked up as if they will produce many future first graders only to produce nothing. I believe the reason for this is because these squads have 2-3 standouts that carry the rest of the squad to good results and as a result the club loses focus on developing all the players in all their squads. Anyone who has seen this years Harold Matt's would know that Jacob Gagan is miles ahead of everyone else and without him, we are left with a side that would finish 4th-6th and yet some of these guys will still be signed to contracts well beyond their abilities.

Now we are being told a good portion of the money that Finch was on is going to be used to re-sign 2 teenagers who can be easily replaced. This is the same thing we have done for a few seasons now and the results show. We were one game away from the grand final in 2007 and we then let Timana Tahu and P.J Marsh go without bringing in replacements.

Look at what the bulldogs have done in 1 off season. They let go of a bunch of players with crap attitudes, kept some very good juniors and went and signed the likes of Kimmorley, Hannant, Ennis, Morris, Stagg, Eastwood etc.

Dont know Wise and Rogers so cant comment on them personally but other than that - excellent post !!!
 

Bazal

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Kelly has a very long way to go before he's a first grader, especially with David Fairleigh as a coach. If he wants more than minimum wage, piss him off IMO. We can't afford to pay a teenager with a few years of learning left more than that (and personally I wouldn't even have him in the top 25 next year).

Wright is a tougher decision IMO...I reckon he's worth 70-80k, he's shown he's got what it takes to be at the very least a reliable first grade forward and we're very short on those for the coming years. But again, if he wants significantly more than that, then we'll have to let him go.

Personally, I think Kelly will go, and Brod will stay
 

Gronk

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when you look at the Sharks with Zap and Joe there, I guess that is a danger when they have knowledge of likely contract situation and similar, that they can get to the likes of John Mannah, Luke Latham and now targetting a few more.

They are another club with an elastic salary cap, or maybe under Zap are more professional in using it, I think he was a big loss when negotiations are taken into account.

The grass isn't always greener..

Sharks paid massive overs for some kid that came to nothing. They'll be licking their wounds from that one for some time.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21703170-23214,00.html
 
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based on what has been said here Kelly won't be such a great loss.
If he wants more than $50,000 then let him go, he has to prove himself before getting paid the big dollars to sooner these young blokes and thier managers learn this the better.
 

yy_cheng

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Can anyone list out the juniors that we have let go. i.e. juniors were not steady 1st graders before leaving and how they are going? And recently.

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David Williams
Zeb Taia
Willie Tonga (debatable)

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Tony Williams
John Williams
Brett Andersen
James Maloney
Trent Hodgkinson
Jack Afamasaga
Blake Green
John Mannah
Blake Green
 
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