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United: Europe's Spurs

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United: Europe's Spurs

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Sighs of relief all round at Old Trafford, then. For a minute it looked like Manchester United might not be able to field a full team next season, and would have to recruit some 13-year-old ringers from the local park.
But now they have splashed £16 million on Antonio Valencia (pictured). Who cares whether he is the right player? He's a player. And given the summer they have had so far, United will be grateful to get anybody on board.
It is the kind of signing that must make Arsene Wenger pound his fists in that ineffective way of his. The Arsenal boss and his scouts comb the world for emerging talents in the hope of landing a bargain. United just wait until a player is good, then they buy him.
A couple of years ago, Wigan signed Valencia for a fraction of the price they received from United. But having just had £80m dumped into their bank account in exchange for Cristiano Ronaldo, does it really matter if United overpay by £10m or so?

He might lack Franck Ribery's X-factor, but Valencia is quick, skilful and young, and Fergie knows he can do the business in the Premier League.
It is roughly the same price United paid for Serbian duo Zoran Tosic and Adem Ljajic, and less than they paid for Nani.
So a winger with a proven record of success in the Premier League seems like no bad thing - but then you have to be a certain kind of club to compensate for £32m of shaky spending by splashing out another £16m.
United are the big fish of the Premier League, snapping up Valencias, Carricks and Berbatovs from their smaller rivals.
But English football's great white shark encounters a blue whale of a club when it comes to dealings in Europe.
Real Madrid have already sucked Ronaldo from their clutches like just another piece of plankton, and are now busy hoovering up all United's main transfer targets.
Curiously, English 'giants' struggle to sign players who have already established themselves as world-class. Is it the weather? Is it the prospect of getting kicked by Joey Barton? Or is it that top stars hate Richard Keys?
Whatever the reason, United find it difficult to compete for those blue riband players. They are to Real Madrid what Tottenham are to them. And given Tottenham's status as a frequent laughing stock in the transfer market, that's not a good thing for Fergie.
Most of his major signings involve bringing players of obvious quality to a bigger club (Valencia, Wayne Rooney, Ruud van Nistelrooy), or taking expensive punts on talented youngsters who may or may not be the next great thing (Ronaldo, Anderson, Nani).
But it seems that when faced with competition from La Liga's giants, United are unable to land that big catch (yes, broken metaphor alert - the clubs have just morphed from fish into fishermen).
Back in 2003 Ronaldinho snubbed United to join a Barcelona side that had just finished sixth, and this summer Ribery, David Villa and Karim Benzema appeared to go off limits as soon as Real Madrid expressed an interest.
Benzema might yet end up at Old Trafford, but only if Real decide they don't want him. He will be the scrawny trout that Florentino Perez chucks back into the river.
Even though the Premier League is demonstrably the strongest domestic competition in the world, its top clubs still lack the same allure as a transfer destination as Madrid, Barcelona or even Milan.
Still, ED suspects United will survive, especially with the £16m outlay being widely seen as just the starter for 10 of an epic spending binge.
Contrast United's largesse with Burnley, who yesterday splashed out a club record £3m fee to bring in Steven Fletcher from Hibernian.
Although Fletcher's record of one goal per three games in the SPL hardly suggests a world-class talent, he is almost certainly a more significant signing than Valencia.
While Valencia becomes just another component of a 30-man squad - virtually interchangeable with Park Ji-Sung or Nani - Fletcher's performances could very well determine whether or not Burnley survive in the top flight.
If Fletcher fails, Burnley cannot just conjure more money to sign another striker - they are stuck with what they have.
Fletcher might be the most important purchase Burnley ever make. Nobody is going to say that about Valencia and United.
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/football/early-doors/article/179868/
 

shiznit

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:lol: .... the bloke who wrote this article could call us the Newcastle of Europe if he wants... i could care less...

Sir Alex has won every trophy available to us... i know whos judgement i trust.
 

Tommy Smith

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He has a point in the sense that i can't recall the last time one of the established best players in the world made the move to England. For the all the talk of the Premier League's financial clout and being the strongest league in the world the likes of Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo Rivaldo, Nesta, Ronaldinho, Cannvaro, Buffon etc never made the mvoe to England in the early to middle part of this decade.

And now the likes of Kaka, Ribery, Villa, Casillas all seem to shun the idea of a Premier League move. And Ronaldo wanted to move away and i can't ever see Messi leaving Barca.

The EPL is currently the strongest league in the world. But neither of Kaka, Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi or Ribery play there. And the only players in the EPL that can be considered amongst the world's top 10 (Gerrard, Essien, Rooney, Ferdinand, Torres, and Arshavin who i think is friggen awesome) weren't established overseas superstars prior to playing in the EPL.
 

shiznit

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He has a point in the sense that i can't recall the last time one of the established best players in the world made the move to England. For the all the talk of the Premier League's financial clout and being the strongest league in the world the likes of Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo Rivaldo, Nesta, Ronaldinho, Cannvaro, Buffon etc never made the mvoe to England in the early to middle part of this decade.

And now the likes of Kaka, Ribery, Villa, Casillas all seem to shun the idea of a Premier League move. And Ronaldo wanted to move away and i can't ever see Messi leaving Barca.

The EPL is currently the strongest league in the world. But neither of Kaka, Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi or Ribery play there. And the only players in the EPL that can be considered amongst the world's top 10 (Gerrard, Essien, Rooney, Ferdinand, Torres, and Arshavin who i think is friggen awesome) weren't established overseas superstars prior to playing in the EPL.

I dont think its because they see Man Utd as unattractive... its more because we wont spend 130million pounds on 2 players.

If Utd offered 100million dollars to Barca for Messi... im confident he would go...

but the max i could see SAF spend is 40million... and that player would have to be really needed and bloody special.
 
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WireMan

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We have won 3 league titles in a row, and made the last two champs league finals..

I think our transfer poilicy is doing alright.
 

swing_low

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Now that Benzema has signed for Real, Utd really needa look for someone who can score the goals that cronaldo is no longer able to provide. Or they can rely on Berbatov...
 

WireMan

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Now that Benzema has signed for Real, Utd really needa look for someone who can score the goals that cronaldo is no longer able to provide. Or they can rely on Berbatov...

Thats what was said when we sold Ruud. We picked up a winger from Portugal to do it.

Berbatov will play higher up the pitch, Rooney won't play wide and add more of a threat. Our midfield are gonna have to score a few.

no worries. :)
 

aqua_duck

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lol what a waste of money Tosic is better than him anyway
Valencia is a specialist right winger, Tosic a specialist left winger.

Just on the article, does anyone sign huge names in their prime anymore besides Madrid?
Barca spent abit on Henry but was past his best, and Ronaldinho was hardly a superstar when we signed him, he was playing for a mid table ligue 1 team.
Milan signed Ronaldinho last year but Guardiola didn't want him and he was fat.

So really does any team in the world spend money likes its going out of fashion like Real does?
 

swing_low

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Valencia is a specialist right winger, Tosic a specialist left winger.

Just on the article, does anyone sign huge names in their prime anymore besides Madrid?
Barca spent abit on Henry but was past his best, and Ronaldinho was hardly a superstar when we signed him, he was playing for a mid table ligue 1 team.
Milan signed Ronaldinho last year but Guardiola didn't want him and he was fat.

So really does any team in the world spend money likes its going out of fashion like Real does?

Abramovich, although they tend to turn sh*t once Chelsea sign them (Ballack, Shev, Deco)

Ah football off season, the season where everyone thinks life is the football manager game
 

aqua_duck

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Abramovich, although they tend to turn sh*t once Chelsea sign them (Ballack, Shev, Deco)

Ah football off season, the season where everyone thinks life is the football manager game
Shev yes, Ballack was a free transfer and Deco was well and truely past it
 
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LOL @ Ronaldinho wasn't a superstar in 2003. Yeah, world cup winning Ronaldinho just happened to be a f**king nobody at the time.
 

aqua_duck

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LOL @ Ronaldinho wasn't a superstar in 2003. Yeah, world cup winning Ronaldinho just happened to be a f**king nobody at the time.
Roque Junior was also a world cup winner does that make him a superstar?
Ronaldinho was a good player but as much of a superstar back then as Robinho is now. His time with PSG was filled with mid table finishes and was criticised by the coach for partying too much.
Maybe my criteria for superstar is different to yours, IMO a superstar is someone playing at the level of Ronaldo or Messi consistently, Ronnie was nowhere near that level in 03 and it was almost a crime to use his name and the word consistency in the same sentence back then
 
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He tore the sh*t out of Ligue 1 for 2 years, established himself as one of Brazil's premier players and played a starring role in their World Cup win - all before he joined Barca. Everybody knew who he was, everybody wanted his signature and it is the one signing Fergie didn't make that pissed him off severely.

He was a star who had his status escalate even further.
 

Ridders

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Speaking of Chelsea, what has happened to them? Been a while since they really splashed the cash.
 
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