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"The players knew nothing" starting to wear thin....

stormbati

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Yup, i vomited a little watching Hoffman. The bit where he said Smith has been an inspiring leader in this crisis - i laughed and vomited at the same time!

The cover-up is well in truly in full swing. Its pretty stunning to watch.

But it wont last for ever. The auditors and other investigators are gunna expose the guilty players, just a matter of time.

Dont hold your breath on this one, on second thoughts, go for it
 
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Dr Rob Moodie head of the Storm has said repeatedly that whilst there are two contracts in certain cases, the players have only signed one. That is why the forensic investigators have been called in. I know this because I live less than 5 mins from Princes Park and was at his press conference. The implied belief is that Waldron forged the signatures on the 2nd contract which was then lodged at the NRL. The belief at the club is that the players were unaware.
if waldron is found guilty of forging player signatures that is serious stuff indeed :shock:
 

thorson1987

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Dr Rob Moodie head of the Storm has said repeatedly that whilst there are two contracts in certain cases, the players have only signed one. That is why the forensic investigators have been called in. I know this because I live less than 5 mins from Princes Park and was at his press conference. The implied belief is that Waldron forged the signatures on the 2nd contract which was then lodged at the NRL. The belief at the club is that the players were unaware.

If that is the case Wally better hope he dont drop the soap.
 

Rusty

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Wouldn't logic (being a responsible ADULT) suggest you would make sure you knew what you were signing before you signed it? We always hear the term "professional" rugby league players being bandied around, but are they really that "professional" if they have no idea how much money is entering their back account and from which location? I'm sincerely over hearing "the players didn't know" it seems like the media are all pushing the same agenda...it's a mere insult to my intelligence.
 

little_aza

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Wouldn't logic (being a responsible ADULT) suggest you would make sure you knew what you were signing before you signed it? We always hear the term "professional" rugby league players being bandied around, but are they really that "professional" if they have no idea how much money is entering their back account and from which location? I'm sincerely over hearing "the players didn't know" it seems like the media are all pushing the same agenda...it's a mere insult to my intelligence.

No one knows what's gone on yet. For all we know Waldron lied to the players, telling them crazy stories about requiring one contract for Melbourne pay, and another for the legal third party payments. For all we know, the players may not have had any idea on what their colleagues were on.

And honestly, do you really think Inglis is an intellectual giant!?!
 

Doomednow

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They're going to protect the players. Because if they don't they will all piss off to the ARU. I guess we'll have to wait another 5 years for it to be proven won't we...

Exactly. Its almost like the recent "Too big to fail" philosophy the yanks used to prop up big business in the US recently. Well, a bit anyway. These "big 4" players can almost hold the nrl to ransom if they want, because nobody wants to name and shame them for fear of losing them to other codes where bigger paychecks are the norm. Certain players could almost demand they not be identified as cheats if they wanted, though it looks like they won't have to because the NRL has decided that "The players didn't know, end of story". At least for the moment anyway. I'm genuinely interested to see what happens to the Storm stars from here on.

I'm not sure how I feel about it personally. Is it worth losing that talent in the name of game and player integrity? Maybe.
 

Loudstrat

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Yawnion aint made of money any more. They can afford a $1 millioon contract per club - aka Perth Farts and Guteau - but that's it. Otherwise, the ARU would not have vetoed Thurston.

If they have Folau - looks likely - they cannot afford Inglis. Besides, with his $700k plus private shipping fleet, AFL wouldnt look at him for that money - he'd need at least a year with L plates on.

French yawnion apparently are tightening up, and the ESL is less of an option due to pommy immigration laws.

Smkith has the QLD/Test captaincy to lose, and Cronk just aint that good!
 

Mickyd39

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Please feel free to correct me,

I remember seeing an interview with Cameron Smith a few years ago about player agents. I'm sure he said he dosn't have one.

If this is the case he would have been dealing with the Storm himself, so i don't think he can blame his agent for any wrong doings about his contract.

Like i said, i could be wrong.
 

thorson1987

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Please feel free to correct me,

I remember seeing an interview with Cameron Smith a few years ago about player agents. I'm sure he said he dosn't have one.

If this is the case he would have been dealing with the Storm himself, so i don't think he can blame his agent for any wrong doings about his contract.

Like i said, i could be wrong.

He does have one, a few years back he was having a problem or something with his then manager so he changed.
 

Apey

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I'm with Coleman on this one. Players trust their managers, simple as that.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...lary-cap-rorting/story-e6frepbf-1225860303007
Storm players not necessarily in the know about club's salary cap rorting





AND, as the sun sets slowly off the starboard bow of Greg Inglis's boat, a flock of seagulls passes overhead and screams as one: "The players must have known, the players must have known ..."

What I don't get is why people find it so hard to comprehend that a group of seemingly intelligent young men don't know where their income is coming from.
Obviously those people haven't spent much time in football-land.
It works like this: footballers get stuff. All sorts of stuff. It starts out small, but the bigger they get, the more stuff they get.
They get money and cars and boots and golf clubs and shirts and pants and bags and drink vouchers and movie tickets and, as we all know, some get boats.
When the players get really famous - and let's face it, they don't get much more famous than the Big Four at the Melbourne Storm - there is so much stuff coming in from so many different directions, that it is hard to keep track of.


So they don't try.
It's sort of like when pop star Sting sued his former financial adviser Keith Moore back in 1995.
Apparently Moore had helped himself to $10 million of Sting's money over a period of 15 years. When asked in court why it had taken him so long to realise the money was missing, Sting answered along the lines of: "Well, when you've got as much money coming in as I do, who's going to notice a mere $10 million?"
Of course footballers don't make anywhere near as much money as pop stars, but they'd like to - which is why they hire managers.
It is managers who do the deals. The players just sign on the dotted line and put their hands out when the stuff arrives. How it gets there is largely immaterial.
It was very illuminating to read that of all the offers made to Melbourne Storm players by CEO Brian Waldron, only one - Billy Slater - bothered to specify that his deal must adhere to salary cap regulations.
Does that prove that the others knew that their deals didn't comply with the rules?
Not at all. Only that they didn't want to know one way or the other - and can you blame them?
When it comes to "stuff" it's better not to know too much. That way, when you are asked questions, you don't have to tell any lies.
Same with the agents. I've heard many times this week that the agents "must have known what was going on".
How "must" they have known?
By asking Brian Waldron for details of every player's remuneration and then grabbing their calculators and working out the total?
By asking for a written guarantee that all third party contracts would be lodged with the NRL for approval and not shoved into a locked drawer?
Hardly. When it comes to salary cap issues, managers and players do their best Sergeant Schultz impersonations: "I see nussing . . "
I, on the other hand, have seen some sing ... er, things.
I have been at a player's house when a truck blocked the road outside his house and a courier dragged a giant box full of T-shirts, hoodies and shorts up to his front door.
Nothing to do with a sponsor or the salary cap, just a sportswear company hoping the player might get photographed wearing its gear.
I know of a player who rang a building company to get some work done at his house. When the substantial quote arrived the player was told the total would drop to nil if he would allow them to put his picture and an endorsement on their website.
A notoriously publicity shy AFL player agreed to an interview with me, as long as we photographed him on the golf course swinging his new - free - Calloway clubs.
And then there was the time I was at a player's waterfront Sydney apartment when his manager called. A BMW dealer wanted to know if the player would be interested in driving a brand new top-of-the-range model for a year.
To his credit the player did ask one question before accepting the offer.
What's that? Will it comply with the salary cap rules?
Of course not. It was far more important than that.
"What colour?"

Heh, good article that one. Both sides have valid points. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until more comes out though.
 

bartman

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I, on the other hand, have seen some sing ... er, things.
I have been at a player's house when a truck blocked the road outside his house and a courier dragged a giant box full of T-shirts, hoodies and shorts up to his front door.
Nothing to do with a sponsor or the salary cap, just a sportswear company hoping the player might get photographed wearing its gear.
I know of a player who rang a building company to get some work done at his house. When the substantial quote arrived the player was told the total would drop to nil if he would allow them to put his picture and an endorsement on their website.
A notoriously publicity shy AFL player agreed to an interview with me, as long as we photographed him on the golf course swinging his new - free - Calloway clubs.
And then there was the time I was at a player's waterfront Sydney apartment when his manager called. A BMW dealer wanted to know if the player would be interested in driving a brand new top-of-the-range model for a year.
To his credit the player did ask one question before accepting the offer.
What's that? Will it comply with the salary cap rules?
Of course not. It was far more important than that.
"What colour?"
Can Coleman be sure it's nothing to do with the salary cap? I don't think so...

This paragraph is quite illuminating, shows the freebie lifestyles of those who are "crying poor" and suggesting the salary cap and third party rules should be relaxed so they can earn even more money and stuff.

I say get f**ked, stop whinging, you earn and are given enough stuff already. If you don't like it... don't do it.
 

Noa

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I say you get f**ked and stop whingeing.

At least 8 teams have come out and admitted they can afford to pay more including your own club. Only a braindead fool would run a comptetion to protect the worse teams.

In saying that Im all for the NRL providing equalising funding to those teams that cant compete, for at least the next 15 years.
 

God-King Dean

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Yup, i vomited a little watching Hoffman. The bit where he said Smith has been an inspiring leader in this crisis - i laughed and vomited at the same time!

The cover-up is well in truly in full swing. Its pretty stunning to watch.

But it wont last for ever. The auditors and other investigators are gunna expose the guilty players, just a matter of time.

:lol:
 

joseph1

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You melbourne fans are too one-eyed. Theres zero chance that all of the players didnt know. That excuse is just getting credit coz the nrl is so hellbent on keeping a team in melbourne and if they discover the players knew, then half the aussie league team would have to banned from the game
 

Rusty

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Yawnion aint made of money any more. They can afford a $1 millioon contract per club - aka Perth Farts and Guteau - but that's it. Otherwise, the ARU would not have vetoed Thurston.

If they have Folau - looks likely - they cannot afford Inglis. Besides, with his $700k plus private shipping fleet, AFL wouldnt look at him for that money - he'd need at least a year with L plates on.

French yawnion apparently are tightening up, and the ESL is less of an option due to pommy immigration laws.

Smkith has the QLD/Test captaincy to lose, and Cronk just aint that good!

Looks like he's just lost that too...the SMH is reporting that Cameron will be overlooked for the Test for Farah? A bit bizarre when you consider that Gidley's only played 2 games since injury but is considered a certainty....
 

bileduct

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In saying that Im all for the NRL providing equalising funding to those teams that cant compete, for at least the next 15 years.
Of course you are!

Without News Ltd. support the Storm would be dead.
 

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