Video Ref for forward passes?

[Crusher]

Given that more sophisticated hawke eye technology now exists to determine trajectory of a ball within a 4mm margin of error does anyone think this could now be applied to Rugby League for forward passes.

According to Telegraph stats, in 2010 there was an average of 13.6 incidents a week (in all matches for a round) of forward passes not being called correctly. Obviously not all affected a result however many resulted in tries being scored on that or subsequent plays.

All it would take is a chip in the ball and the call from a video referee can be instant if it falls inside the margin of error thus not holding up a game.

.Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

[Dogs Of War]

How would this be setup on every ground, and to cover every inch of the ground? What are the associated costs to do so. It's much easier in Cricket where you have a fixed area to cover.

 

[Timbo]

Cricket and tennis have fixed lines for it to follow and it costs a fortune, it wouldn't work with the way the technology is at this point in league.

 

[BDGS]

My only two thought is don't believe what you rad especially when it comes from the Telegraph, and technology like that should be kept away from Rugby League until its 100% correct and can be used within 2 seconds.

 

[Eels Dude]

Too many variables to make it work efficiently. I can live with ocassional forward passes. I'd rather live with the occasional obvious forward pass not being called, then having forward passes called on average 13.6 times a match.

 

[Timmah]

Chip in the ball wouldn't work. How would it know who's in possession, if it's been kicked etc?

 

[dimitri]

Given that more sophisticated hawke eye technology now exists to determine trajectory of a ball within a 4mm margin of error does anyone think this could now be applied to Rugby League for forward passes.

According to Telegraph stats, in 2010 there was an average of 13.6 incidents a week (in all matches for a round) of forward passes not being called correctly. Obviously not all affected a result however many resulted in tries being scored on that or subsequent plays.

All it would take is a chip in the ball and the call from a video referee can be instant if it falls inside the margin of error thus not holding up a game.

.Anyone have thoughts on this?

I believe video ref should be allowed to rule on a forward pass.

Because they don’t really need to rule on the projectory of the ball – just the hands – and if they were forward/backward and the pass is released

 

[aids]

the video ref can't handle "grounding" rules.
pointless to worry about forward passes.

 

[RL1908]

Should be using video ref for forward passes - when it was removed from video referee decisions, it was when there was no "benefit of the doubt" test.

I'd have no problem if they allowed the video ref to rule a forward pass, but only allow him to overturn the on-field ref when he had unequivocal evidence of a forward pass eg. Parramatta v Manly last season.

We can all live with the 50/50 calls that might be distorted by cameras/angles/2d-view, but when it's an outright clanger the video ref should be able to say so.

 

[Skinner]

My only two thought is don't believe what you rad especially when it comes from the Telegraph, and technology like that should be kept away from Rugby League until its 100% correct and can be used within 2 seconds.

This ^

 

[Quidgybo]

Similar discussion here...

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=374260

Leigh

 

[RufusRex]

if you are travelling in a train travelling at 100km an hour and you jump (slightly backwards) out of the door will you wrap yourself around the next staunchon?

A ball passed backwards often travels forward thanks to relativity.

 

[Quidgybo]

Relativity or the law of conservation of momentum?

Either way, any technology would need to be able to determine the velocity of the ball relative to the ground at the moment of release and know when that moment of release happens. I think it is unlikely any current technology could tell the later without human intervention to mark the frame in the video when release occurs.

Leigh.

 

[siv]

Only way you can use a video ref for thos is to have that tv camera that follows the players down the sideline. And then he needs to be moving at teh same pace as the player

Pretty hard

Hawke-eye type technology could od it. As you need to determine the speed of the person travelling with the ball and compare to the location it is caught - aganst where the person throwing it would have ended up

If they used a hawke eye style process for dummy half passes yopu would see a huge volume of forward passes called

 

[RufusRex]

nope - it is impossible as you can not tell how firmly the ball was passed.

You can tell the speed of the player, you can measure the trajectory of the ball but without knowing the force and angle at which the ball immediately leaves the hands it is impossible to use a "hawkeye" on forward passes.

 

[Perth Tiger]

It would be much cheaper to hire some compentant touch judges instead of the do nothing star gazers we currently have

 

[coolsteve]

It would be much cheaper to hire some compentant touch judges instead of the do nothing star gazers we currently have

yup. And the less video ref`s the better

 

[Dazraider]

It can happen, all you would have to do is mark where the ball was thrown and where the ball was taken .
for example: the ball 1meter from the 20meter line and the player catches it 1.3 meters from the 20meter line.
so say your 5 meters from half way all you do is calculate how far was the ball thrown from that line and how far was it caught from that line

 

[thorson1987]

It can happen, all you would have to do is mark where the ball was thrown and where the ball was taken .
for example: the ball 1meter from the 20meter line and the player catches it 1.3 meters from the 20meter line.
so say your 5 meters from half way all you do is calculate how far was the ball thrown from that line and how far was it caught from that line

You do realise that even though a ball is passed backwards it still travels in a forward direction.

 

[Twizzle]

forward passes are pretty much legal now days, we see it week in week out

if the ball is passed backwards form the hands as they say, its allowed to travel forward, so basically its legal, that is how it has evolved, even to the extent where we see forward passes every week from dummy halves who are stationary and they get away with it

sorry, but what good would a chip do ?

stupid interpretation of a simple rule that is not policed, we may as well be playing NFL