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CC_Roosters

First Grade
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On KOFM Sterlo said that the ground official tried to tell the trainers he could be replaced, so the clubs fault if anybodies. But concussed players should not be allowed anywhere near the pitch, until they are declared free of concussion by NRL medical staff. I think there will be a decision in the short to medium term regarding this IMO as they cannot let this sit.
 

Spanner in the works

First Grade
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The Knight's doctor is a very experienced physician. I'm fairly sure he's been with the club since the beginning. He knew what he was doing. He assessed him, you didn't.

And the very experienced lawyers will have a field day with the very experienced doctor. Blind Freddy could see that Fa'aoso was in no fit state to be on the field.
 

Hooch

Juniors
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Disgraceful decision by the Knights doc, the NRL has to step in. I doubt he'll play next week, but he's right for another 30mins after a severe concussion apparently. This nonsense has been going on for years.

If you play with 12, well thats what you have to do. Better than someone suffering permanent brain injury.

Playing through concussion isnt tough, its fking stupid.
 

RLS

Juniors
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Yep, Fa'aoso was in control of his mental faculties... And his physical capabilities. I mean, they could get him to walk in a straight line and tell us where he was and what was happening couldn't they? What a great decision by the doctor, the coach and the player that was...

Harden up man, you must be one of them sensitive new age guys, I bet you watched the rest of the game with your hands over your eyes.

Better the game run by idiots than pussies.
 

BunniesMan

Immortal
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fmd, the ignorance shown by some people. Playing with a bad leg or shoulder or something is toughness, playing with an injury above the shoulders is plain dangerous. We're talking permanent injury and possibly death.

We should have compulsory benching for any head injuries. Ego should come second to safety.
 

gregstar

Referee
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fmd, the ignorance shown by some people. Playing with a bad leg or shoulder or something is toughness, playing with an injury above the shoulders is plain dangerous. We're talking permanent injury and possibly death.

We should have compulsory benching for any head injuries. Ego should come second to safety.
& here's proof.
 

Spanner in the works

First Grade
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Harden up man, you must be one of them sensitive new age guys, I bet you watched the rest of the game with your hands over your eyes.

Better the game run by idiots than pussies.

Harden up? It's got nothing to do with toughness. Time to use your brain a little. Oh wait. You must be one of those tough ones who stayed on the field... You're a legend.
 

yakstorm

First Grade
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It would help if the clubs knew the rules with interchange. The Knights could have taken Fa'aoso off without it counting as an interchange.

The NRL has today reminded clubs that a genuinely injured player can be replaced during a scrum if the referee has signalled ‘time-off’.

Normal interchange procedures do not allow players to be replaced during scrums as a way of preventing unnecessary stoppages.

A number of Newcastle injuries around the same time in the Newcastle v Manly game yesterday led to confusion over the replacement of forward Richie Fa’aoso, who had suffered a concussion.

“The NRL Ground Manager at Brookvale on Sunday was actually trying to get the attention of the trainer to advise him of the fact that an interchange could be made,” NRL Director of Football Operations, Mr Nathan McGuirk, said today.

“A notice was sent to all clubs in 2009 making it clear that the rule to prevent interchanges at scrums was never intended to penalise a team in the case of a genuine injury.

“If a player is genuinely injured and the referee calls ‘time-off’ a replacement can be made and we have reminded all clubs and interchange officials of that fact.”

The NRL is also continuing a review of procedures for dealing with concussion that was initiated a number of weeks ago.

“When I started in this position I began discussions with NRL Chief Medical Officer Ron Muratore on our current Head Injury policy,” Mr McGuirk said.

“Ron has already been in touch with clubs and is this Thursday coordinating a phone conference with NRL Club Doctors to discuss:

o Whether there is a case for standardising post-concussive procedures and testing across all NRL Clubs;
o Whether there should be further investigation into standardising game day procedures across all Clubs when dealing with concussed players during a match.

“Once we receive the feedback from Doctors on these issues there will be further consultation with clubs.”
 

mrpwnd

Bench
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O/T
I think Newcastle broke the record for longest amount of time a player was in first grade without footy shorts on.
 

Paullyboy

Coach
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A few points - the officials are not allowed to force a sub, they were not in the wrong.

Secondly, i know this is a fictional example, but watch the movie Any Given Sunday to get an idea of the pressure on club doctors to keep players on the field.

The only solution is a concept the AFL are currently exploring, a neutral doctor must approve a player going on after a head injury
 

thorson1987

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A few points - the officials are not allowed to force a sub, they were not in the wrong.

Secondly, i know this is a fictional example, but watch the movie Any Given Sunday to get an idea of the pressure on club doctors to keep players on the field.

The only solution is a concept the AFL are currently exploring, a neutral doctor must approve a player going on after a head injury

FMD. That has to be the only decent idea those idiots have come up with. I agree with it.

Neutral Doc who assesses both sides.
 

Raider_69

Post Whore
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i think it was terrible but i dont blame the club or players, they are given the oppertunity to make that call and get back on the paddock, that decision needs to be taken out of the clubs and players hands

anyone concussed should be medically cleared by independant NRL doctor, not the club's medical staff
it was very dangerous and im glad no extra harm came to him
 

cleary89

Coach
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The AFL rule is bullsh*t, a concussion and cannot go back on.

Agree should have had to come off, but make it so its until the doctor clears him.
 

Paullyboy

Coach
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The AFL rule is wrong at the moment, it will probably be right before ours though because as I said before, they are exploring the neutral doctor concept.

Hopefully it's one thing we do rake from them.
 

Perth Red

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When it comes to brain trauma then I disagree. Playing with a busted arm is one thing, head trauma is quite another. Most sports have very strict rules around concussion and when you can and can't play following one. The recent research around NFL players and dementia should be telling us something.

You can't leave it to player or coaches, they want whats best for the team so you have to take away that decison making, bad call by that DR in my medical opinion.
 

Firey_Dragon

Coach
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It's the worlds toughest sport for a reason, if you or any doctors want to cry about it. Go watch lesser sports like Union and AFL.

Players pushing through injury are an inspirational and something we better not lose to our game because of some quak.
Difference between an "injury" and a concussion is that you can drop dead from the latter if it isn't handled correctly. This issue has been highlighted recently in the NFL with Dave Duerson committing suicide and donating his brain for analysis...

http://www.gulawweekly.org/sports/2...s-suicide-highlights-concussion-concerns.html

Toughness has nothing to do with it. There should be no risks taken at all with concussion, as soon as there are signs of concussion a player should not be allowed to return to the field until scans are done IMO.
 
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Slackboy72

Coach
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The AFL rule is bullsh*t, a concussion and cannot go back on.

Agree should have had to come off, but make it so its until the doctor clears him.

Disagree. You shouldn't come back on until you've done the cognitive tests and come back up to preseason speed.

The fact is the Newcastle staff f#@&ed up by not knowing the rules.
The game should have been stopped the moment it was clear he was concussed. That's not necessarily in the rules but that's what the NRL have to sort out.
 
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