Queensland cheating again

[Didgi]

:lol: I wonder who we trust, frothfield or Fox Sports. Cos you know, Rothfield is a good, sane, not at all sensationalist journalist and all that...

 

[Big Pete]

Members bag out Rothfield on here all the time...and now he's apparently a reliable news journalist.

Now I'm not entirely sure what the Kennedy deal is but I do know he played for Qld in Under 17's.

 

[Spanner in the works]

I honestly don't care if he plays for NSW or Queensland. What I care about is making the rules clear, transparent and with no ambiguity. If that means NSW misses out on the next Johns, or Queensland misses out on the next Lewis, so be it. This is a start to what I want to see:

• The first selection rule, and the overriding rule, is where you are born. You are born in Lismore you play for NSW. If you are born in Cairns you play for Queensland. Simple.
• The second rule is if you are born outside of NSW or QLD, it comes down to the first junior club you play for.
• Players MUST declare their eligibility when they first come into lower grades, which is cross-referenced with their club history and place of birth. Both the NSWRL, QRL and ARL must sign off on each player.
• Once declared, this is placed on a publicly available database for scrutiny. It's entirely transparent so we don't have situations like this and allows for the public to appeal against any player who they know is lying i.e. if someone wants to fudge their records, the public can contact the relevant person and have a chance to prove legitimacy

In the end, it's always the first rule.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

"Exclusive by Phil Rothfield "

Credibility removed.

Don't let that get in the way of good old boo hoo though. Wouldn't be LU without wailing and sobbing Blues fans.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

From the f**king Roosters website:

Date of Birth : 20 February, 1989
Height : 190 cm
Weight : 118 kg
Position : Prop
Rep. Honours : Australian Schoolboys '07, QLD U'17's
Junior Clubs : Norths Ipswich
FG Debut : Roosters v Rabbitohs - 15 March 2009 (round 1)
Club Debut : Roosters v Rabbitohs - 15 March 2009 (round1)

http://www.sydneyroosters.com.au/default.aspx?s=player-profile-display&id=420&team=Roosters&martin-kennedy

 

[PARRA_FAN]

I honestly don't care if he plays for NSW or Queensland. What I care about is making the rules clear, transparent and with no ambiguity. If that means NSW misses out on the next Johns, or Queensland misses out on the next Lewis, so be it. This is a start to what I want to see:

• The first selection rule, and the overriding rule, is where you are born. You are born in Lismore you play for NSW. If you are born in Cairns you play for Queensland. Simple.
• The second rule is if you are born outside of NSW or QLD, it comes down to the first junior club you play for.
• Players MUST declare their eligibility when they first come into lower grades, which is cross-referenced with their club history and place of birth. Both the NSWRL, QRL and ARL must sign off on each player.
• Once declared, this is placed on a publicly available database for scrutiny. It's entirely transparent so we don't have situations like this and allows for the public to appeal against any player who they know is lying i.e. if someone wants to fudge their records, the public can contact the relevant person and have a chance to prove legitimacy

In the end, it's always the first rule.

What about the likes of Corey Paterson and James McManus NT juniors and, or a Storm player who's played junior footy outside NSW and QLD. eg. Matt Duffie

I dont know what theyre gonna do with the rules, seems like we allow anyone who wants to play Origin even though they'd be ineligible according to the rules

Although with Martin Kennedy, according to his profile in Big League Season Guide, his junior club is Norths Ipswich so after reading that I wouldve assumed he was a QLDer.

 

[Spanner in the works]

What about the likes of Corey Paterson and James McManus NT juniors and, or a Storm player who's played junior footy outside NSW and QLD. eg. Matt Duffie

I dont know what theyre gonna do with the rules, seems like we allow anyone who wants to play Origin even though they'd be ineligible according to the rules

Although with Martin Kennedy, according to his profile in Big League Season Guide, his junior club is Norths Ipswich so after reading that I wouldve assumed he was a QLDer.

Sorry, it was implied albeit not particularly clear that it was out of NSW and QLD clubs for junior clubs i.e. the first NSW or QLD based junior club you play for. If they don't play for a NSW or QLD junior club before making their senior debut, then it comes down to first senior club.

 

[El Diablo]

just reduce it to 14 at any level, not 16 and first senior footy

 

[Garts]

Should be where you have spent a greater % of your life. Playing a game as 16 is plain stupid. Kennedy has spent 20 of his 22 years in NSW ffs.

 

[Didgi]

Should be where you have spent a greater % of your life. Playing a game as 16 is plain stupid. Kennedy has spent 20 of his 22 years in NSW ffs.

:lol: So an 8 year old born in Cairns, moves to Lismore, whole family supports QLD, but making his debut for the Broncos at 20, he has to play for NSW if he'd lived there from 8y.o to 20?

Make it which state the player thinks of himself as, but he must have a) been born there b) first junior footy there or c) have spent the majority of his life there. That way players will represent their state, but must have a connection to that state, stops players chopping and choosing whichever state is winning/he has a better chance of selection for.

 

[Garts]

:lol: So an 8 year old born in Cairns, moves to Lismore, whole family supports QLD, but making his debut for the Broncos at 20, he has to play for NSW if he'd lived there from 8y.o to 20?

Make it which state the player thinks of himself as, but he must have a) been born there b) first junior footy there or c) have spent the majority of his life there. That way players will represent their state, but must have a connection to that state, stops players chopping and choosing whichever state is winning/he has a better chance of selection for.

You may laugh but it's better than someone playing for a state who has only lived in that state for just 2 years out of their 20. They could obviously have other rules or guidelines around the eligibility criteria. i.e. Like your example, born in qld and spent a large portion of their life in the state should have some serious weight in the decision.

As for who you family supports, that means f**k all. I want to play for Qld as that's who my mummy supports :lol:

 

[Charlie124]

The state youre born in should never have anything to do with it. There have been several other options put forward in this thread and others and a combination of those could/should be looked at but just making someone play for a state they have no connection with other than the fact they were born there is a ridiculous idea and i would hate to see it become the rule.

 

[Snappy]

Laugh at all the blues whingers. The kid say's he considers himself a moroon. Would you really want him in your team if he had said he wants to play for the other ?

 

[El Diablo]

and choice should not enter the equation either

i think it makes sense to lower it to 14 seeing disputes seem to happen if players moved around after that age

seems silly to me if you moved after that age that in less than 2 years you are no longer eligible for the state you've spent most of your football playing days in

 

[El Diablo]

Laugh at all the blues whingers. The kid say's he considers himself a moroon. Would you really want him in your team if he had said he wants to play for the other ?

no

but that does not mean the Origin rules should be thrown out the window

 

[Spanner in the works]

The state youre born in should never have anything to do with it. There have been several other options put forward in this thread and others and a combination of those could/should be looked at but just making someone play for a state they have no connection with other than the fact they were born there is a ridiculous idea and i would hate to see it become the rule.

I thought it was called State of Origin not State of Other Selection Criteria That Is Entirely Ambiguous And is Based on We Saw Him First?

 

[andrew057]

A few misinformed members in this thread. From the man himself:

I'm as Queensland as XXXX - Martin Kennedy

• EXCLUSIVE by Dean Ritchie
• From: The Daily Telegraph
• April 05, 2011 12:00AM

Source: The Daily Telegraph



THEY are the six words that will depress an already bleak rugby league state.

Emerging State of Origin prop Martin Kennedy - caught in a qualification dispute between NSW and Queensland - proudly declared yesterday: "I'm a Queenslander through and through."

However, the ARL last night could not guarantee it wouldn't force Kennedy to represent NSW.

Kennedy, the Roosters prop who terrorised Wests Tigers last weekend, was born in Lismore and has lived 14 of his 22 years in NSW.

But he considers himself a Queenslander and wants to be a Maroon.

"My whole life I have wanted to play for Queensland. It would be ridiculous in my eyes to play for NSW," Kennedy told The Daily Telegraph. "I'm a Queenslander through and through. I grew up in Queensland, I went to school in Queensland, I played all my footy in Queensland.


"I know a few things make me eligible for NSW, but I am a Queenslander."

Kennedy lived in NSW until he was 10 before moving to Queensland for eight years, where he completed school at Ipswich Grammar and started playing rugby league.

He then returned to NSW in 2007 after signing with the Roosters. Before moving north, Kennedy had just one season of rugby league, as a nine year old.

But his eight years in Queensland left an indelible mark on Kennedy, who has no desire to pull on a Blues jumper.

"This isn't half-baked. You are either a Queenslander or you're not and I am," Kennedy said. "It was only when I went to Queensland that I started playing footy.

"I had 12 months of playing with my mates in NSW but it was in Queensland when I started to play seriously.

"I was born in NSW but my early years were on the farm in northern NSW. When you are young you really don't know who you want to play for.

"My idols are Shane Webcke and Steve Price.

"If you grow up in Queensland, Queensland player are your idols.

"My greatest achievement before playing first grade was making the junior Queensland sides. All the junior rep teams I made were in Queensland.

"I moved to Queensland when I was 10 and didn't come back until I signed with the Roosters when I was 18.

"I also played with the Ipswich Jets when I was 17."

When Kennedy shifted into the Roosters' system he played a season of the then Arrive Alive Cup with Matraville Sports High School.

It led to selection in the NSW CHS side and NSW Schoolboys side before he was appointed captain of the Australian Schoolboys.

Asked how it felt to wear the sky blue of NSW, Kennedy said: "It felt different."

And do his parents want him playing for Queensland? "For sure," Kennedy said.

ARL chief executive Geoff Carr spent yesterday tracking Kennedy's past to determine which state the player should represent. "We want to triple check his Queensland Schoolboy records to make sure we cover every game he played," Carr said. "We don't need to rush a decision. We have until City-Country [May 6].

"We know he has represented Queensland under-17s but that isn't State of Origin. He has also represented NSW Schoolboys. Martin has lived in both states so there are qualification issues."For now though, Kennedy just wants to play strongly for the Roosters. "There is only one bloke I am looking to impress and that is [coach) Brian Smith," he said. "Origin is a long way away. I just want to play footy."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...x-martin-kennedy/story-e6frexnr-1226033647858

 

[Big Pete]

Trust the usual suspects to jump the gun, especially over a Rothfield article.

:lol:

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

The state youre born in should never have anything to do with it. There have been several other options put forward in this thread and others and a combination of those could/should be looked at but just making someone play for a state they have no connection with other than the fact they were born there is a ridiculous idea and i would hate to see it become the rule.

Ofcourse a Queenslander wouldn't want strict eligibility rules you'd have to give up players and stop claiming Kiwis

Laugh at all the blues whingers. The kid say's he considers himself a moroon. Would you really want him in your team if he had said he wants to play for the other ?

If he doesn't want to play for NSW then fine he can sit out weekend NRL matches when he is supposed to be in camp just like Inglis should have to.

 

[hellteam]

I love Kennedy what an article