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Dear Mr English player...want to compete, come play in the best Comp.

Drzoidberg

Drzoidberg

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St.John said:
Pretty much all the Kiwis play in the NRL, and we beat them.

Our standout players (with the exception of Ellis) have never played in the NRL.

Plenty of NRL players were no great shakes in the SL when they came over.

It's certainly the best competition, but NRL experience is not as essential as you may think for English international success. More players are what's needed, we don't have the depth of Aus and arguably NZ.
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Where is NZ so called depth? In Rugby? We dont have nearly as many professionals/people playing the sport for this depth you talk of? England have got ooddles of professionals/people playing the sport compared to NZ and you guys can ONLY beat us at home.

Honestly the NRL will make your good players better, 80 minute players not 65min players or 2nd half wonders or wait for the other team to play like toddlers.

And you should've beat the Kiwis at home, they played like absolute sh*t!
 
Drzoidberg

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Adrian Monk said:
Sam Burgess is world class NOW!

James Graham is the worlds best prop NOW!

These guys have done this by playing in super league. It's not the Burgess, Graham, Ellis etc... of this world that let us down. It's the player pool in which we have access too! None of our 1-5 are good enough, you can send them all to the NRL if you want and they still wouldent be good enough.
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Burgess is world class and knows if he wants to be the best he has to play the best.

Graham worlds best prop? in what ESL?


Send only quality mate, quality! They wouldnt make a run on side so wouldnt get better
 
Drzoidberg

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Adrian Monk said:
England RL COMPETE quite well, as the four nations proved. However we will NEVER beable to compete against the Aussies for player pools. English kids dont want to play rugby league. Infact most schools even in the North west of England dont play RL untill they reach 11 years old! Down south they dont play it at all!

It's a little sport.
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That is a load of Taco's, pull your pants up and speak with your mouth because quite frankly your talking absolute sh*t.

It isnt really ir ever played in NZ schools, NZ has a population of 4.3mil, NZ has no professional league comp, NZ has no current international playing in any NZ domestic comp.....

In NZ its a little sport and by your standards it aint even a fart and a whistle

Where is NZ's playing pool(as shown this year) but we still can win the big ones
 
ozbash

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These guys have done this by playing in super league. It's not the Burgess, Graham, Ellis etc... of this world that let us down. It's the player pool in which we have access too! None of our 1-5 are good enough, you can send them all to the NRL if you want and they still wouldent be good enough.
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I think the ESL has way too many pre-retirement exNRL players.
It holds the local youngsters back.
 
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St.John

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Drzoidberg said:
Where is NZ so called depth? In Rugby? We dont have nearly as many professionals/people playing the sport for this depth you talk of? England have got ooddles of professionals/people playing the sport compared to NZ and you guys can ONLY beat us at home.
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NZ is a "rugby" nation, the likes of which we cannot compete with. I appreciate that it's dominated by RU, but the nation is saturated in "rugby" lore, and there's no shortage of raw materials and kids who grow up playing the game in one form or another.

We don't have that at the moment, but we're working on it.

Honestly the NRL will make your good players better, 80 minute players not 65min players or 2nd half wonders or wait for the other team to play like toddlers.
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You seem to have ignored the entire point of my post - our best players are already good enough. The problem is that we don't have enough of them for a full team.

It's not necessary for Burgess, Graham, Crabtree etc to play in the NRL - they can already mix it with the best forwards the NRL has to offer, and they've shown that.

The problem is that we have no depth, or even stand out players, in certain positions. We can't send these players to the NRL if we don't have them in the first place!

Steve Davy has touched on the potential to send the very young kids over, and that's one option. But I don't see why an NRL team would sign them - there's no shortage of antipodean players just as good, and quite probably less of a risk in terms of it not working out.

And you should've beat the Kiwis at home, they played like absolute sh*t!
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And almost all of them play in the NRL. So much for the idea that we need NRL players to compete, eh?

The NRL may well improve out best players somewhat, but they didn't look overawed by NZ or Aus. The problem is we don't have enough players, and that's what we need to work on.
 
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WireMan

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Drzoidberg said:
That is a load of Taco's, pull your pants up and speak with your mouth because quite frankly your talking absolute sh*t.

It isnt really ir ever played in NZ schools, NZ has a population of 4.3mil, NZ has no professional league comp, NZ has no current international playing in any NZ domestic comp.....

In NZ its a little sport and by your standards it aint even a fart and a whistle

Where is NZ's playing pool(as shown this year) but we still can win the big ones
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But all your players play in the NRL, which according to the first post we should send all our youngsters to improve. Therefore your Youngsters should be better than ours. But there not. Hence the logic is Flawed.

Simple.
 
Newie is God's Country

Newie is God's Country

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Tomkins is a terrific young player as are Eastmond and Hall. Young Briscoe, the fullback, was very good as well. His ball dislodging tackle on Hayne was a cracker. I think the key is a player transfer or trading scheme similar to football in Europe. Maybe draft the young English talents out to Aus for a minimum of 12 months to give them exposure to the rigours of NRL football week in week out. The big thing they would learn is how to not make the same defensive error twice. They made pretty much the same slide error on their right hand defence three times in five minutes and Slater and Hayne exploited it. GAme over. The English lads did not deserve that score line at all. Their forwards are very solid as a unit. Peacock is arguably the best second rower in the world for mine.
 
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dacsinc

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The ESL will never be as good as the NRL - there are far too few quality players across the competition for that. People in England get very excited by the likes of Burgess - and rightly so, but he won't move to the next level if he stays in England.

Whilst this wouldn't be so much of an issue in the forwards, it's a huge problem in the backs. England struggles to produce any big, athletic backs to start with (both right centres against Aus only moved there this year - Smith is really a fullback and Bridge a stand off prior to that) and those that do never ever face the quality of attack Australia possess. Without facing that kind of attack semi regularly, none of them will ever learn how to defend against it.

The worst problem positions for England though are 1,6, 7 and 9. We haven't produced a decent attacking fullback since Jonathan Davies, a really good stand off since Schofield or halfback since Gregory. As for hooker, the fact that Sinfield had to move there showed the problem - we need a footballer not a runner at hooker, and English clubs need to drop the whole concept of the 'extra halfback' type loose forward. The only reason they exist is because our halfbacks are so poor.

A classic case is the two lads at halfback for England. Both look quite good prospects. However, they both have massive gaps in their games - passing, decision making and general kicking. If they stay in SL then 5 years from now we'll all be still highlighting those flaws. If they were to move to the NRL there's a chance they could iron them out and become genuine halfbacks.

I've also long supported the idea of getting the best English 16/17 year olds to come to Australia to train with NRL clubs for a a season. I suspect the improvement in development at such a key age would be huge.
 
Drzoidberg

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St.John said:
You seem to have ignored the entire point of my post - our best players are already good enough. The problem is that we don't have enough of them for a full team.

It's not necessary for Burgess, Graham, Crabtree etc to play in the NRL - they can already mix it with the best forwards the NRL has to offer, and they've shown that.

The problem is that we have no depth, or even stand out players, in certain positions. We can't send these players to the NRL if we don't have them in the first place!
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Mate there 17 players out there not just four or five, look at the kiwis once again draw some parallels and you will see there are many

Young team, numerous debutants, a few players 20 or younger, new team (almost a new forward pack for the kiwis due to injury)

What I mean is you dont need a team of Marquee players to win at international level.

You need a team wiling to go 80mins in the trenches for each other, for their family, for their nation.

A few awesome players can pull a team together like that. Look at kiwis WC win, not our top team not by a long shot but they went out there and made us proud, just like our draw with Aus.

honestly we should have been the easy beats after France. We held our own against Aus ALLTHE WAY, and we lost to u by only 8 when we dropped the ball all day and coulnt mount any pressure.

So you dont need a team of awesome players, just ones willing to bleed for that jersey.

St.John said:
And almost all of them play in the NRL. So much for the idea that we need NRL players to compete, eh?

The NRL may well improve out best players somewhat, but they didn't look overawed by NZ or Aus. The problem is we don't have enough players, and that's what we need to work on.
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And that was just one game, pretty silly to make judgments like that after one game. I would love a series up in England best of 5 even just to see the real gap!

Aus grinded that win out of you guys, call a spade a spade mate they overawed you, how can you let the other team score a billion points in the 2nd half and not be overawed?

Your starting to sound like wiganjohn
 
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Hanscholo

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The EPL, through all of the hype and bullsh*t spoken about over the last two years has really stood up for what it is lately. Its a comp I would rate behind QLD cup, about the same as Jim Beam. In saying that, its why their national side is pathetic, there is no lack of ability there, its just practice that thwarts them.

To think there were people trying to tell us the EPL had overtaken the NRL a year or so back.
 
1 Eyed TEZZA

1 Eyed TEZZA

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He could turn out to be a nuffy in the NRL, wouldnt surprise me. Burgess and Ellis oozed class in the ESL, Grahame doesn't.
 
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