NBA Draft Lottery

[Tiger Hawk]

Pistons won the championship that year and made it to the finals again in 05, pretty vindicated decision imo. Nothing will ever beat the Blazers passing on Michael Jordan in the '84 draft and even dumber were the Pacers for trading that pick away.

It's funny how everyone slams the Blazers (rightfully so) but nobody ever slams the Rockets, who picked first and took Hakeem. I know that he delivered two championships, but we're talking about the greatest player of all time who could have joined up with Ralph Sampson and maybe a completely different NBA would have turned out. Rockets made the Finals in 86 then took 8 years to get back there.

Joe D has also said that at the time, had the Pistons got the first pick in 03 he was contemplating taking Darko first ahead of LBJ. Now THAT would have been the biggest blunder of all time.

 

[Ridders]

It's funny how everyone slams the Blazers (rightfully so) but nobody ever slams the Rockets, who picked first and took Hakeem. I know that he delivered two championships, but we're talking about the greatest player of all time who could have joined up with Ralph Sampson and maybe a completely different NBA would have turned out. Rockets made the Finals in 86 then took 8 years to get back there.

Joe D has also said that at the time, had the Pistons got the first pick in 03 he was contemplating taking Darko first ahead of LBJ. Now THAT would have been the biggest blunder of all time.

Tbf Hakeem turned out to be one of the great NBA centres, so that's probably why the Rockets get a pass.

Another tidbit from 2003; let's not forget how the Pistons got that No.2 pick. It was initially the Grizzlies pick, which was Top.1 protected (of the top of my head I can't remember how the Pistons acquired it). So the Grizzlies either got the No.1 pick in the 2003 draft, or the pick would go to the Pistons. So Lebron or nothing.

That's some difference :lol:

 

[Ridders]

And just found this:

http://www.nba.com/history/draft_top13.html

Just made me think again....WTF were the Pistons thinking in 2003. Even more so.

Passing on Carmelo, Bosh, Wade - Doesn't matter anything Kahn does...nothing will rival that..

Well aside from Kwame Brown at #1 instead of Tyson Chandler or Pau Gasol

Wow...I actually never realised that Kobe fell to #13 in 1996.

I dunno if you can say that he fell, since at the time drafting players straight out of HS was still a foreign concept. But yeah in retrospect, what a steal!

I'm a bit of a Darko apologist, and I can't kill Dumars for taking him since Darko was very highly touted. And let's be real. Out of Lebron, Melo, Bosh and Wade, he was the first to get a ring!

For me the Hasheem Thabeet pick was the worst in recent times for different reasons. Alot of draft picks are bad with hindsight. To me Thabeet was different since at the time, alot thought that he would be a bust. He was just so raw.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

I honestly can't hate on the Rockets for taking Hakeem, he's a hall of famer and is probably top 5 centres of all time. In hindsight, yeah MJ is a no brainer but Hakeem was no scrub and the competition for rings at the time included the Celtics, show time Lakers and the Pistons and even MJ couldn't get through them until father time caught up with them and Scottie Pippen came on board. Just sayin.

Taking Darko over Lebron would definitely have been on par with the Blazers but the Piston's didn't need somebody like D-Wade or Melo they already had their team in place and tbh I think the league was better for what happened in the draft.

 

[Special K]

They one they took Baron Davis & 1st rounder, for Moon & Williams.

#1 pick so you can move Baron davis?

oh my god... SPEW

They good get such a better deal now but that is hindsight

edit - Kobe refused to work out for any team besides LA. He was a 18 year old(or there abouts) who was making demands... NJ wanted to draft him but he said he would not show up.

edit again... How the hell did the clips not make it at the very f**king least #1 protected??????? I mean come on! Year 1 and no protection? I could maybe understand if it was 5 years later and it was unprotected but year 1?!?!? WOW

 

[Ridders]

#1 pick so you can move Baron davis?

oh my god... SPEW

They good get such a better deal now but that is hindsight

edit - Kobe refused to work out for any team besides LA. He was a 18 year old(or there abouts) who was making demands... NJ wanted to draft him but he said he would not show up.

edit again... How the hell did the clips not make it at the very f**king least #1 protected??????? I mean come on! Year 1 and no protection? I could maybe understand if it was 5 years later and it was unprotected but year 1?!?!? WOW

Imo it was a terrible trade at the time...and that was BEFORE it turned out to be No.1.

I can somewhat understand the logic behind the Mo for Baron component, being that Mo Williams contract (while longer) had a lower cap figure and would give them a better chance in the free agency of 2012.

But as you said, to give up an unprotected lottery pick in Year 1 is criminal. Gotta give credit to Dan Gilbert for being willing to eat Baron Davis' contract and essentially buy a lottery pick.

 

[Special K]

I remember reading the Clips owner HATED Baron and hated paying him anything and was looking at anything for him. I remember reading about a Matt Carroll/Diop deal for Baron deal... I bet the clips wish they just took that now! Baron wanted out and so did Mo but to give up an unprotected pick for the extra years is silly when a protected pick could have done the job and if it couldn't with the cavs I am sure some team would have made the deal but I don't know the ins and outs of things and more must have been going on behind the scenes.

I highly doubt we see any teams send out any unprotected picks for a few years now because of this... 99% of them are top 1 or 2 protected anyway. Well done cavs! I am happy for them but I feel they had their run and f**ked it. It would of been nice to see a new team get the #1 for a change. The way they tried to build around Lebron was shocking and hopefully they learnt from it and do not try and win the comp next year. Pile up the assets guys!! It would be cool if the cavs can build a side in the next 3 - 4 years to go after the Heat. Imagine a ECF game 7? A long, long way away I know but hey look at the Thunder and Bulls and where they are at now with good drafting and smart management. Step your game up cavs and make it happen!

 

[Tiger Hawk]

^ Agreed. Stockpile draft picks and cap friendly contracts, take a leaf out of the Thunder's book. Taking Baron wasn't great but they got that number 1 pick back which has turned out to be an awesome pick-up for them. Looking at their cap position, they should have a fair amount of salary freed up after next season, although an extension to JJ Hickson might eat up a bit of that. If they can either ship Baron or hope for a miracle that he opts out after next season, they'd be even better off.

If they can move Antawn Jamison's expiring (2012) contract for something good they should, but otherwise just let it come off the books, don't take back another mediocre player earning $15m!

 

[AusKnightRKO]

ay is there any chance Irving plays for australia at all, or is he fully Commited to the US National Team?

 

[Bluebag]

The Clippers arent upset about giving up this pick for a few reason, Baron turned up out of shape had a huge salary and they needed to move him and Mo Williams went pretty good for us. I liked Baron when he finally pulled his finger out thanks to Blake but it was considered a great trade as this years draft is not considered strong and with a potential lock out the Clips Neil Olshey was considered a great move.
Our problem is not the Point position but SF and there are several options including moving Kaman and Aminu and Gomes as well, Bledsoe has a lot of upsides and played well in patches earlier than expected. Aminu has a lot of talent but still needs time.
We have a 2012 protected pick from the T Wolves as well and may trade it as well to get the right SF.

 

[Big Mick]

ay is there any chance Irving plays for australia at all, or is he fully Commited to the US National Team?

Why would he play for Australia?

Is he Aussie? Really?

 

[Big Mick]

Ah crap...didn't realise he was born in Melbourne.

We should totally claim him.

He wont get a look at the US National Team with their quality PG's.

Imagine him and Patty Mills in the team with Bogut...that's not too shabby.

Should totally recruit him.

 

[andrew057]

Why would he play for Australia?

Is he Aussie? Really?

I know he was born here and an Australian citizen and with the US having a plethora of young point guards it wouldnt be out of the question.

 

[Bluebag]

I like what I have seen of the Irving highlights but he is only a freshman with 11 games and will need to work on his durability as he suffered an injury to his toe and has reported with a high body fat content as well. He is certainly someone that Basketball Australia should be contacting though for rep duties for the future.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

It's funny how everyone slams the Blazers (rightfully so) but nobody ever slams the Rockets, who picked first and took Hakeem. I know that he delivered two championships, but we're talking about the greatest player of all time who could have joined up with Ralph Sampson and maybe a completely different NBA would have turned out. Rockets made the Finals in 86 then took 8 years to get back there.

Joe D has also said that at the time, had the Pistons got the first pick in 03 he was contemplating taking Darko first ahead of LBJ. Now THAT would have been the biggest blunder of all time.

Back in the 80s 90s u took centres,u have a good big inside your set imo
they made the right choice with hakeem anyways and won 2 championships

 

[half]

i wonder if miami protected the picks it sent to cleveland and toronto. golly i hope so

 

[Big Mick]

Anyone see what the latest talk is.

Cav's trying to trade up to #2 from #4 to get Derrick Williams as well.

Reportedly Pistons giving Cav's Richard Hamilton & 8th pick to take him while the Cav's would buy out Hamilton to go to the Bulls while Cav's trade #4 & #8 to T'Wolves.

 

[Ridders]

Anyone see what the latest talk is.

Cav's trying to trade up to #2 from #4 to get Derrick Williams as well.

Reportedly Pistons giving Cav's Richard Hamilton & 8th pick to take him while the Cav's would buy out Hamilton to go to the Bulls while Cav's trade #4 & #8 to T'Wolves.

Interesting.

I can see the Cavs and Pistons wanting to do this. However, from everything I've read, this is a relatively weak draft, so I'm not sure how highly the T-Wolves will rate the #4 and especially #8 pick.

Can totally see why the Cavs would try. Irving and Derrick Williams is a pretty nice coup.

 

[Special K]

The T-Wolves do not need any more youth. Getting the #4 and #8th is an ok deal for them but they should try and get an experienced player.

Getting #1 and #2 on the same team would be awesome though.

 

[Big Mick]

And they also said that pending what position Derrick Williams projects...whether PF or SF...that they'd consider trading away JJ Hickson.

So if they project Williams as a SF...then Hickson will stay...if they project him as a PF I can see them trading Hickson for a genuine SG or SF.

PG - Irving
SG -
SF - Williams
PF - Hickson
C - Varejao

Find a decent SG...even if they keep Hamilton...and its not a bad team.

Getting a good young C & SG and its a solid group of young guys to build around.

T-Wolves may be able to package the #4 & #8 picks for a vet player potentially. Who knows. Maybe giving the #4, #8 & Beasley for Bynum & Artest & their first from the Lakers. Then utilise the CBA amnesty and buy out Artest. Could be a terrible trade sure...but just throwing it out there. Lakers may want to go with a bit more youth. They can pick up Kanter or Knight at #4 so a good young piece at each position...and they get the contract of Artest off the books...