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Extended contract offer to Kearney

Eels Dude

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Short term success is impossible... but in 2009 we were only beaten the grand final by an illegal squad, and have been shit ever since. Wouldn't that have been short term success?

The salary cap makes short term success more likely to be the name of the game these days. Both 2005 grand finalists missed the 8 the next year (and we as 2005 minor premiers only scraped into 8th) - more examples of this "impossible" short term success :lol:.

To add to that all the four preliminary finalists from 2009 missed the semis in 2010. Not just us.
 

HevyDevy

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He (and a couple of others) have obviously bought the "we've got a plan" spin as well...

Oh, I forgot, it's "death-riding" to even question whether things are truly heading in the right direction.

Yes I've certainly been told that I'm death-riding the team because I question the motives and actions of our board. News to me, but there you go.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Short term success is impossible... but in 2009 we were only beaten the grand final by an illegal squad

Scraped into 8th and then rode our momentum.

and have been shit ever since.

Which proves 2009 was sheer dumb luck. If we had've been good last year you could say we deserved 2009.

But we didn't.

Wouldn't that have been short term success?

The point is it wasn't. Considering how bad we were last year it would've been a joke if we'd won in '09.

Anyway, the '09 team had a bunch of players who'd played finals footy together in '06 and '07 - Hayne, Burt, Inu, Reddy, Grothe, Hindmarsh, Smith, Moimoi, Cayless and Mateo. That's hardly a squad built in the short-term.

The salary cap makes short term success more likely to be the name of the game these days.

Name one club who's bought a premiership this decade.

Both 2005 grand finalists missed the 8 the next year (and we as 2005 minor premiers only scraped into 8th) - more examples of this "impossible" short term success :lol:.

What success are you talking about here? The only one of those clubs that didn't fail spectacularly in the finals was the Tigers, and they were built slowly. The other two - Parra and the Cowboys - were vastly different to their 2004 versions, and both shit themselves in successive weeks.

Even the 2009 Dragons played like a team of strangers in the finals.

You're obviously desperate to put shit on the people running the club, so keep laughing pal. Like this -> :lol:
 

Poupou Escobar

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To add to that all the four preliminary finalists from 2009 missed the semis in 2010. Not just us.

Once again, you're confusing short-term failure with short-term success.

Making the finals and then missing them the next year is not an example of short-term success; it's an example of a rapid decline.

Short-term success would be buying 4 or 5 first graders in the off-season and then winning the comp that year.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Yes I've certainly been told that I'm death-riding the team because I question the motives and actions of our board.

Are you really just questioning 'the motives and actions of our board'? Or are you hoping they fail and trying to portray every setback as irrefutable proof of that failure?

It's a rhetorical question. I think we both know the answer.
 

Eels Dude

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Of course I do. As much as a Sydney club is able to be successful year after year.

So do you think we're going to make the finals 7 straight seasons in a row like Manly will achieve this year? Or perhaps win back to back minor premierships, and possible a third like the Dragons can achieve. If so what are your reasons for thinking this?
 

caylo

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Really?

2010 after 16 rounds - 222 pts against
2011 after 16 rounds - 325 pts against

Yep, we're going great guns ...


go back and read the post, when you take something out of context its easy to be critical.

I stated that our defense was poor early but has improved (over the course of the season)

Secondly I was very critical of how we defended early on and thought we back peddled

then followed by...

While we are struggling our defense have improved out of sigh

sounds different doesn't it
 

Poupou Escobar

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So do you think we're going to make the finals 7 straight seasons in a row like Manly will achieve this year?

With the right core of players there's no reason we couldn't. If we can match Manly's recruitment system we should be able to beat the cap the way they keep doing.

But 7 years in a row is pretty good. If they're the only Sydney team to do that then it can't be easy. I'd settle for missing the finals once in every 5 or 6 years but remember half the clubs miss the finals every season. Ideally every club would make the finals half the time.

Or perhaps win back to back minor premierships, and possible a third like the Dragons can achieve.

Once again, it comes down to the strength of your core group, and the quality of your 25 man squad. The Dragons' strength is that they have very few genuine stars - that's great for winning minor premierships but you'd have to say they were pretty lucky in last year's finals. The only strong team they faced were the Tigers, who took them right to the wire.

If so what are your reasons for thinking this?

Na you're right, I think we're going to be shit and we'll be lucky to make the finals at all in the next decade. Sack the board, Ossie and the coach and bring back Daniel Anderson.

I just hope we don't have to pay too much for him in the mother of all bidding wars that follows him wherever he goes.
 

MrT

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I take exception to comments like that. The vast majority of players to wear the blue and gold have always - & always will - give their best. They are playing no "tougher" than last year. Anyone who says any different is kidding themselves and blinded by the spin doctoring this current mob does so well.

We are currently a struggling club on the field as well as one who cannot seem to attract any topline players. Sando was a good buy but he is hardly topline and we [reportedly] paid way too much for him.

WOE

Our forard pack has matched it with every team. It's our halves and backs that have let us dowon due to lack of skill. They have always put in. We've gone into the season having lost Tahu and Grothe during preseason, they are 2 big name players in our backline.

Our marquee signing prop Poore hasn't played a game this season and our most experienced centre at the club Reddy is gone for the year and only played in a hanful of games.

On top of that Humble has been out most of season, Murray had offield problems and was released. Whatuira retired, Mitchell and Rogers released mid year.

This is the weakest Parra squad since those dark days in the early 90's where Chris King was our Hindy and Speechley was our star half at the age of 55.

There is a bigger picture here. SK is looking to adress it and it won't be achieved overnight. Anyone whining about we haven't bought any star players should have a look at some of our juniors. Gagan and Toutai are filled with potenial in the backs and O'Hanlon and Terepo have loads of potential in the forwards along with others.

Some of you may not know but I believe we may have bought up to 4 players from the Dogs from SG Ball and Mathews, who were in the GF this year.

SK and the staff he has assembled are looking at the bigger picture. When he was interviewed he presented a plan going forward. It won't be all achieved overnight, but has obviously set goals at certain stages.

On Sandow, people are dreaming if they think he isn't a good buy or we paid too much for him. Parra hasn't had a long term halfback since Sterlo.
Tim Smith last 1.5 years, Taylor was at the end of his career.
Sandow if he keeps improving like he has this year, will be the best halfback since Sterlo. He won Souths the game on Friday night setting up two early tries.

If we had Sandow this year, we'd be in the top 8. People who say we paid too much should enquire what the Roosters are paying for Pearce. They are on the same money. How many 22 year old halfbacks with the experience and talent of Sandow are there running around in teh NRL? A good young halfback is very scarce these days and that's why their value is high.

We needed a halfback more than anything and $400k a year will look like very good business next year and I think Galeforce, slammingsam and the rest of the lol50uf$$ faithful know this too. Right now they must have their head in their hands wondering how ever did they let him go.
 

Haynzy

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Sign him cheap while we aren't going well. Stack the contract with incentives including the right to end his contract if we don't make the finals enough times to keep everyone happy... Simple.
 

bartman

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Scraped into 8th and then rode our momentum.

Which proves 2009 was sheer dumb luck. If we had've been good last year you could say we deserved 2009.

But we didn't.

The point is it wasn't. Considering how bad we were last year it would've been a joke if we'd won in '09.
So short term success isn't success unless you judge a team "deserved it". OK.

What success are you talking about here? The only one of those clubs that didn't fail spectacularly in the finals was the Tigers, and they were built slowly. The other two - Parra and the Cowboys - were vastly different to their 2004 versions, and both shit themselves in successive weeks.

Even the 2009 Dragons played like a team of strangers in the finals.
I think now you're just being argumentative because you're bored. You claimed short-term success is impossible... I gave examples of short term success being teams that have been grand-finalists or minor premiers in one year that seemed to come out of nowhere, and vanished the next year as well. I think you're claim that short term success isn't possible (and your defence of the claim) are a bit absurd.

You're obviously desperate to put shit on the people running the club, so keep laughing pal. Like this -> :lol:
That line just proves you're full of shit Poo Poos. Like Stagger's post, I don't really care who runs the club or is coach at any given point in time either, I'll support the club and pay my STH/membership (26 years running) regardless.

But I will care about whether those running the club or acting as coach are producing some level of success - to at least match their own claims, or the claims made by others (eg here) on their behalf.... apparently that's death-riding, but it was ok to do when Fitzgerald was at the helm (even though I was happy to see the back of him too) and ok to do while Hages or DA were around (but somehow different for this coach)? Spot the h.y.p.r.o.c.i.s.y...
 

Poupou Escobar

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So short term success isn't success unless you judge a team "deserved it". OK.

I didn't say that at all.

What I said was 2009 wasn't 'success'. Not only was it not successful, it wasn't even deserved.

See, two different things.

I think now you're just being argumentative because you're bored. You claimed short-term success is impossible... I gave examples of short term success being teams that have been grand-finalists or minor premiers in one year that seemed to come out of nowhere, and vanished the next year as well. I think you're claim that short term success isn't possible (and your defence of the claim) are a bit absurd.

Beside differing definitions of 'success' we clearly also have different definitions of what constitutes 'short term'.

I maintain that 'short term' success in the context of a football club is success that was built within a short time frame. Your definition is success that doesn't last very long.

I would call that 'short lived' success. But it's all semantics.

In the context of a coach building a successful club, my definition is more relevant. Your definition is more to do with dumb luck than good coaching.

The kind of dumb luck that got us to a grand final in 2009 and missing the finals in 2010.

That line just proves you're full of shit Poo Poos. Like Stagger's post, I don't really care who runs the club or is coach at any given point in time either, I'll support the club and pay my STH/membership (26 years running) regardless.

Really? From the outside looking in you seem to be f**king obsessed with who is running the club.

But I will care about whether those running the club or acting as coach are producing some level of success - to at least match their own claims, or the claims made by others (eg here) on their behalf....

I think for us fans who don't know what's going on in the club's backrooms, it's too soon to make any judgements on our success. Because all we have is on-field results plus the signings we already know about.

But those inside the club can see a lot more than we can. They can already see the direction the club is heading, just like they could in the middle of last year.

apparently that's death-riding

No, it's death-riding when you'd rather be right than see the club do well.

but it was ok to do when Fitzgerald was at the helm (even though I was happy to see the back of him too) and ok to do while Hages or DA were around (but somehow different for this coach)? Spot the h.y.p.r.o.c.i.s.y...

There's no hypocrisy.

Anyone who death-rode Fitzgerald or any of the previous coaches is also a f**king shitbag. Just like anybody who is death-riding the current mob.

I was happy with Anderson (and Hagan before him) right up until he got the sack. But I accepted it because I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. I do know the people responsible for hiring and firing coaches are more likely to make rational judgements than a bunch of whiny, 40something year old children on a f**king internet messageboard.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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OK...so, again, why extend his contract? Anyone can promise the world and provide a "plan" for the future. It's delivering on it that counts. All I am saying is that we do not (IMO) appear to have any improvement on last season and this article hints that we are ready to install this unproven rookie coach as the messiah!!

Once again, the 3P/Kearney apologists are out in force. Need I remind you that Daniel Anderson too inheritated a team he didn't choose - one, I might add never even looked like making the 8 the year before he took over - but he banded them together to make the GF. Kearney may well go on to do the same thing, I hope he does. But at this point, he has achieved NOTHING. So why all this talk about contract extensions??? It is lunacy. Surely, you can see this?

WOE

Then you need to look closer. You can't see a change in the side? Take the results away from it and look at them play. Look at the cohesion and dedication they are showing. They are a well drilled and well prepared team.

Best example, look at our slowing of the play the ball down. Our wrestling in the ruck has been superb.
 

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