No Xavi= No Messi

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Ronaldo is not better

I'd still consider Messi to be the greatest in the world at the moment, but just not as dominant as someone like Brazilian Ronaldo who at his peak dominated both club and international (yes he did have a better supporting cast in the Brazil team though) or Zidane etc

Zidane was nowhere as dominant at the same age

 

[AusKnightRKO]

id hate to see what would happen if ronaldo had the team that messi gets to play with, agreed on ZouZou, he didn't really dominate till a couple years later

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

I'd say Ronaldo's Brazil of the 90's were as talented as Spain currently are but nobody questioned Ronaldo's talent playing alongside Rivaldo, Dunga, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Leanardo, Aldair etc...

At the same age Ronaldo was spending 3 years out of the game with 7 minutes here and 15 minutes there in between.

 

[aqua_duck]

C.Ronaldo is still a better player, but in regards to messi, when no one can give him the ball there isn't much he can do, what we need is for Xavi to get injured for the season and see how messi can cope without him

Ronaldo is better based on what exactly? Because he uses more hairgel and sleeps with more supermodels?
People don't really understand the role of Xavi, the brilliance of Xavi, Xavi doesn't create every goal, in fact if you just look at goal assists stats, Messi has trumped Xavi the last 2 seasons, Xavi is the man who controls the tempo and keeps the ball moving. If Xavi missed an entire season Barca would probably win less but I doubt Messi's productivity would decrease dramatically. If Messi took every penalty and freekick, and shot on sight instead of looking for teammates as Ronaldo tends to do he'd score 60-70 goals a season without breaking a sweat

 

[AusKnightRKO]

I'd say Ronaldo's Brazil of the 90's were as talented as Spain currently are but nobody questioned Ronaldo's talent playing alongside Rivaldo, Dunga, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Leanardo, Aldair etc...

At the same age Ronaldo was spending 3 years out of the game with 7 minutes here and 15 minutes there in between.

i was talking about Cristiano Ronaldo not Luiz Ronaldo, who if it wasn't for injuries we would most likely be talking about as the greatest footballer ever.

 

[aqua_duck]

i was talking about Cristiano Ronaldo not Luiz Ronaldo, who if it wasn't for injuries we would most likely be talking about as the greatest footballer ever.

I think he was responding to HowHigh's post

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

i was talking about Cristiano Ronaldo not Luiz Ronaldo, who if it wasn't for injuries we would most likely be talking about as the greatest footballer ever.

Then massive lol at your statement, if fake Ronaldo can't play to what he has now then he never will

 

[zonoscope]

Cristiano Ronaldo is a better player on the international stage than Messi will ever be

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Lol he hasn't done anything for Portugal, smh gtfo

 

[boxhead]

Ronaldo is better based on what exactly? Because he uses more hairgel and sleeps with more supermodels?
People don't really understand the role of Xavi, the brilliance of Xavi, Xavi doesn't create every goal, in fact if you just look at goal assists stats, Messi has trumped Xavi the last 2 seasons, Xavi is the man who controls the tempo and keeps the ball moving. If Xavi missed an entire season Barca would probably win less but I doubt Messi's productivity would decrease dramatically. If Messi took every penalty and freekick, and shot on sight instead of looking for teammates as Ronaldo tends to do he'd score 60-70 goals a season without breaking a sweat

:lol::lol::lol:

Seriously though, I'm a Madrid fan and even I know this thread is a pathetic troll attempt. Messi is the best player in the world. But as far as him and Cristiano Ronaldo go, there isn't a huge difference at all. There might be in a few years but there isn't right now. If Cristiano had the players feeding him ball like Xavi and Iniesta then he would definitely look a lot better as does Messi. Doesn't change the fact that Lionel is the best.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Lol if only Fake Ronaldo had people giving him ball, lmao smh dear oh dear

 

[boxhead]

Lol if only Fake Ronaldo had people giving him ball, lmao smh dear oh dear

Yes because like you yourself said, Xabi Alonso has been going great guns for Madrid :roll: Key word is "quality" ball, a comparison between Xavi and Iniesta's support and Ozil and Alonso's support. Yeah. Learn to read.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Lol one day you will watch football. Xavi is not a playmaker. Fake Ronaldo is the greediest merkin in world football and you complain about him not getting service :lol:

 

[boxhead]

Lol one day you will watch football. Xavi is not a playmaker. Fake Ronaldo is the greediest merkin in world football and you complain about him not getting service :lol:

:lol: I wasn't complaining at all, I was highlighting the obvious that if Cristiano Ronaldo had the quality of players feeding him the ball like the Barcelona forward line do then he probably would score more goals and provide more assists to. I'm not even suggesting he gets bad ball, he gets very good ball; Ozil is a fantastic player of the future, Alonso is a quality player (but in your opinion he has been a flop) and I don't need to talk about the others, do I?

Of course though, the point is moot considering he is selfish on the ball, and that would never fit into the Barcelona system. It's not like I'm complaining though, regardless of whether he's the best or second best player in the team he is still a f**king huge asset to have to any team.

And Xavi not a playmaker? What? I assume by 'playmaker' you mean someone that creates chances or provides assists rather than someone like, for example, Rafael van der Vaart who is more of a second striker (at least at Spurs). Well, going off that definition, how exactly is he not a playmaker? After watching him play at Barcelona a few times, my understanding is that he controls the midfield with his amazing passing skills. Whilst I understand that a lot of assists come from the front-line for Barcelona, I also understand that Xavi, as well as pretty much the rest of their team (and particularly their fullbacks as well) all get forward to provide attacking opportunities.

And by the way, I'm still very new to football. I watch Real Madrid and the EPL regularly, but aside from that, I don't get to watch much European football. So my opinions are based around the evidence I have provided by others. I didn't even know who Neymar was until someone mentioned him as one of the stars of the future here, for example.

 

[whall15]

The thing about Ronaldo is that Messi is a better player and he's 2 years younger.

 

[boxhead]

The thing about Ronaldo is that Messi is a better player and he's 2 years younger.

Isnt Messi four years younger?

 

[aqua_duck]

:lol: I wasn't complaining at all, I was highlighting the obvious that if Cristiano Ronaldo had the quality of players feeding him the ball like the Barcelona forward line do then he probably would score more goals and provide more assists to. I'm not even suggesting he gets bad ball, he gets very good ball; Ozil is a fantastic player of the future, Alonso is a quality player (but in your opinion he has been a flop) and I don't need to talk about the others, do I?

Of course though, the point is moot considering he is selfish on the ball, and that would never fit into the Barcelona system. It's not like I'm complaining though, regardless of whether he's the best or second best player in the team he is still a f**king huge asset to have to any team.

And Xavi not a playmaker? What? I assume by 'playmaker' you mean someone that creates chances or provides assists rather than someone like, for example, Rafael van der Vaart who is more of a second striker (at least at Spurs). Well, going off that definition, how exactly is he not a playmaker? After watching him play at Barcelona a few times, my understanding is that he controls the midfield with his amazing passing skills. Whilst I understand that a lot of assists come from the front-line for Barcelona, I also understand that Xavi, as well as pretty much the rest of their team (and particularly their fullbacks as well) all get forward to provide attacking opportunities.

And by the way, I'm still very new to football. I watch Real Madrid and the EPL regularly, but aside from that, I don't get to watch much European football. So my opinions are based around the evidence I have
provided by others. I didn't even know who Neymar was until someone mentioned him as one of the stars of the future here, for example.

Xavi is not really a playmaker as much as he's a general, think of him as the dummy half who distributes the ball from deep, Messi is like the 5/8th if we were to use rugby league as a metaphor. Ronaldo scores alot more goals from in and around the 18 yard box, he also takes every single penalty and free kick, he'll never be a player who gas lots of assists because he plays like a true striker, he'll shoot from impossible angles from up to 40 yards out, if you haven't watched much football in the past do yourself a favour and go in YouTube and have a look at the 100 goals Messi has scored the last 2 years, I'd say less than a dozen would be from penalties, and half if them he receives the ball outside the attacking third if the pitch. Xavi plays his part but people make out that every goal Messi scores is from a Xavi pass. In anycase if it were all down to Xavi surely Fernando Torres (a £50m striker) would have more success for the national team

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Xavi makes more pass in any given game than the entire opposition will and 95% will be completed and the vast majority will be of no more than 10 yards, Xavi is the puppet master of Barcelona.

If anyone at Barca is the play maker then it's Iniesta, but I digress. Messi gets a lot of ball deep, his strength is to run at the defence it's not like he is there finishing off moves every game Messi creates most of his own chances but also has no hesitation in palming the ball off to anybody he feels is in a better position.

Seriously, Ronaldo scored 40 odd league goals and you say if only he had better ball?

 

[zonoscope]

Lol he hasn't done anything for Portugal, smh gtfo

What happened to Messi at the World Cup and at the Copa America?

 

[abpanther]

What happened to Messi at the World Cup and at the Copa America?

He played very well in an unfamiliar role where his strengths weren't utilised, on both occasions played with a terribly coached side and very little support. Did you actually watch any of the games?