Brookvale upgrade

[smithie]

Yes, but that raises a structure question about the NRL in Sydney. Currently, we have regional sides dividing the city. That requires regional stadia.

Fewer grounds may work, but they have to be easy enough for people from each area of the city to get to. EG, Liverpool would be a great location for a Tigers/Bulldogs facility.

The clubs themselves are limited in their ability to move. This may be the driving mechanism for rationalisation of clubs across Sydney.

This is the problem with Manly. They are located in-between the underutilised Sydney Football Stadium and the rarely used Bluetongue Stadium. It just isn't feasible to give Brookvale a massive upgrade. Manly need to seriously look at doing the same thing South Sydney did. Make Brookvale their training base, much like Redfern, and play at Bluetongue or SFS.

Plan B: Long term move to Sunshine Coast.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Do some research and you will find Manly do not attract big crowds to the SFS.

Souths at ANZ is no great advert for RL. Same with Canterbury.

 

[smithie]

Do some research and you will find Manly do not attract big crowds to the SFS.

Souths at ANZ is no great advert for RL. Same with Canterbury.

I agree, Souths should be at the SFS. The Dogs were getting some good crowd numbers at the beginning of the season, some 20,000+ and even a couple of 30,000+ crowds.

 

[Goddo]

This is the problem with Manly. They are located in-between the underutilised Sydney Football Stadium and the rarely used Bluetongue Stadium. It just isn't feasible to give Brookvale a massive upgrade. Manly need to seriously look at doing the same thing South Sydney did. Make Brookvale their training base, much like Redfern, and play at Bluetongue or SFS.

Plan B: Long term move to Sunshine Coast.

That isn't a great option for Manly either. If they shift to the SFS they will be playing miles from their fans. Thats like playing Broncos home games at the Gold Coast. It just won't work.

Manly's situation is unenviable - they MUST keep playing somewhere within the Northern Beaches, and at worst case, a near by area like North Sydney (but that won't happen for obvious reasons). SFS is too hard to get to from Manly.

But they are in a very safe Liberal area, so they won't get pork barrelling. Only hope is if Abbott becomes PM and throws money at them. But even thats a long shot.

Beyond that, their only options are really relocation - either to Bluetongue Stadium on the Central Coast, or a new stadium on the Sunshine Coast.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

Some people barely remember who the North Sydney Bears are. A freeway bypassed the joint years ago, Manly just finished the job.

Like a dying injured broken down defenceless animal, screaming for mama, the Bears yearning and gurgling for 1922... and then the Sea Eagle swoops in, taking away the soft bellied yet liability heavy carcass, cleaning the mess for generational Rugby League record prosperity.

When we make something extinct we can really do a job on you... and the world of NRL reaps the rewards.

Well, you're the first Manly scum who isn't whining that the Northern Eagles was doing the Bears a favour. You're dumb - but you're honest (as honest as Manly Scum can be).

Manly will always be Blacktown Sur Mer - and there will always be a strong faction at Manly trying to relocate the team to an area that isn't a shithole like Brokevale.

Good luck with that.

Stepping amongst the turds at Brokevale is what opposition teams have been doing for decades.

 

[Berkeley_Eagle]

This is the problem with Manly. They are located in-between the underutilised Sydney Football Stadium and the rarely used Bluetongue Stadium. It just isn't feasible to give Brookvale a massive upgrade. Manly need to seriously look at doing the same thing South Sydney did. Make Brookvale their training base, much like Redfern, and play at Bluetongue or SFS.

Plan B: Long term move to Sunshine Coast.

Manly's training base and offices are at the institute of sport in Narrabeen btw
Play the 7 highest drawing games at Brookie and take the cash from home games from other venues Which Zorba mentioned on Sunday like NZ, Perth, Suncorp etc

 

[smithie]

That isn't a great option for Manly either. If they shift to the SFS they will be playing miles from their fans. Thats like playing Broncos home games at the Gold Coast. It just won't work.

Manly's situation is unenviable - they MUST keep playing somewhere within the Northern Beaches, and at worst case, a near by area like North Sydney (but that won't happen for obvious reasons). SFS is too hard to get to from Manly.

But they are in a very safe Liberal area, so they won't get pork barrelling. Only hope is if Abbott becomes PM and throws money at them. But even thats a long shot.

Beyond that, their only options are really relocation - either to Bluetongue Stadium on the Central Coast, or a new stadium on the Sunshine Coast.

Or Ipswich playing at Suncorp.

 

[Goddo]

Or Ipswich playing at Suncorp.

You know thats only temporary. May only be 1 season at Suncorp for the Jets if expansion is confirmed this year, and entry in 2014-15.

 

[smithie]

I just fail to see how the state government (Labor or LNP) can cough up the money for yet another new stadium in South-east QLD. Are they going to add in a new train line from Logan to Ipswich as well?

Especially when it looks like the Cowboys will be getting a new stadium, which is needed.

 

[Perth Red]

“This is a community venue, first and foremost

Shows what the council think of the prestige of having an NRL team playing in their area. Manly need to find a solution and fast or risk being left way behind. I'm surprised the Mnaly council aren't trying to find a way of getting the team near the town centre, would add massive trade to the pubs and restaurants of Manly and increase the councils revenue significantly. Is there any empty land big enough near the ferry port?

 

[ceagle]

“This is a community venue, first and foremost

Shows what the council think of the prestige of having an NRL team playing in their area. Manly need to find a solution and fast or risk being left way behind. I'm surprised the Mnaly council aren't trying to find a way of getting the team near the town centre, would add massive trade to the pubs and restaurants of Manly and increase the councils revenue significantly. Is there any empty land big enough near the ferry port?

They could redevelop Manly Oval

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/osoezy/manly1.jpg

 

[Nice Beaver]

Well, you're the first Manly scum who isn't whining that the Northern Eagles was doing the Bears a favour. You're dumb - but you're honest (as honest as Manly Scum can be).

Manly will always be Blacktown Sur Mer - and there will always be a strong faction at Manly trying to relocate the team to an area that isn't a shithole like Brokevale.

Good luck with that.

Stepping amongst the turds at Brokevale is what opposition teams have been doing for decades.

haha what a bitter little turd you are.

You use a lot of energy spewing your angry diatribe about a team you supposedly couldn't care less about.

Bugger off and prune the weeds around your caravan idiot.

Can't wait for the witty reply.

 

[firechild]

“This is a community venue, first and foremost

Shows what the council think of the prestige of having an NRL team playing in their area. Manly need to find a solution and fast or risk being left way behind. I'm surprised the Mnaly council aren't trying to find a way of getting the team near the town centre, would add massive trade to the pubs and restaurants of Manly and increase the councils revenue significantly. Is there any empty land big enough near the ferry port?

Brookvale Oval isn't in the Manly Council area, it is covered by Warringah Shire Council. As has been mentioned, Manly council would love the club to move to Manly Oval but the problem is the confines of the block that it sits on would make development of a reasonable grandstand. The other issue is that Manly Oval is used by the cricket club through summer and the ground would have to accomodate both sports which would make it a pretty bad ground for rugby union and rugby league.

 

[Perth Red]

again if having the prestige of having an NRL team isn't any greater to the councils than having somewhere for people to exercise their dogs or for a local cricket team then it is a bit of a doomsday scenario and explains why Manly play out of such poor facilities.

I can see a heap of planning objections to that oval being developed and it is clear the Warringah council don't care if Manly play at Brookvale or not so it will be interesting to see what lies ahead for the Sea Eagles. Have only been to Manly town centre once but was a lovely spot and would be a great place to go to before and after a game I would have thought, just a shame there is no where to build a stadium, maybe they should do like Singapore and float one in a bay!

 

[Goddo]

I just fail to see how the state government (Labor or LNP) can cough up the money for yet another new stadium in South-east QLD. Are they going to add in a new train line from Logan to Ipswich as well?

Especially when it looks like the Cowboys will be getting a new stadium, which is needed.

Well, a Logan-Ipswich train line would make sense at some point from an infrastructure POV, especially since they expect that area to absorb 1M people over the next 20 years.

The new line from the city that will branch down to springfiled will be a good bit of infrastructure, along with all the new and existing highways.

From what I understand, state and local governments love football teams because they help build and establish new communities, and they have positive flow on social effects. Thats actually the reasoning Labor gave for going after the FIFA WC.

In regards to Dairy Farmers, there has been a funding agreement with Stadiums Queensland for quite a while now to redo at least in part the stadium (Western grandstand being the priority). They just hadn't gone any further, but the rumours about a planned new ground sound good, so long as they don't end up with "Titans" rent.

And wrt the "sprinfield stadium", they have a funding guarentee from both parties, the land apparently has been put asside. Same goes for Rockhampton and the CQ bid.

Call it pork barrelling, but neither party wants to apear to be anti-Rugby League in Queensland.

 

[oval]

They could redevelop Manly Oval

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/osoezy/manly1.jpg

Has anyone had a serious look at this option (by anyone I mean the Sea Eagles, the NRL or Manly Council?)

I think it would be awesome, though as other posters have pointed out - there is zero parking, you'd have to shift the pitch to allow for a stand on the tennis court side, there isn't all that much room behind the posts, and there is a nice old park on the other side which I doubt Manly residents would allow to be messed with to create a new stand... Cos that's where the big stand would have to go... Plus there's the bowling club just there right in the way... Plus the Manly Rugby Union Club use the ground, as does the Cricket Club..

In fact, I've just talked myself out of that idea. There are too many issues.

Somebody mentioned Narrabeen - now there's an idea. Pleanty of space on the AIS grounds, it's fairly central for the beaches, you could greate plenty of parking... The Council wouldn't be there to mess it up...The roads in and out would get busy, but still, where else is there? The Rats ground? Somewhere up around Allambie or Forestville?

To be honest, I love Brookvale Oval. Sure it's run down, but it does the trick, and has plenty of atmosphere.

Carn the Eagles!

 

[herbert henry1908]

They could redevelop Manly Oval

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/osoezy/manly1.jpg

Would be crazy IMO.

Manly is even worse for traffic than brookvale , It would be a nightmare.

If they were going to start from scratch ( a long shot I know) Somewhere up around Terry Hills would be best IMO.

 

[firechild]

The beauty of relocating to North narrabeen would be that it would fall into Pittwater Council. However, I believe they are not much better than Warringah Council and would probably move to make a similar community park style ground. Another possibility would be to redevelop Rat Park and make it a dual use ground. Possibly a bit of overkill for the Rats and their 1,500 fans but I could only see it as a positive for both clubs. There is plenty of space around Rat Park for parking and the kids could go for a game of Pirates mini golf before kickoff.

 

[nqcowboy87]

They could redevelop Manly Oval

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/osoezy/manly1.jpg

it gets bad winds i heard

 

[nqcowboy87]

thatd give you an added incentive not to kick out on the full, but would make kicking ofr touch a little more difficult