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France fined for haka advance

Te Kaha

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yes.. its all the All Blacks fault... dont let the truth get in the way of a good rant...

The All Blacks dont want France fined

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10761451
All Blacks manager: Don't fine French over haka antics

All Blacks manager Darren Shand says France should not be fined for advancing on the haka before Sunday's Rugby World Cup final.
France captain Thierry Dusautoir said his team had tried to make a statement by forming a V at the 10m mark and walking up to the halfway line midway through the haka.
But several members of the team stepped beyond the line, breaching an International Rugby Board regulation for the World Cup.
An IRB spokesman said the fines for the offence were consistent at £2500 ($4955).
Shand told Newstalk ZB the IRB should show common sense and let the incident go unpunished.
"They came to play and that was great. The culture challenge is that. It should be done and then we get on with the real stuff.
"I hope it's not overstated."
Dusautoir said the team had only finalised their plan to advance on the haka on the morning of the final match.

"At one stage we were so close to them that they wanted to kiss the New Zealanders, but I told them to take it easy.
"It was a great moment and a moment we will remember all our lives."
Coach Marc Lievremont said Dusautoir had tried his best to prevent players stepping over the line.
"He tried to stop them, there was a bit of movement bringing them forward," Lievremont said.
"But a fine? I don't know."
A final decision from the IRB was likely later this week.
The Telegraph's Iain Payten wrote that a fine would be "money well spent" for France.
"It was exactly the same technique the French team used against the Kiwis in 2007 before they knocked them out of the quarter-final," he said.
"And again it seemed to rattle the All Blacks. The French players began the game strongly and appeared to have knocked the host nation off its balance in the first half."
Before the tournament, the IRB responded after Ali Williams stepped over his 10m mark during a haka and said teams had been made aware that fines were on the table at the cup.
The board laid down ground rules in 2007 for tours that both challenging and accepting teams had to stay behind their 10m line.
But during the World Cup the rules were amended so opposing teams were allowed to stand on the halfway while the team making the "cultural challenge" had to stay behind the 10m line.
 

Big Sam

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It'd be the same thing if it was Tonga or Samoa, but hey don't let your bias get in the way of the truth

No they wouldn't. The Island nations were targeted mercilessly by the IRB this WC. Compare the England 'cheating' slap on the wrist to the fines the Island players received for mouthguard and wristband indiscretions.

IRB = home nations. They are anti-French and anti-Southern Hemisphere.
 

Te Kaha

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No they wouldn't. The Island nations were targeted mercilessly by the IRB this WC. Compare the England 'cheating' slap on the wrist to the fines the Island players received for mouthguard and wristband indiscretions.

IRB = home nations. They are anti-French and anti-Southern Hemisphere.

You do realise that the England team ALSO got fined for mouthguard infringements.. and several other teams got other fines as well.. the difference is they didnt complain, they just got on with the tournament... and there were no fines for any writing on the wristbands...
 

byrne_rovelli_fan82

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I've got no issues if the other team wants to come up with something to bring them together in accepting the challenge that's fine, in fact I do think it is great.

However the Haka is one of the great traditions in sport and it should be respected. Whether spectators like it or not it is something very special to see and to hear, especially live. Any team who disrespects it in some way, my feeling is they aren't worthy opponents.

However the IRB does expect teams to keep their distance and that is understandable, you don't want something ugly to happen even before the game starts right? What about what the Kangaroos did when they played the Kiwis in Brisbane during the Haka, being right in their faces? Talk about being extra close. It didn't come to blows thankfully but it could have, and I wasn't really that impressed with what the Aussies did. They want to stand together, great, they want to walk great but don't get right in someone's face and smirk like an idiot!

The fine's stupid personally but the IRB has never said I don't think teams can't have their own way of dealing with the haka at all, they just want the teams to keep their distance. So I do understand why they've fined them, but for just accidentally over stepping or so called breaking the rules is crazy coz I don't think they meant to do it on purpose.

But anyway, as I heard one of the French players say, there's no point dragging up negative stuff and we should just focus on the positives of the game.
 

aqua_duck

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You do realise that the England team ALSO got fined for mouthguard infringements.. and several other teams got other fines as well.. the difference is they didnt complain, they just got on with the tournament... and there were no fines for any writing on the wristbands...

the truth isnt of great importance to alot of people
 

shiznit

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i heard a few people at my office upset that the french disrespected the Haka.

it couldnt be further from the truth...

The french actually faced the Haka correctly... i watched the game with a couple of family members who are Kapa Haka freaks... they were certain that the french were given cultural advice... because that V shape they formed in is actually how your supposed to face it. theres actually a name for it... i was far too drunk to remember what the name was when they told me.

ill find out what it is and post it on here...
 

Danish

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Surely having people of little or no maori heritage performing the haka is more disrespectful than having the people being challenged walk towards it?
 

Thomas

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I've got no issues if the other team wants to come up with something to bring them together in accepting the challenge that's fine, in fact I do think it is great.

However the Haka is one of the great traditions in sport and it should be respected. Whether spectators like it or not it is something very special to see and to hear, especially live. Any team who disrespects it in some way, my feeling is they aren't worthy opponents.

However the IRB does expect teams to keep their distance and that is understandable, you don't want something ugly to happen even before the game starts right? What about what the Kangaroos did when they played the Kiwis in Brisbane during the Haka, being right in their faces? Talk about being extra close. It didn't come to blows thankfully but it could have, and I wasn't really that impressed with what the Aussies did. They want to stand together, great, they want to walk great but don't get right in someone's face and smirk like an idiot!

The fine's stupid personally but the IRB has never said I don't think teams can't have their own way of dealing with the haka at all, they just want the teams to keep their distance. So I do understand why they've fined them, but for just accidentally over stepping or so called breaking the rules is crazy coz I don't think they meant to do it on purpose.

But anyway, as I heard one of the French players say, there's no point dragging up negative stuff and we should just focus on the positives of the game.


f**k off. The haka is a challenge. You challenge someone then you should expect to get challenged back. The whole idea of a team having to just stand there and watch while a bunch of blokes do a quaint little dance is absurd. Keep the haka by all means but let teams do what they want within reason.

Anyway, I enjoyed this version of the haka more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emJyEa4z2Ec

1973 All Blacks vs Barbarians. It looks like a slightly angry version of the hokey-pokey...
 
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shiznit

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Surely having people of little or no maori heritage performing the haka is more disrespectful than having the people being challenged walk towards it?
not at all...

so long as they treat it with respect by performing it correctly than anyone can do it.
 

shiznit

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f**k off. The haka is a challenge. You challenge someone then you should expect to get challenged back. The whole idea of a team having to just stand there and watch while a bunch of blokes do a quaint little dance is absurd. Keep the haka by all means but let teams do what they want within reason.
agree 100%...

however the halfway line rule is to prevent fight's from happening...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhyxfmoSxOA
 
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Iafeta

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Surely having people of little or no maori heritage performing the haka is more disrespectful than having the people being challenged walk towards it?

Not the case. We're brought up in school learning a lot about Maori culture these days... which is great. Its getting quite well integrated in my experience.

Also, have no problems with what the French did. They certainly shouldn't be fined. I find that decision laughable and if anything culturally disrespectful.
 

Mr Angry

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i dont blame the kiwis, still what a joke.

I heard the French, thier boys are reporting to the IRB for a game with the 'masters'.

Just saw the vision again, they barely stepped over, mics, camera man had plenty.

The elbow patches are happy with this.

BTW who was Nonu pointing at? He was on one dude.
 

griffo346

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If there was respect for the HAKA why does everyone perform it and not just leave it for the sporting feild ..... why do the crowds always perferm it
 

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