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perverse

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Religion plays a part in how one feels about love. it's relevant, imo.

well.. last page it was...
 

Springs

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ok, for starters you are wrong, as the discussion of a god is a religious philosophy by it's own nature. the idea of a supreme being is a religious concept. if you believe in any sort of god, you are religious to a point. HOWEVER... i think what you are talking about is Deism - the belief that a creator existed, but without all the supernatural religious mumbo jumbo attached.

the problem i have with Deism is that, by definition, there is nothing you can experience, or observe that would ever confirm nor deny the existance of a creator (much like standard Theism, at least until the end times anyway). furthermore - with Deism it doesn't even matter if there is or is not a creator... he created and left us here. believing it exists is null and pointless, because it's not watching and doesn't give a shit about what we're doing.

another criticism i have of Deism is that it only exists to answer a single mystery - how it all began. belief in Deism is absolutely useless and non-productive. every Deist would be far better served trying to answer that question with observation and science, rather than an unprovable, untestable hypothesis that has absolutely no impact on anything.

so my irk with that point of view is purely that it's useless. you believe that there's a creator but not in any of the supernatural stuff that usually comes with it. what's the point? why not just believe that the universe started through a provable, scientific process - because there is far more observable evidence to suggest that than anything else.

of course, if you believe that there's any sort of heaven or anything, then you very quickly roll back into the completely fabricated religion zone. you can't have it both (or more) ways.

Yes you can. I am an atheist but I don't necessarily believe everything about the big bang or evolution. People follow religious customs without believing in god, and people can believe in god without following all the religious customs. It might be useless but their allowed to do it. People have their own beliefs, it doesn't have to fit into any special category or label.
 

perverse

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Yes you can. I am an atheist but I don't necessarily believe everything about the big bang or evolution. People follow religious customs without believing in god, and people can believe in god without following all the religious customs. It might be useless but their allowed to do it. People have their own beliefs, it doesn't have to fit into any special category or label.
so you're saying you can mix and match your own reality based on what you want to be fact, not on what actually is fact?

you don't believe everything about the big bang theory and evolution? what do you base your disagreement with certain parts on? your own lack of understanding would be my first guess.

if people want to live in that sort of dreamland then i suppose that is their prerogative. that won't stop me from commenting on the ridiculousness of it. refer to gUt's post in the God thread if you want my thoughts on everything you've said, he summed it up perfectly. absurd. ridiculous. petulent. non-productive. "it's my belief! i'm allowed to believe it!". you know, they lock people in padded rooms for believing things that aren't real, unless of course it's a religion.
 
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Springs

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as an athiest i absolutely believe in love. it's an emotion that we've evolved to better ensure the survival of the species (just as most things are). lust gets you so far - it gets you as far as popping out babies... but love, love brings you protection of the family/herd/whatever, it brings you nurturing. it also feels good. i have nothing against love whatsoever.

I believe in this exactly.
 
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